UK: Former Stonewall campaigner Wes Streeting elected as Labour MP

  • metta

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    May 08, 2015 4:51 AM GMT
    Former Stonewall campaigner Wes Streeting elected as MP


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/08/former-stonewall-campaigner-wes-streeting-elected-as-mp/
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    May 08, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    Nice to see that the Tories won big time, and completely confounded the pollsters' predictions. Sound familiar? It will again in November 2016.

    Lagniappe: Self-styled Socialist Bernie Sanders' brother being trounced in his bid for a seat at Westminster. And, another loss for roving campaign mismanager/dirty trickster David Axelrod. Tea and crumpets, anyone?
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    May 08, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    ^
    You do realize the Tories are way to the left of the GOP on the political spectrum, don't you? Can you see a GOP president (bear with me, this is hypothetical) or GOP majority leader in Congress proposing a same-sex marriage bill, let alone getting it enacted as law?

    Oh, and guess who the Tories hired for their campaign team? None other than Obama campaign chief, Jim Messina.

    Nice to see you leaning to the left though.

    British Conservatives: Not Very Conservative By U.S. Standards
    "The truth is that despite headline differences on stimulus spending, in several respects, including social attitudes, many British Tories do feel more in common with Democrats than with the G.O.P."
    http://world.time.com/2012/10/10/british-conservatives-not-very-conservative-by-u-s-standards


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    May 08, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
    Having majored in English constitutional history and being a lifelong Anglophile, I sure do, ExMil. The only platform items of the Tories I disagree with are their opposition to capital punishment and support for minimum wage increases; their support for gay marriage, recognition of climate change, and support for increases in Britain's National Health Service - cf. the joke that is Obamacare - are all entirely agreeable to me. But yes, Lady Thatcher gets my vote as the preeminent politicienne of my lifetime.
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    May 08, 2015 9:12 PM GMT
    A Democrat by any other name would smell as sweet.
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    May 08, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidA Democrat by any other name would smell as sweet.


    As long as it's not a Southern one, I presume? It always cracks me up how the left is quick to distinguish Southern Democrats from other ones, but refuses to distinguish, say, a Rockefeller GOPer from the Lumpen-GOPers they despise.
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    May 08, 2015 10:16 PM GMT
    ^^

    you're dating yourself, Southern Democrats died off about the same time that idiot Reagan did, thank god

    and the Rockefeller Republicans died off with George Romney (yeah, his daddy) and Arlen Specter
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    May 08, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
    The Conservatives didn`t win big time in 2015. Blair did in 1997, though.
    It`s a tiny majority, based on a minority vote in the country. Probably two thirds of those who bothered to vote went against the conservatives. And that`s not counting all those who couldn`t be bothered to vote. Cameron has the active support of a small minority of the electorate.
    But minority government is the rule under our 'first past the post' system. No government in the UK since 1945 has ever had a majority of the votes, just seats in parliament.
    Contrast that with UKIP. Something like four million votes in the country(about thirteen percent of all votes) and only one M.P. in the House of Commons!
    The SNP(about five percent of all votes and fifty six M.P.s) can thank Thatcher for stimulating their rise to power!
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    May 08, 2015 10:56 PM GMT
    David Cameron wouldn't even be allowed into a Republican club meeting, let alone be a leader. Republicans are not anywhere close to being in the position as the Conservative Party in the UK, both countries have different issues and different ideology.
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    May 08, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidDavid Cameron wouldn't even be allowed into a Republican club meeting, let alone be a leader. Republicans are not anywhere close to being in the position as the Conservative Party in the UK, both countries have different issues and different ideology.

    True. By the overheated standards of the US Cameron would be seen as a liberal.
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    May 08, 2015 11:27 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    you're dating yourself, Southern Democrats died off about the same time that idiot Reagan did, thank god

    and the Rockefeller Republicans died off with George Romney (yeah, his daddy) and Arlen Specter


    Gee, and all this time the left has been saying that the Southern Demos became the basis of the post-Nixon GOP. icon_rolleyes.gif

    All this talk about dating one's self and dying; there's dishonor in neither, as those who've lived honorable, productive lives come to know. To wit: RIP, President Reagan. As for that Republi-crat Arlen Specter, not so much; in fact, not at all.
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    May 08, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidThe Conservatives didn`t win big time in 2015. Blair did in 1997, though.
    It`s a tiny majority, based on a minority vote in the country. Probably two thirds of those who bothered to vote went against the conservatives. And that`s not counting all those who couldn`t be bothered to vote. Cameron has the active support of a small minority of the electorate.
    But minority government is the rule under our 'first past the post' system. No government in the UK since 1945 has ever had a majority of the votes, just seats in parliament.
    Contrast that with UKIP. Something like four million votes in the country(about thirteen percent of all votes) and only one M.P. in the House of Commons!
    The SNP(about five percent of all votes and fifty six M.P.s) can thank Thatcher for stimulating their rise to power!


    Yeah, right; what do the actual returns matter?

    Fun fact: this is the Conservatives' biggest win since 1992. We all remember who won that one, don't we? Hint: she was a Lady, not a mere woman.

    You can return to The Guardian's editorial pages now. Or, if you're really keen on a thrill, you should be able to catch PBS' Evening News for a real spin on the returns.
  • Lincsbear

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    May 13, 2015 10:04 PM GMT
    Whether you look at number of seats or share of the vote, Cameron`s 'victory' was about as weak and indecisive as it gets.
    I look at percentage share of the vote, changes, etc., not simple seats in parliament, since it`s history is so full of inconsistencies and so distorting of the show of public sentiment and choices. Ironically, because of this system, the last place to get the message of the public is so often the House of Commons!
    Cameron has a smaller majority than Major in 1992(and about three million less votes, too), and even that was called tiny then! He has the support of one in four voters. The best than can be said of him is his party is simply the largest in the House of Commons.