'Thugs'

  • metta

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    May 08, 2015 6:16 PM GMT




    hmm...I have never used that word but I have never thought of it as being a racist word. I need to pay more attention to how it is being used by the people that are using it.

    I think of a 'thug' as being someone that is a bully, mafia member. A term often used in the 1920's, 1930's. Some people obviously feel that it is being used in a racist way today.

    Well, I'm not going to start using it now.


    Thug: a violent criminal

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug
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    May 08, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    I will continue to "call a spade a spade, a fig a fig," the urgings of MSNBC's Newspeakers notwithstanding.
  • tj85016

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    May 08, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    lol more PC bullshit from metta
  • bobbobbob

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    May 09, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    For the PC Police...

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    May 09, 2015 11:48 PM GMT
    ProgressionNProgress saidThis has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How in the world did black people start taking an adjective like "thug" as a racist thing. Last I checked you have to be a thug to get called a thug. Oh the society we live in. Haha I just can't anymore.


    I wouldn't be at all surprised if it wasn't black people who trumped up "thug" as racist, but just another case of guilty white folks looking for new ways to salve their consciences on the cheap - i.e., at others' expense w/o seriously examining them - who did so. A little media/usage research should shed light on how, when, and by whom it was saddled with this interpretation.
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    May 10, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    Fuck that shit. I'm sick of random fucktards telling me which words I can and cannot use. You know how many times a law abiding citizen has been called a thug? ZERO. We all know what the word means and it has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. If you don't like being called a thug, stop acting like one. They would rather control our language than change their violent behavior. STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID. I'm going to use it every chance I get now. icon_mad.gif
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    May 10, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    There are people who use it for people are not really criminals. After Obama won the election, there were people calling him a thug for no apparent reason, which was totally ridiculous. Not everyone uses the word to refer to actual criminals, just read comment sections on any news website and you'll see that is true.

    And I've seen some people complain about the phrase "Rethuglican", so let's not act like this complaining is necessarily one-sided.
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    May 10, 2015 2:25 AM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidThere are people who use it for people are not really criminals. After Obama won the election, there were people calling him a thug for no apparent reason, which was totally ridiculous. Not everyone uses the word to refer to actual criminals, just read comment sections on any news website and you'll see that is true.

    And I've seen some people complain about the phrase "Rethuglican", so let's not act like this complaining is necessarily one-sided.


    Okay, let's say you're correct. What word will people start using to take it's place? And which word will be banned next? Every time you try to censor people, they will find a way around it. And with this comes resentment and rage which further compounds the problem.
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    May 10, 2015 5:18 AM GMT
    Radd said
    James_Thunder_Early saidThere are people who use it for people are not really criminals. After Obama won the election, there were people calling him a thug for no apparent reason, which was totally ridiculous. Not everyone uses the word to refer to actual criminals, just read comment sections on any news website and you'll see that is true.

    And I've seen some people complain about the phrase "Rethuglican", so let's not act like this complaining is necessarily one-sided.


    Okay, let's say you're correct. What word will people start using to take it's place? And which word will be banned next? Every time you try to censor people, they will find a way around it. And with this comes resentment and rage which further compounds the problem.

    The thing is no word should take place. Once you start using certain words to demean some particular group of people, it does become a derogatory word. How do you think words like rice, curry etc in context with Asians got a negative connotation? Yeah, racist people are going to find ways to go around that. That's why they should be called out to show that they are being racist. You don't stop controlling a disease because you know there would be some new disease popping up soon.
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    May 10, 2015 6:05 AM GMT
    political correctness: how people with crystal fragile hearts talk to each other.
  • Antarktis

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    May 10, 2015 1:03 PM GMT
    The one I don't get is,"getting your hustle on.". Last time I. Checked a hustler was a prostitute.
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    May 10, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
    There are 2 things going on here.

    1. The definition of the word "thug", which everyone knows isn't racist at all. This is not the argument.
    2. The application and patterns of use of the word "thug"... this is where the racial bias debate comes in.

    I will say that if the shoe fits, wear it. But I will also say that perception is often much scarier for non-thugs who look like me.
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    May 10, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
    I'll sum it up real quick for those that dont 'get it'. The problem people have with the word thug is when and why it's used. In media, not saying you the reader specifically, but in media the word thug is often used only when referring to or describing a black male.
    You may be insensitive to it because you don't notice it or understand the impacts it can have. Yes it's just a word but words are power hence the no bullying campaign about calling things gay. Obviously it bothers somebody.
    You would be hard pressed to find media references that refer to white criminals or anybody white as thug in modern media. Just as the word urban is now used to describe a predomantly black or minority neighborhooD or anything black basically. I notice this because I studied media and I know for fact how much subliminals are in media that effect your subconscious. Even colors used in campaigns have specific meanings, like red being used at every fast food place in their logo. The problem is that using hot words distorts perception and characterizes all black males as thugs and creates subconscious prejudices whether you know it or not. This is why police are statistically more prone to shoot a young black male vs any other race.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 10, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    The_Perfect_Ashlar saidI'll sum it up real quick for those that dont 'get it'. The problem people have with the word thug is when and why it's used. In media, not saying you the reader specifically,

    We "get it" better than you think. What you're missing is that the word thug when applied to blacks or whites is for the most part done so within the broader definition of the word itself and not as a racial epithet. The word existed long before many blacks embraced the use of the word "thug' the same way their white counterparts have embraced the word redneck.

    The_Perfect_Ashlar said but in media the word thug is often used only when referring to or describing a black male.

    In the media the word 'thug' is applied to men black or white, who break laws, robbing, shooting, killing, It is not applied to men. black or white who don't. It's also used against white men by black men OR liberal whites... Obama has referred to House Republicans as thugs. So did Harry Reid. So have others. I've never heard the word thug used in reference to any young man of any color except the those who embrace and live the "thug" image that has been created in the counter culture. To be called a thug you have to wake up early and get a head start acting and living like one.

    Tell anyone whose feelings have been hurt if they don't want to be called a thug it's Real simple. Stop acting and living like a thug. Don't take my word for it as a white guy. Take Al Sharpton's word. He spelled it out about the way blacks themselves are fucked up for embracing "thug culture."

    http://www.themonastery.org/blog/2010/09/rev-al-sharpton-blasts-thug-culture/

    The_Perfect_Ashlar said You may be insensitive to it because you don't notice it or understand the impacts it can have.

    I bet it's never entered your mind that you and others are being too sensitive, eh? The problem is always the other people, right?

    The_Perfect_Ashlar said Yes it's just a word but words are power hence the no bullying campaign about calling things gay. Obviously it bothers somebody.

    We live in a place called the real world. If you think you are in a place where no one gets bothered by something in day to day life then you're living in a fantasy. If the word "thug' hurts some thug's feelings when he's called a thug, then he needs to do something about whatever he's doing to warrant being called a thug - not trying to rearrange the dictionary just to suit everyone's whiney ass.

    The_Perfect_Ashlar said You would be hard pressed to find media references that refer to white criminals or anybody white as thug in modern media.
    I'm pretty sure the differences in the rates of whites and blacks being called thugs can be correlated with the differences in crime rates between the races, choices in wardrobe, appearance and behavior in public.

    The_Perfect_Ashlar said Just as the word urban is now used to describe a predomantly black or minority neighborhooD or anything black basically.
    Using your logic, let's take out all words that are used to groups that are predominantly blacks. Start with the word 'Democrat' and knock yourself out. You don't see how fucking stupid all this fucking with words is, do you? All you are doing is screwing with the labels and doing nothing at all about the reason the label exists.. Totally stupid, embarrassingly stupid.
  • TroyAthlete

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    May 10, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
    PC is a made-up term signifying nothing. When people whine and cry about "PC" what they're really saying is "I'm an immature, tacky, crass, tactless, self-absorbed asshat who thinks I should be able to say and do whatever I want, whenever I want, to whomever I want without facing any criticism." Five year olds also think this way -- adults know better. In the real world, yes, you are free to behave that way. And you are also free to face criticism and consequences for the same. Gentlemen don't complain about "PC" because gentlemen think before they speak and recognize that their words and deeds have an effect on others. Nobody had to teach me to be "PC", it's called manners. It's not surprising that in modern culture -- where ill-mannered grown men whine like little girls when called out for boorish, selfish speech and behaviors -- so many right wingers don't get it.

    Everybody knows the connotation behind most right wing use of the word thug, which they reserve for black people but never to the thugs with whom they sympathize -- like thug cop terrorists who give good cops a bad name or Rethuglicans trying to start a war win Iran and deny gays equal rights. I would never try to stop them from using it; the Rethuglican Party will be dead in a generation as its already shrinking to washed-up bigoted geriatrics, let conservatives continue to hang themselves.
  • TheBaise

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    May 10, 2015 8:55 PM GMT
    Oh Jesus Christ, Ru-Paul! Give it a rest! Dude, let it die down. The OP's post shows us what a frickin' THUG is. Man / the word could be speaking of any body who is a violent criminal. White, yellow, blue, green, black, brown, you name it!
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    May 11, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
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    Radd said
    James_Thunder_Early saidThere are people who use it for people are not really criminals. After Obama won the election, there were people calling him a thug for no apparent reason, which was totally ridiculous. Not everyone uses the word to refer to actual criminals, just read comment sections on any news website and you'll see that is true.

    And I've seen some people complain about the phrase "Rethuglican", so let's not act like this complaining is necessarily one-sided.


    Okay, let's say you're correct. What word will people start using to take it's place? And which word will be banned next? Every time you try to censor people, they will find a way around it. And with this comes resentment and rage which further compounds the problem.

    The thing is no word should take place. Once you start using certain words to demean some particular group of people, it does become a derogatory word. How do you think words like rice, curry etc in context with Asians got a negative connotation? Yeah, racist people are going to find ways to go around that. That's why they should be called out to show that they are being racist. You don't stop controlling a disease because you know there would be some new disease popping up soon.


    You cannot compare "thug" to calling someone a "rice" boy or "curry." "Thug" is even in the dictionary because it's been around for a very very long time. It has a definite meaning which has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. "Rice" is a new slang term that is extremely derogatory to Asians and "Curry" is meant to insult Indians. They have everything to do with skin color. Please stop comparing apples to oranges.
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    May 11, 2015 1:29 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidPC is a made-up term signifying nothing. When people whine and cry about "PC" what they're really saying is "I'm an immature, tacky, crass, tactless, self-absorbed asshat who thinks I should be able to say and do whatever I want, whenever I want, to whomever I want without facing any criticism." Five year olds also think this way -- adults know better. In the real world, yes, you are free to behave that way. And you are also free to face criticism and consequences for the same. Gentlemen don't complain about "PC" because gentlemen think before they speak and recognize that their words and deeds have an effect on others. Nobody had to teach me to be "PC", it's called manners. It's not surprising that in modern culture -- where ill-mannered grown men whine like little girls when called out for boorish, selfish speech and behaviors -- so many right wingers don't get it.

    Everybody knows the connotation behind most right wing use of the word thug, which they reserve for black people but never to the thugs with whom they sympathize -- like thug cop terrorists who give good cops a bad name or Rethuglicans trying to start a war win Iran and deny gays equal rights. I would never try to stop them from using it; the Rethuglican Party will be dead in a generation as its already shrinking to washed-up bigoted geriatrics, let conservatives continue to hang themselves.


    That's exactly the point. There are so many people out there who believe that free speech means that everyone is obligated to agree with their opinions, offer them praise and not criticize them.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 11, 2015 2:15 AM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early said

    That's exactly the point. There are so many people out there who believe that free speech means that everyone is obligated to agree with their opinions, offer them praise and not criticize them.


    ^^^^^^^^^^^ TRUE!
    .... and... they throw screaming heel kicking temper tantrums like spoiled three year old brats every time they don't get what they want.
  • ai82

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    May 11, 2015 4:00 AM GMT
    [quote]I'll sum it up real quick for those that dont 'get it'. The problem people have with the word thug is when and why it's used. In media, not saying you the reader specifically, but in media the word thug is often used only when referring to or describing a black male.
    You may be insensitive to it because you don't notice it or understand the impacts it can have. Yes it's just a word but words are power hence the no bullying campaign about calling things gay. Obviously it bothers somebody.
    You would be hard pressed to find media references that refer to white criminals or anybody white as thug in modern media. Just as the word urban is now used to describe a predomantly black or minority neighborhooD or anything black basically. I notice this because I studied media and I know for fact how much subliminals are in media that effect your subconscious. Even colors used in campaigns have specific meanings, like red being used at every fast food place in their logo. The problem is that using hot words distorts perception and characterizes all black males as thugs and creates subconscious prejudices whether you know it or not. This is why police are statistically more prone to shoot a young black male vs any other race. [/quote]

    +1

    Words have power. The words that we use reinforce our stereotypes. Vandalism occurs everywhere, in all types of communities. Why is it that these individuals called thugs? Why not vandals? Because of their race, because it dehumanizes them, because you view them as wild animals. If they were brother, sister, son or daughter I doubt you would call them a thug. Might they be misguided protesters?

    Have you ever done something "not right"? When I was young I did things that I know I should not have done. Would that be immature, childish, or thuggish? As kids or even young adults people damage other peoples property. They are'nt called thugs. Call a spade a spade. If you close your eyes and create an image of a graffiti artist, what do you see? A surgeon? A father? A thug? You see a black person, even as a black person I see a black person. Don't kid yourselves, using the word thug denigrates and isolates.