I AM JEALOUS OF WOMEN. ARE YOU?

  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    I am already anticipating being called a typical self loathing homo by several of youq...so go right ahead.

    I recently had this discussion with a few female friends, along with my sisters. I've concluded that I am absolutely envious/jealous towards heterosexual women, because of the access they have to love and affection. the power they have over men. the fact that that they have 90% of the male population to choose from while I only have 10% or less.

    I'm starting to beileve it's a curse to be a gay man. we are so demeaned, belittled, and laughed at by most of society. even non-homophobic people still treat us differently. the vast majority of us are emotionally crippled, because of the heteronormative/homophobic society we are forced to growp up in.
    I feel a deep sense of sadness and jealousy when I see straight girls with their cute boyfriends, having dinner at a restaurant, at the movies together, or walking hand in hand around the mall. seeing how protective the man usually is with her. maybe I feel this way because even though I have a mans body, I have a woman's desires. but since I am in a man's body, I will never experience what straight women experience in the dating/relationship/courtship side of life. gay men don't really court each other in the same fashion that straight men court women. which is why so many of us are single, doomed to a life of casual hookups until we are not even attractive and young enuff for THAT.

    another thing that pisses me off is how much more attractive and masculine straight men are compared to most gay men. it is an ABSOLUTE MYTH that gay men are better looking. whenever I look at my sisters dating profile I see TONS of attractive manly men. when I get on my gay apps/sites, most of the guys look like Perez Hilton or Elton John. the few masculine good looking men I do see are concieted cocky assholes. they are simply too aware of their appeal. ugh! am I alone in this? who else feels this way?

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    May 11, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
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    I'm starting to beileve it's a curse to be a gay man. we are so demeaned, belittled, and laughed at by most of society. even non-homophobic people still treat us differently. the vast majority of us are emotionally crippled, because of the heteronormative/homophobic society we are forced to growp up in.

    I feel a deep sense of sadness and jealousy when I see straight girls with their cute boyfriends, having dinner at a restaurant, at the movies together, or walking hand in hand around the mall. seeing how protective the man usually is with her. maybe I feel this way because even though I have a mans body, I have a woman's desires. but since I am in a man's body, I will never experience what straight women experience in the dating/relationship/courtship side of life. gay men don't really court each other in the same fashion that straight men court women. which is why so many of us are single, doomed to a life of casual hookups until we are not even attractive and young enuff for THAT.

    ...am I alone in this? who else feels this way?

    Methinks thou dost think too much.

    I've been on both teams, due to ignorance and internal denial. For me finally coming out a gay man has been the blessing, and it was living straight that was my own curse.

    All the things you want can be found as a gay man. I was courted by a gay man, who formally proposed to me on bended knee with an engagement ring. I'll match that with any straight woman. Along with all the dinners & movies, plus fun & exciting stuff that straight guys & girls seldom do together.

    No, I've lacked for nothing as a gay man. On the contrary, I've benefited. You merely learn to know how, and to cease over-analyzing some stereotypes you've become focused upon. Your model is flawed.
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    May 11, 2015 2:02 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I've been on both teams, due to ignorance and internal denial.


    Uh, no. You've stated many, many times in the past that you "just didn't know" that you were gay until you reached your mid 40s. When I stated you were in denial, you emphatically disagreed and said that no, you just "didn't know" that you were gay!

    Ah, my stalker, always vulturing my posts, waiting to strike.

    Well, stalker, I've often said I was in denial. What I've said I wasn't was closeted.

    Denial meaning I really didn't know, I blocked it out, rationalized it away. Genuinely thought I was straight. And indeed there was every indicator for that in my mind.

    My generation thought queers & homos (we didn't say gay) were sissies who liked to wear women's clothing, had limp wrists and spoke with a lisp. Laughable stereotype today, but that was the prevailing image 50 years ago.

    Not being any of those things, and even more, being a motorcyclist, hunter, fisherman, camper, later starting a military career, how could I be gay?

    So that's the denial I'm talking about, not the closet condition that you mean. Closet being when you do know you're gay but pretend you're straight, refuse to come out. I pretended nothing. I believed I really was straight.

    So take your own straight hatred for gays and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Straight disruptors on this sight are just one of the things gays must put up with. Like straights who yell "faggot" out of cars as they pass by. This was your "faggot" yell.

    And naturally, in so doing, tried to derail a gay guy's request for help & advice. Your typical pattern here. And right now likely going through your index of my posts that you keep, rather dementedly, to find any that contradict this post. I'm sure you'll find one, if taken out of context & misrepresented, of which you are a master.
  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 4:01 AM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 saidNo Im not because my GAY closeted husband will dump my ass for.a young latino or asian guy when I start having my menopause symptoms sending me to.a psychriatric hospital for my bipolar disorder treatment or when he turns 50 he will ask me the divorce to finally live his life as openly gay man but how would you think a straight woman will react if her husband is a trans woman?

    I like being a gay man at the end of the day I can have any man I want without all this drama of being used by MEN


    are u kidding me, women use men just a much, if not more. don't forget they can get child support and spousal support. women have a very powerful influence over men. gay men use each other alot and we easily discard one another bcuz we DONT have to worry about knocking someone up, or being stuck with child support payments.
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    May 11, 2015 4:15 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Anyone who stupidly believes they are entitled to have power over the opposite gender is a control freak and is to be avoided.

    An excellent view. That also applies to same-sex relationships among gays & lesbians.

    I see some examples of it, but actually not too much, more the exception. My concept of an ideal relationship is when both partners are equally empowered, where neither has power over the other.
  • beaujangle

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    May 11, 2015 4:17 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]supreme_fit said[/cite]I am already anticipating being called a typical self loathing homo by several of youq...so go right ahead.

    I recently had this discussion with a few female friends, along with my sisters. I've concluded that I am absolutely envious/jealous towards heterosexual women, because of the access they have to love and affection. the power they have over men. the fact that that they have 90% of the male population to choose from while I only have 10% or less.

    I'm starting to beileve it's a curse to be a gay man. we are so demeaned, belittled, and laughed at by most of society. even non-homophobic people still treat us differently. the vast majority of us are emotionally crippled, because of the heteronormative/homophobic society we are forced to growp up in.
    I feel a deep sense of sadness and jealousy when I see straight girls with their cute boyfriends, having dinner at a restaurant, at the movies together, or walking hand in hand around the mall. seeing how protective the man usually is with her. maybe I feel this way because even though I have a mans body, I have a woman's desires. but since I am in a man's body, I will never experience what straight women experience in the dating/relationship/courtship side of life. gay men don't really court each other in the same fashion that straight men court women. which is why so many of us are single, doomed to a life of casual hookups until we are not even attractive and young enuff for THAT.

    another thing that pisses me off is how much more attractive and masculine straight men are compared to most gay men. it is an ABSOLUTE MYTH that gay men are better looking. whenever I look at my sisters dating profile I see TONS of attractive manly men. when I get on my gay apps/sites, most of the guys look like Perez Hilton or Elton John. the few masculine good looking men I do see are concieted cocky assholes. they are simply too aware of their appeal. ugh! am I alone in this? who else feels this way?


    I would say this: as a generalisation, I agree with you about your observations. But challenges do make a person stronger; it certainly builds character. In the initial stage, heterosexuals have it much easier but then when they marry, etc, they have a lot of responsibilities eg motherhood, etc. I'm not sure if 'they live happily ever after' ...

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    May 11, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
    No. I don't think it's the gender that has the issues, it's just you. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 11, 2015 6:03 AM GMT
    Uh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.
  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 6:43 AM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.


    legit meaning what? and I am definitely not alone with my observation. if u could have straight men desire and court u (the same way they do with women) instead of dealing with gay male bullshitt, u probably would. if u could have the same options & choices that straight women have, u likely would. so yeah, try again.
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    May 11, 2015 8:17 AM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.

    Can we say troll?
  • secondstartot...

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    May 11, 2015 8:27 AM GMT
    no I am not... I am not a woman I am not a straight man ...I am a gay man and I have no interest in men who fuck women ...I like men who fuck men ...10% of the worlds population is still a vast sum of people ...plenty to chose from
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    May 11, 2015 10:21 AM GMT
    Nah that whole bleeding once a month thing, and pushing out bowling ball sized babies out of my hoohaa is not for me
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    May 11, 2015 12:31 PM GMT
    never have been, never will be.
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    May 11, 2015 12:46 PM GMT
    I used to feel that way. Not just women specifically, but hetero men as well.
    But then I realized that I was just jealous of their privilege. The privilege of being hetero in hetero normative world. Ok so I don't have that. But that doesn't mean I'm doing worse than them. I count my blessing. Everything that I have. And I realize, I'm alright. I'm healthy. I have everything that I need. Family who loves me. Excellent education from the best universities. Do you know there are people out there who lives less privileged life than we do?
    If I think about that, I realize how lucky I am.
    That's what my parents keep telling me. Count your blessing. After that, I realize that not having a handsome hunky guy will not bring me down.
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    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.

    Can we say troll?

    Gladly - troll

    Certainly the pattern for one, as James_Thunder_Early astutely noted. Join a gay site, with an empty profile and a nothing pic, and with your first post jump right into a touchy topic, effectively bashing gay men, and demoralizing us?

    "...it is an ABSOLUTE MYTH that gay men are better looking. whenever I look at my sisters dating profile I see TONS of attractive manly men. when I get on my gay apps/sites, most of the guys look like Perez Hilton or Elton John. the few masculine good looking men I do see are concieted [SIC] cocky assholes. they are simply too aware of their appeal. ugh! am I alone in this? who else feels this way?"


    Either this guy is seriously self-consumed with himself, or he's yet another Disruptor, sent here by the Dark Forces of US Conservatism & Christian Fundamentalism.
  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 5:53 PM GMT
    ProgressionNProgress said
    Art_Deco said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Anyone who stupidly believes they are entitled to have power over the opposite gender is a control freak and is to be avoided.

    An excellent view. That also applies to same-sex relationships among gays & lesbians.

    I see some examples of it, but actually not too much, more the exception. My concept of an ideal relationship is when both partners are equally empowered, where neither has power over the other.


    I don't think he means power in the sense you guys are thinking. I got that he meant, attraction wise. Every guy I've met that has found a girl that he 's attracted to and or then really genuinely likes her, he practically does anything for her. I think that's what he means in the term of power. It's more of a rule of attraction and social engagement type of thing.


    THANK YOU. precisely what I meant. good to see tbat someone in here has a semblance of intelligence and understanding, instead of being quick to call me a troll.
  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    ProgressionNProgress said
    supreme_fit said
    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.


    legit meaning what? and I am definitely not alone with my observation. if u could have straight men desire and court u (the same way they do with women) instead of dealing with gay male bullshitt, u probably would. if u could have the same options & choices that straight women have, u likely would. so yeah, try again.


    ...and you're definitely right, you're not alone. A lot of guys on here will think you want to be treated like a woman but that's not the case. I for one would love to run into a guy that would actually go out of his way for me from time to time, also be protective, and want to be there through good and bad times. As well as reciprocate it back.

    I may have a different view on it but I totally get where you're coming from.

    I have so many typical guy friends who are bros with the guys and then you watch them turn to putty when a nice girl comes along. Then my friends that are girls are hitting me up to discuss what they want to do for the guy.

    You turn and look at your life and think, what the hell haha!


    yes exactly. these dynamics rarely (if at all) exists with gay men. I guess straight men have been brainwashed since they were boys to cater to women, respect them. court them. ect. gay men are taught from a young age that we are abnormal and aren't supposed to like other boys.
  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    HikerSkier said
    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.

    Can we say troll?

    Gladly - troll

    Certainly the pattern for one, as James_Thunder_Early astutely noted. Join a gay site, with an empty profile and a nothing pic, and with your first post jump right into a touchy topic, effectively bashing gay men, and demoralizing us?

    "...it is an ABSOLUTE MYTH that gay men are better looking. whenever I look at my sisters dating profile I see TONS of attractive manly men. when I get on my gay apps/sites, most of the guys look like Perez Hilton or Elton John. the few masculine good looking men I do see are concieted [SIC] cocky assholes. they are simply too aware of their appeal. ugh! am I alone in this? who else feels this way?"


    Either this guy is seriously self-consumed with himself, or he's yet another Disruptor, sent here by the Dark Forces of US Conservatism & Christian Fundamentalism.


    so you're actually telling me that if u walk into a gay bar then a straight bar (filled with only men) and u had a magic wand to switch the gay guys out for the straight ones, you'd choose the gay guys? hahaha. ok
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    May 11, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    First post is an inflammatory one, and his pic can be seen a gazillion times on the internet. -----> http://tinyurl.com/n2cuegd

    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE
  • supreme_fit

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    May 11, 2015 6:04 PM GMT
    ProgressionNProgress said
    supreme_fit said
    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.


    legit meaning what? and I am definitely not alone with my observation. if u could have straight men desire and court u (the same way they do with women) instead of dealing with gay male bullshitt, u probably would. if u could have the same options & choices that straight women have, u likely would. so yeah, try again.


    ...and you're definitely right, you're not alone. A lot of guys on here will think you want to be treated like a woman but that's not the case. I for one would love to run into a guy that would actually go out of his way for me from time to time, also be protective, and want to be there through good and bad times. As well as reciprocate it back.

    I may have a different view on it but I totally get where you're coming from.

    I have so many typical guy friends who are bros with the guys and then you watch them turn to putty when a nice girl comes along. Then my friends that are girls are hitting me up to discuss what they want to do for the guy.

    You turn and look at your life and think, what the hell haha!


    and do u agree that straight men arw typically more attractive and masculine than most gay men? I can walk into any gay club and see mostly queens, Nicki and Beyoncé wannabes twirling about. pear shaped or pencil thin with no ass. then I can walk into a big straight club (mixed crowd) and at least 80% of the dudes are sexy as hell. I swear straight dudes have better asses than most gay bottoms. it tortures me LOL
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    May 11, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    Radd saidFirst post is an inflammatory one, and his pic can be seen a gazillion times on the internet. -----> http://tinyurl.com/n2cuegd

    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE


    go ahead and sidestep the point. everything I wrote in my post is true. I am GAY man who feels this way. whether my pic is real or not has nothing to do with what I feel. it just proves how shallow gay men really care. you're more focused on a pic than what I posted. typical.

    DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL
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    May 11, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    supreme_fit said
    Radd saidFirst post is an inflammatory one, and his pic can be seen a gazillion times on the internet. -----> http://tinyurl.com/n2cuegd

    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE


    go ahead and sidestep the point. everything I wrote in my post is true. I am GAY man who feels this way. whether my pic is real or not has nothing to do with what I feel. it just proves how shallow gay men really care. you're more focused on a pic than what I posted. typical.

    DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL


    I'm not sidestepping anything. Everything about you appears to be a troll. Why not post a REAL pic of yourself instead of something you stole off the internet if you wish to be taken seriously?
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    supreme_fit said
    James_Thunder_Early saidUh, not at all and I think you'll be mostly alone on this one. Judging from the fact that you just signed up yesterday, I'm going to assume that you aren't even legit.


    legit meaning what? and I am definitely not alone with my observation. if u could have straight men desire and court u (the same way they do with women) instead of dealing with gay male bullshitt, u probably would. if u could have the same options & choices that straight women have, u likely would. so yeah, try again.


    Meaning that you are a troll. Although I shouldn't answer the question, I will do it anyway. No, I've never wanted a straight man to court me, that's just stupid. There are plenty of straight women out there who complain about having no options, so it's not really any easier for them to find decent men, either....
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    May 11, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
    supreme_fit said
    Radd saidFirst post is an inflammatory one, and his pic can be seen a gazillion times on the internet. -----> http://tinyurl.com/n2cuegd

    FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE

    go ahead and sidestep the point. everything I wrote in my post is true. I am GAY man who feels this way. whether my pic is real or not has nothing to do with what I feel. it just proves how shallow gay men really care. you're more focused on a pic than what I posted. typical.

    DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL

    OK, this and his posts above settles it for me - verdict: DISRUPTOR & DEMORALIZER.

    And not a very good one, we've had much better. I hope they get their money back. icon_razz.gif
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    May 11, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidAnyone who stupidly believes they are entitled to have power over the opposite gender is a control freak and is to be avoided.


    Yep. OP, you'd be a friggen horrible cunt, it sounds like.