Liberal Kirsten Powers: The Rise of the Intolerant Left

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    May 12, 2015 12:39 AM GMT
    Liberal Kirsten Powers says we are in a new McCarthyist era—and that the Americans quashing free speech are the ones who have typically heralded it. Her new book is:

    “The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/10/inside-the-beltway-kirsten-powers-book-says-libera/
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    May 12, 2015 12:55 AM GMT
    Anyone with their eyes and ears open for the past 20 years has seen this happening. The leftist re-definition of freedom of speech has become "you have the freedom to agree with me or be insulted and called a greedy capitalist racist nazi misogynist hater.

    IF you don't believe it, go back and read some of Art Diva's archived comments. It's a mental disorder.
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    May 12, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
    Like George Bush's infamous statement: "With us or against us". And the Republican "Big Tent" that doesn't have room for Log Cabin Republicans. And the ideological purity tests the Republican Party imposes. Funny, I don't recall Democrats having anything similar.

    No, what this lapsed Liberal Powers is doing is called projection. It is both a known psychological behavior pattern, and also an increasingly common deliberate Right-Wing tactic: accuse your opponent of your own faults.
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    May 12, 2015 1:57 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidAnyone with their eyes and ears open for the past 20 years has seen this happening. The leftist re-definition of freedom of speech has become "you have the freedom to agree with me or be insulted and called a greedy capitalist racist nazi misogynist hater.



    Kind of like the posting up of things like libtards, extremist liberal hens, pics of your Pres as a monkey throwing dung from his ass etc. Like that? Too bad jockfever isn't around for you to asee in action, he was a master at it.

    SB is pretty talented , too, and roadbikerob, although rob tosses the insults at both sides sometimes.
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    May 12, 2015 2:01 AM GMT
    You're in luck bobobob.

    Take a good gander at this, lol!


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    May 12, 2015 2:26 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    bobbobbob saidAnyone with their eyes and ears open for the past 20 years has seen this happening. The leftist re-definition of freedom of speech has become "you have the freedom to agree with me or be insulted and called a greedy capitalist racist nazi misogynist hater.



    Kind of like the posting up of things like libtards, extremist liberal hens, pics of your Pres as a monkey throwing dung from his ass etc. Like that? Too bad jockfever isn't around for you to asee in action, he was a master at it.

    SB is pretty talented , too, and roadbikerob, although rob tosses the insults at both sides sometimes.


    I get a kick anytime someone tries to make a racial issue out of Obama being portrayed as a monkey. Do a search for "George Bush as Chimpanzee" and see shove that issue back up a monkey's butt. It stops being an issue of race and becomes an issue of what goes around comes around.

    For the record, I've never insulted chickens by referring to anyone as 'liberal hens.'

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    May 12, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    People not agreeing with or liking the things you say does not equal intolerance. It's not like Democrats are out passing laws saying that conservatives can be legally discriminated against or anything like that.
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    May 12, 2015 2:25 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidPeople not agreeing with or liking the things you say does not equal intolerance. It's not like Democrats are out passing laws saying that conservatives can be legally discriminated against or anything like that.


    You outlined the basic principle of Freedom of Speech as we know it from the First Amendment. However this is not how many liberals perceive it. In displays of intellectual bigotry, an irrational aversion for ideas which they do not embrace, they resort to mob mentality to silence speakers.

    When was the last time you heard of a protest of a liberal speaker in a city or at a university? Conservatives are nine times more likely to be protested than liberals. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/liberals-over-conservatives-9-1-at-college-commencements/article/2564294
    Condoleeza Rice at Rutgers University
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Condoleezza-Rice-speech-Minnesota-protest/2014/04/16/id/566067/
    Libertarian Jennifer Gratz invited by Libertarians was shouted down at the University of Michigan. NYC police commissioner Ray Kelly at Brown University. Author/philosopher Christina Hoff-Sommers at FSU had faculty and students lined up to shout her down as she attempted to speak. Other notable protests include Karl Rove at the University of Massachusetts, Rand Paul at Howard University. Robert Zoellick at his alma mater, Swarthmore College... moderate Muslims Usama Dakdok, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Zudhi Jasser, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Walid Phares, Raheel Raza, Irshad Manji, as well as LIBERALS Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris for speaking against Islamic fundamentalism.... and all those are just A FEW... for a rebuttal, please compile a list of contemporary liberals who've been subjected to the same thing if you can find any.

    It's intellectual bigotry, pure and simple.

    Do you remember the racist college professor who said... “black college males” are a “problem population,” declaring “black masculinity is THE problem for America’s colleges.” “Deal with your black shit, black people. slavery is a *YALL* thing,” and “Every MLK week I commit myself to not spending a dime with a black person.”

    NO?
    That's because I substituted the 'white' for the word 'black' in statements by Saida Grundy, a black Boston University assistant professor. There was no protest or petition to have her fired for a statement that would have gotten a white counterpart kicked off the campus in one day.
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    May 12, 2015 3:02 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidLike George Bush's infamous statement: "With us or against us". And the Republican "Big Tent" that doesn't have room for Log Cabin Republicans. And the ideological purity tests the Republican Party imposes. Funny, I don't recall Democrats having anything similar.

    No, what this lapsed Liberal Powers is doing is called projection. It is both a known psychological behavior pattern, and also an increasingly common deliberate Right-Wing tactic: accuse your opponent of your own faults.


    Oh Fuk.... now the nasty narcissistic lying fat ass queen is trying to be a wholesale psycho-anal-ist.

    As Realjock's reigning lying bitch, most prolific author of hatred against other obese people and persistent egocentric she needs the spend more time on a psychiatrist's couch than trying to act like one.
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    May 12, 2015 3:11 PM GMT
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    James_Thunder_Early saidPeople not agreeing with or liking the things you say does not equal intolerance. It's not like Democrats are out passing laws saying that conservatives can be legally discriminated against or anything like that.


    You outlined the basic principle of Freedom of Speech as we know it from the First Amendment. However this is not how many liberals perceive it. In displays of intellectual bigotry, an irrational aversion for ideas which they do not embrace, they resort to mob mentality to silence speakers.

    When was the last time you heard of a protest of a liberal speaker in a city or at a university? Conservatives are nine times more likely to be protested than liberals. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/liberals-over-conservatives-9-1-at-college-commencements/article/2564294
    Condoleeza Rice at Rutgers University
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Condoleezza-Rice-speech-Minnesota-protest/2014/04/16/id/566067/
    Libertarian Jennifer Gratz invited by Libertarians was shouted down at the University of Michigan. NYC police commissioner Ray Kelly at Brown University. Author/philosopher Christina Hoff-Sommers at FSU had faculty and students lined up to shout her down as she attempted to speak. Other notable protests include Karl Rove at the University of Massachusetts, Rand Paul at Howard University. Robert Zoellick at his alma mater, Swarthmore College... moderate Muslims Usama Dakdok, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Zudhi Jasser, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Walid Phares, Raheel Raza, Irshad Manji, as well as LIBERALS Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris for speaking against Islamic fundamentalism.... and all those are just A FEW... for a rebuttal, please compile a list of contemporary liberals who've been subjected to the same thing if you can find any.

    It's intellectual bigotry, pure and simple.

    Do you remember the racist college professor who said... “black college males” are a “problem population,” declaring “black masculinity is THE problem for America’s colleges.” “Deal with your black shit, black people. slavery is a *YALL* thing,” and “Every MLK week I commit myself to not spending a dime with a black person.”

    NO?
    That's because I substituted the 'white' for the word 'black' in statements by Saida Grundy, a black Boston University assistant professor. There was no protest or petition to have her fired for a statement that would have gotten a white counterpart kicked off the campus in one day.


    Everything you said proves my point about right-wingers, if you don't unilaterally agree with their positions, it's hate and intolerance. A protest is merely a response to an opinion, and everyone is entitled to a response to an opinion.

    I do remember right-wingers sending threats to pollsters for posting polls that did not favor their candidates in 2012, which is pretty absurd and much worse than a protest.

    Stop trying to be a victim, because you are not. You prove every negative point that is made about right-wingers.
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    May 12, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidLike George Bush's infamous statement: "With us or against us". And the Republican "Big Tent" that doesn't have room for Log Cabin Republicans. And the ideological purity tests the Republican Party imposes. Funny, I don't recall Democrats having anything similar.

    No, what this lapsed Liberal Powers is doing is called projection. It is both a known psychological behavior pattern, and also an increasingly common deliberate Right-Wing tactic: accuse your opponent of your own faults.


    Would that be the same GOP whose CA State GOP issued a charter to LCR of CA earlier this year, as you are well aware given your equally disinformative posts at that time? And spare us the psychobabble: the tactic is straight out of Obama and Hillary's mentor, Saul Alinsky. As for your recollection, well, all those Bloody Marys do add[le] up!
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    May 12, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gay-republican-candidates-100686.html

    quoteForbes has waged a lengthy crusade to convince his colleagues and the National Republican Congressional Committee brass they shouldn’t back some gay candidates. His efforts on Capitol Hill were described to POLITICO by more than a half-dozen sources with direct knowledge of the talks.

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    May 12, 2015 9:25 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early said
    Everything you said proves my point about right-wingers, if you don't unilaterally agree with their positions, it's hate and intolerance. A protest is merely a response to an opinion, and everyone is entitled to a response to an opinion.

    I do remember right-wingers sending threats to pollsters for posting polls that did not favor their candidates in 2012, which is pretty absurd and much worse than a protest.

    Stop trying to be a victim, because you are not. You prove every negative point that is made about right-wingers.


    Please do your best to point out the hate and intolerance I've personally exhibited with my words or that I've illustrated on the people or events I mentioned. And NO, not every form of protest is a response to an opinion. While everyone is entitled to their opinions no one except intellectual bigots resort to shouting people down or having them banned from speaking simply to silence them.

    If you wish to change the subject to threats to pollsters and the like that would be an interesting subject for another thread.

    I'm not playing "a victim." I simply pointed out facts you can't or chose not to refute except by resorting to ad hominems. Be comforted that you are not alone in Realjock with this game plan. It's the fallback strategy for almost every liberal in here. We see it a dozen times a day.
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    May 12, 2015 9:33 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidhttp://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gay-republican-candidates-100686.html

    quoteForbes has waged a lengthy crusade to convince his colleagues and the National Republican Congressional Committee brass they shouldn’t back some gay candidates. His efforts on Capitol Hill were described to POLITICO by more than a half-dozen sources with direct knowledge of the talks.



    Why are you attempting to hijack this thread with an article that has nothing to do with the OP?

    OH! OH! I KNOW!!!!

    To distract from the how bad you blew it on your previous comment?
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    May 12, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Please do your best to point out the hate and intolerance I've personally exhibited with my words or that I've illustrated



    Bob, I just read your early gay experiences. I know you can write intelligently.

    I think Deco is hateful to anyone who disagrees with him.....(science is not his forte).

    BUT this is nuts: "Oh Fuk.... now the nasty narcissistic lying fat ass queen is trying to be a wholesale psycho-anal-ist.

    As Realjock's reigning lying bitch, most prolific author of hatred against other obese people and persistent egocentric she needs the spend more time on a psychiatrist's couch than trying to act like one."
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    May 12, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    "a lifelong liberal and daughter of a feminist who converted to Christianity as an adult and is now a frequent contributor to Fox News.

    She points out that leftist methodology is to simply shut down public debate with the help of a compliant liberal news media and a secular culture — while squawking about tolerance and values.

    “It’s easier for the illiberal left to demonize their opponents and sanctify themselves as higher moral beings that treat differences of opinions respectfully,” Ms. Powers says, noting that the left reserves a “special strain of strident wrath” for Christians.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/10/inside-the-beltway-kirsten-powers-book-says-libera/#ixzz3ZxmZjb5Q
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    Stupid all way across the board.

    Christians are the new minority, right? Please. Even if it were true we protect the right to speak. No laws are on the books to prevent them from doing anything.

    They have lost the game and feel the crunch. It isn't the Christians....they are Right Wing Demigods. They have lost the public debate on Gay Marriage (and several other issues) and are fighting back. Much like the Evangelicals.

    My God, there are many Gay Catholics, Pres, and Episcopalians. She's just lame.
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    May 13, 2015 7:37 PM GMT
    While I don't particularly like Kirsten Powers... and believe she could have written a more persuasive book had she not perpetuated the "christians are being victimized" myth, she did make some valid fact based points that are being obfuscated by leftist criticism in the media and right here on this thread.

    As timmm quoted and I add emphasis below,


    “It’s easier for the illiberal left to demonize their opponents and sanctify themselves as higher moral beings that treat differences of opinions respectfully,”

    He seems to prove her point with this where his added emphasis on another quote attempts to demonize her just as Kirsten said......

    timmm55 said"a lifelong liberal and daughter of a feminist who converted to Christianity as an adult and is now a frequent contributor to Fox News.


    What is it about being a "christian" and a frequent contributor to Fox News" that invalidates anything she said? OH OH !!!! I know! It fits in the well scripted leftist narrative of people they like to demonize and marginalize.

    Logically the facts that she's christian and a frequent contributor to Fox News have no bearing on the truth - or lack of it - in her book.

    Also take into consideration that liberal media is predisposed to cherry pick excerpts from any book that re-enforce the leftist narrative and not mention any that undermine it. The representation the media is giving Power's book is intended to evoke the very types of responses timmm illustrated.

    and of course the conservatives media is just as guilty of it but that isn't the issue here.

    The one thing that is the issue here is that no one on the left can point to anything as evidence that people on the right do as much to suppress freedom of speech of any ideas that don't fit in their narrative as the left does.


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    May 14, 2015 3:31 AM GMT
    What brand of Christianity?

    72% of the population is Christian, 60% of Gays are Christian.

    "Sometimes the mask comes off and what we see is that illiberal feminism is often driven by a base hatred of Christianity,

    Broken down by party, 32 percent of Democrats, 19 percent of independents and only 5 percent of Republicans said they are feminists.

    But asked if they believe that "men and women should be social, political, and economic equals," 82 percent of the survey respondents said they did, and just 9 percent said they did not. Equal percentages of men and women said they agreed with that statement, along with 87 percent of Democrats, 81 percent of independents and 76 percent of Republicans.

    Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines feminism as "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes."

    Feminists are illiberal?

    1.
    opposed to liberal principles; restricting freedom of thought or behavior.

    Here's what happens in Society, in the 1920 the KKK could say that "colored" men would rape white women, and get away with it. In the 50s it was not uncommon to associate homosexuals with pedophiles.
    It isn't because Liberals have changed the terminology, or edited it. She says “It’s easier for the illiberal left to demonize their opponents and sanctify themselves as higher moral beings that treat differences of opinions respectfully,”
    Racism and homophobia are not just a difference of opinion. It is morally wrong. It isn't the Liberals who decided that....it's a cultural norm. And it changes....it's fluid. Arch conservatives hate change unless it goes backward.

    I'm not going to treat either racism or homophobia "respectfully" not now, not ever.

    Her use of illiberal is Orwellian in itself. I'm sure Karl Rove would be proud.




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    May 14, 2015 3:59 AM GMT
    I think you made a typo that changed the entire meaning of a sentence. Five lines up from the bottom, shouldn't the word 'that' be the word 'than'?

    I'll be back later on.
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    May 14, 2015 5:16 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidI think you made a typo that changed the entire meaning of a sentence. Five lines up from the bottom, shouldn't the word 'that' be the word 'than'?

    I'll be back later on.


    My "It isn't the Liberals who decided that....it's a cultural norm."

    They (Liberals) didn't decide that (racism and homophobia in the 2 previous sentences) were no longer socially acceptable. The culture from 1920 to now has changed. Racism and homophobia certainly still exist, but it is not the norm.

    It isn't the Liberals who decided then....it's a cultural norm. That's correct too. Society ultimately decides what is a cultural norm, not liberals or conservatives.
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    May 16, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
    The vocal effort by the left to demonize their opponents, to shut down debate by marginalizing their opponents, to criticize without hearing that person, even boycotting or ostracizing...is not the same thing as legislating discrimination. Nor does it have the backing of a "liberal media," a meme promoted only by right-wing operatives.

    It has the power of persuasion (or lack, depending upon the audience), but it does not violate the First Amendment (or the Fourteenth).

    Free speech is a sword that cuts both ways. Say something stupid and expect to be hammered back.

    I'm reminded by our SCOTUS that money is speech in the United States. When our media are owned by mostly large, multinational corporations with swimming pools full of cash to promote their "free speech," a middle- or lower-class clucking liberal hen doesn't do the same damage as the fox.

    So, let me shut down this stupid debate too, in all of the roaring power of a liberal. Because, ow! words hurt so much! Oh, they sting me! Liberals are intolerant of my stupidity! Boo fucking hoo. Get some fucking perspective, you fucking brown-nosing enablers.

    Oh, wait, is the debate over? Did I win? Did my powerful words shut you down? They didn't? Damn, you almost had me believing that WE LIBERALS had all the power here. Guess not.
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    May 16, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidThe vocal effort by the left to demonize their opponents, to shut down debate by marginalizing their opponents, to criticize without hearing that person, even boycotting or ostracizing...is not the same thing as legislating discrimination. Nor does it have the backing of a "liberal media," a meme promoted only by right-wing operatives.

    It has the power of persuasion (or lack, depending upon the audience), but it does not violate the First Amendment (or the Fourteenth).

    Free speech is a sword that cuts both ways. Say something stupid and expect to be hammered back.

    I'm reminded by our SCOTUS that money is speech in the United States. When our media are owned by mostly large, multinational corporations with swimming pools full of cash to promote their "free speech," a middle- or lower-class clucking liberal hen doesn't do the same damage as the fox.

    So, let me shut down this stupid debate too, in all of the roaring power of a liberal. Because, ow! words hurt so much! Oh, they sting me! Liberals are intolerant of my stupidity! Boo fucking hoo. Get some fucking perspective, you fucking brown-nosing enablers.

    Oh, wait, is the debate over? Did I win? Did my powerful words shut you down? They didn't? Damn, you almost had me believing that WE LIBERALS had all the power here. Guess not.
    No Austin tinker belle this discussion is not shut down. You ultra leftists get all bent out of shape when there is valid, constructive criticism of you loudmouths. You preach tolerance and acceptance but when it is time for you extremist liberal hens to practice what you preach, you all start distorting the truth and howling persecution from both conservatives and independents. None of you leftists can take the shit that you dish out on others. Well guess what bunky, we are throwing that shit back into your face like it or lump it.icon_mad.gif
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    May 17, 2015 10:49 PM GMT
    "You ultra leftists get all bent out of shape when there is valid, constructive criticism of you loudmouths."

    LOL