Jeb Bush Said on Fox News He Would Invade Iraq

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    May 12, 2015 2:51 AM GMT
    NYT: Asked on Fox News (in an interview to be aired tonight) if he would have authorized the invasion of Iraq, knowing what the world now knows, Jeb Bush replied: “I would have.”

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/jeb-bushs-revisionist-history-of-the-iraq-war/?ref=opinionA
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    May 12, 2015 10:22 AM GMT
    Well, it was nice knowing you, Jeb. Thank you for sealing your fate.
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    May 12, 2015 5:33 PM GMT
    He and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.
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    May 12, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?
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    May 12, 2015 7:21 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

    The proof is as strong as the GW Bush claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and the implication that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11. Those Bush claims led to the longest war in US history, with disastrous results.

    Now either GW Bush and his Administration are the most incompetent in US history, or they had a private agenda. Take your pick. A desire to avenge Daddy Bush, who got reined in and obeyed the Saudis before the job was done during the First Gulf War, is as good as any.
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    May 12, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
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    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

    The proof is as strong as the GW Bush claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and the implication that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11. Those Bush claims led to the longest war in US history, with disastrous results.

    Now either Bush and his Administration are the most incompetent in US history, or they had a private agenda. Take your pick. A desire to avenge Daddy Bush, who got reined in and obeyed the Saudis before the job was done during the First Gulf War, is as good as any.

    That's not proof. It's just your opinion, which I disagree with.
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    May 12, 2015 7:26 PM GMT
    Say_so030 said
    Art_Deco said
    Say_so030 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

    The proof is as strong as the GW Bush claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and the implication that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11. Those Bush claims led to the longest war in US history, with disastrous results.

    Now either Bush and his Administration are the most incompetent in US history, or they had a private agenda. Take your pick. A desire to avenge Daddy Bush, who got reined in and obeyed the Saudis before the job was done during the First Gulf War, is as good as any.

    That's not proof. It's just your opinion, which I disagree with.

    Of course you do. That's why you were placed here.
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    May 12, 2015 7:28 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Say_so030 said
    Art_Deco said
    Say_so030 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

    The proof is as strong as the GW Bush claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and the implication that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11. Those Bush claims led to the longest war in US history, with disastrous results.

    Now either Bush and his Administration are the most incompetent in US history, or they had a private agenda. Take your pick. A desire to avenge Daddy Bush, who got reined in and obeyed the Saudis before the job was done during the First Gulf War, is as good as any.

    That's not proof. It's just your opinion, which I disagree with.

    Of course you do. That's why you were placed here.

    I was placed here?
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    May 12, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    Say_so030 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?


    Common sense. Circumstantial evidence is valid proof under United States law. Most cases do NOT have direct evidence and 'smoking guns'.

    Thanks for playing though. As judges often instruct juries: you don't have to leave your common sense at the door. Take it with you in the jury room. If you can't see the psychological vengeance motivating the Bush sons (the same dynamic oft written about in history and famous literature in the days of Kings and Princes), fine, but most can.
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    May 12, 2015 7:51 PM GMT
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    Say_so030 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?


    Common sense. Circumstantial evidence is valid proof under United States law. Most cases do NOT have direct evidence and 'smoking guns'.

    Thanks for playing though. As judges often instruct juries: you don't have to leave your common sense at the door. Take it with you in the jury room. If you can't see the psychological vengeance motivating the Bush sons (the same dynamic oft written about in history and famous literature in the days of Kings and Princes), fine, but most can.

    None of this is circumstantial evidence, it's just opinions that have no credibility.
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    May 12, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    Jeb Bush and his association with his middle east expert and brother George seems to be picking up negative traction. Jeb might not be electable.

    is Rick Perry the next best choice.



    Say_so030 might be a sock account and fodder for the ignore list.
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    May 12, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    Say_so030 said
    Svnw688 said
    Say_so030 said
    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?


    Common sense. Circumstantial evidence is valid proof under United States law. Most cases do NOT have direct evidence and 'smoking guns'.

    Thanks for playing though. As judges often instruct juries: you don't have to leave your common sense at the door. Take it with you in the jury room. If you can't see the psychological vengeance motivating the Bush sons (the same dynamic oft written about in history and famous literature in the days of Kings and Princes), fine, but most can.

    None of this is circumstantial evidence, it's just opinions that have no credibility.


    (1) Daddy Bush went to war against Saddam, but didn't overthrow him and Saddam "won" in that sense.
    (2) GWB and Jeb are GHB's sons.
    (3) Sons often want to avenge the failures and harms inflicted against their dads when in power.

    That is f-ing evidence, and is not complicated. It's as primal and self-evident as it is persuasive.

    Again, that IS evidence. Circumstantial, but evidence nonetheless. That you had to have somebody spell it out is what's remarkable.

    Come on SouthBeach, I mean SaySo30, you're smarter than that (even if you keep subjecting us to caricatured and unmatured SOCK accounts).
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    May 12, 2015 10:18 PM GMT
    Jeb Bush Defends Himself Saying He Misheard When He Said To Invade Iraq

    NYT: A friend and adviser of Jeb Bush said Tuesday morning that the likely 2016 presidential hopeful told her he had misheard a question from Megyn Kelly, the Fox News host, about the war in Iraq, after his response created an uproar of criticism from the left and the right.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/12/jeb-bush-ally-says-he-misheard-question-on-iraq-war/?
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    May 12, 2015 10:25 PM GMT
    After Declaring Invasion of Iraq, Jeb Bush Abandons Iowa Straw Poll

    NYT: The Iowa Straw Poll, a high-profile but sometimes vexing event for Republican presidential candidates, has its first no-show: Jeb Bush, who will instead appear halfway across the country.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/12/jeb-bush-passes-on-iowa-straw-poll/
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    May 12, 2015 11:23 PM GMT
    serious; republicans seem to be self destructing:
    Chris Christie
    Jeb Bush

    Carly Fiorina for president?
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    May 13, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    Now Jeb Claims, Not Misheard, But Misinterpreted The Question

    NYT: “I interpreted the question wrong, I guess. I was talking about, given what people knew then,” Mr. Bush said in a Tuesday evening interview with Sean Hannity. He added, “Knowing what we know now, clearly there were mistakes.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/us/politics/jeb-bush-ana-navarro-and-the-question-that-may-have-been-misheard.html?ref=politics
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    May 13, 2015 1:32 AM GMT
    Laura Ingraham, Conservative Radio Host, Suggested That Jeb Bush Might Not Be Sane

    NYT: The question, from Megyn Kelly of Fox News, was not terribly complicated: “Knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion?”

    Mr. Bush’s answer was that he would have done that. He went on to repeat a variety of half-truths and flat-out false statements about the history of the Iraq war resolution. Ms. Kelly helpfully tried to clarify Mr. Bush’s comments later, but in a way that made little sense.

    Laura Ingraham, the right-wing radio host, suggested that Jeb Bush might not be sane.

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/jeb-bushs-iraq-debacle-gets-weirder/?ref=opinion
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    May 13, 2015 2:00 AM GMT
    It looks like Jeb's candidacy is in major trouble.
    Whichever side you're on regarding the Iraq question, Republicans have to be asking themselves if this guy is up to the task of running a serious campaign, if he can't answer the simplest of questions like this. He's already flip-flopped twice on this issue, seriously wounded himself and now he's pulling out of Iowa? Seems like a dim bulb who's not ready for prime time.
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    May 13, 2015 2:48 AM GMT
    Jeb Bush Unable to Answer for a Second Time Whether He Would Invade Iraq

    NYT: When Mr. Hannity asked about the 2003 Iraq invasion again, in yes-or-no fashion, Mr. Bush said he did not know what the answer would have been, saying, “That’s a hypothetical.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/us/politics/jeb-bush-walks-back-iraq-war-comments.html?ref=politics
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    May 13, 2015 3:38 AM GMT
    WSJ reports:
    What Jeb Bush Said About Authorizing the Iraq Invasion

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/05/12/what-jeb-bush-said-about-authorizing-the-iraq-invasion/

    Here's the excerpt of the transcript of the interview in question. From the way he finished his first answer and following answers it's pretty clear he was anticipating a question about whether he would have invaded Iraq based on the intelligence that was used by GW to make the decision to invade.... but I doubt that will matter to most of you.


    KELLY: On the subject of Iraq –

    BUSH: Yep?

    KELLY: Obviously, very controversial. Knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion?

    BUSH: I would have, and so would have Hillary Clinton, just to remind everybody, and so would have almost everybody that was confronted with the intelligence they got.

    KELLY: You don’t think it was a mistake?

    BUSH: In retrospect, the intelligence that everybody saw, that the world saw, not just the United States, was faulty. And in retrospect, once we, once we invaded and took out Saddam Hussein, we didn’t focus on security first. And the Iraqis, in this incredibly insecure environment turned on the United States military because there was no security for themselves and their families.

    By the way, guess who thinks that those mistakes took place as well? George W. Bush.

    KELLY: Your brother.

    BUSH: Yes, I mean, so just for the news flash to the world, if they’re trying to find places where there’s big space between me and my brother, this might not be one of those. But it’s important to remind ourselves of lessons learned going forward, the world is different today than it was in 2001. It’s going to be different in 2017 if we allow this president’s foreign policy to continue on. The unraveling isn’t going to stop.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of whatever you decide to believe. Just try not to confuse your power to believe something to be true with the fact that believing has never made anything true.
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    May 13, 2015 3:43 AM GMT
    Conservative Washington Examiner Advises Jeb Bush to Change Answer Or Lose Election

    NYT: “Jeb’s statement is likely to resonate until he either changes his position or loses the race for the Republican nomination,” wrote Byron York, the chief political correspondent for the conservative Washington Examiner.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/us/politics/jeb-bush-walks-back-iraq-war-comments.html?ref=politics
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    May 13, 2015 4:51 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidConservative Washington Examiner Advises Jeb Bush to Change Answer Or Lose Election

    NYT: “Jeb’s statement is likely to resonate until he either changes his position or loses the race for the Republican nomination,” wrote Byron York, the chief political correspondent for the conservative Washington Examiner.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/us/politics/jeb-bush-walks-back-iraq-war-comments.html?ref=politics


    ^^^^
    that would suit me just fine but I doubt as many people as you'd like to believe are going to hear or read his words and be unable to discern what he meant.
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    May 13, 2015 5:07 AM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidHe and his brother both had a personal interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, namely, avenging their daddy. Sadly, it is the American families who lost loved ones and the American taxpayer who lost $trillions, who ended up paying for this familial folly.

    Do you have any proof to back up this claim?

    The proof is as strong as the GW Bush claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and the implication that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11. Those Bush claims led to the longest war in US history, with disastrous results.

    Now either GW Bush and his Administration are the most incompetent in US history, or they had a private agenda. Take your pick. A desire to avenge Daddy Bush, who got reined in and obeyed the Saudis before the job was done during the First Gulf War, is as good as any.


    "The proof is as strong as the GW Bush claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction "






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    May 13, 2015 8:37 AM GMT
    Around half of the Dems in Congress voted against the Iraq War, while almost every Republican voted for it. I have yet to hear a Dem politician (let alone a presidential hopeful) saying that if they had known then what they know now they would still have authorized the invasion of Iraq. I mean, you would have to be pretty stupid to say that, wouldn't you?

    "Asked on Fox News if he would have authorized the invasion of Iraq, knowing what the world now knows, Jeb Bush replied: 'I would have'"
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    May 13, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidAround half of the Dems in Congress voted against the Iraq War, while almost every Republican voted for it. I have yet to hear a Dem politician (let alone a presidential hopeful) saying that if they had known then what they know now they would still have authorized the invasion of Iraq. I mean, you would have to be pretty stupid to say that, wouldn't you?

    "Asked on Fox News if he would have authorized the invasion of Iraq, knowing what the world now knows, Jeb Bush replied: 'I would have'"


    Jeb=Bush=Iraq War

    He failed to break the connection and, literally, just killed his chances with swing voters, a/k/a, he just killed his chances at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    Jeb's campaign is toast.