More Chaos: GOP Debates with ~20 Presidential Hopefuls

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    May 13, 2015 1:56 PM GMT
    NYT: Republican leaders, searching for a fair-minded but strategically wise way to conduct the 90-minute presidential primary debates, are grappling with how to manage White House contenders in a sprawling field that mixes proven politicians with provocateurs and reflects an increasingly fractious party.

    Mitt Romney, the 2012 nominee, was hurt by both the pummeling and the positions he took during the 20 debates in that primary contest.

    But as the 2012 primary demonstrated, televised debates can instantaneously reshape presidential races.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/us/politics/gop-seeks-strategy-for-debates-amid-expanding-candidate-list.html?
  • Relajado

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    May 14, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    The party is a joke. The candidates are a mess and their 'intelligence' levels can be shocking. It represents the 1%, marginalises minorities, if not downright hostility, appeals to anti-science, struggles with separation of Church and State, and puts businesses ahead of people. Everything we do is to make life better for PEOPLE. In ignoring people, then what is the point?

    Hillary to steamroll them as an actual RATIONAL and INTELLIGENT candidate with good policies and not a warmonger.
  • tazzari

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    May 14, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
    Two solutions:

    1) Have them all debate at the same time. The loudest/longest lasting shouter wins. We all know the right wing thrives on shouting - let's see who's best at it.

    2) Mass mud wrestling.
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    May 16, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    What some call "chaos" others see as the democratic process in all its guts and glory. Ordo ex chao: order comes out of chaos, and the rule of physics applies equally well to politics, even if not so predictably. I'd rather see a brawl than an[other] annointing anyday.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 16, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidWhat some call "chaos" others see as the democratic process in all its guts and glory. Ordo ex chao: order comes out of chaos, and the rule of physics applies equally well to politics, even if not so predictably. I'd rather see a brawl than an[other] annointing anyday.


    ^^^ aint that the truth.
    Like I've been saying for weeks now - By running one self anointed "candidate" the Democratic party and Hillary are on the slippery slope of creating a mock primary that more closely resembles the staged elections of Hitler, Stalin and other dictators than anything that's ever happened in US history.


    From Elections Under 20th Century Dictatorships
    by Ralph Jessen and Hedwig Richter
    The Symbolic Staging of Elections:
    If one analyses the elections as an act of performance, the symbolic content of the elections must be examined. Dictatorial elections were a “celebration” of the collective, the consent and the uniformity and they demonstratively negated the meaning of the individuality.
    http://www.hsozkult.de/event/id/termine-10378

    But don't let the facts or reason mess up your delusional glee
  • SkyMiles

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    May 16, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    Really? Wow, so you're going with Hillary is like Hitler, Stalin, etc., etc.? A truly pathetic argument.

    As for the republicans, sure they have 20 candidates but is there any diversity of ideas maybe aside from Rand Paul whose positions change on a daily basis?
    Is it even possible for any new ideas to emerge when they're all seeking funding from the same six guys whose positions they absolutely cannot question let alone challenge?
  • KissTheSky

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    May 16, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    Republicans have only themselves to blame for the mess that their primary has devolved into.
    Thanks to the Citizens United decision (which was the product of the Conservative Supreme Court justices) any fringe personality can now claim to be a "candidate" and can keep going through the entire primary process.
    All they need is one misguided billionaire who watches too much Fox News to bankroll their entire candidacy.... they don't need actual people voting for them, so they are free to spout whatever right-wing nuttiness they want.
    The old process used to quickly winnow the field by forcing candidates to get live humans to vote for them... the losers had no money so they faded away quickly. No longer, thanks to the Republican belief in unlimited campaign contributions, and "Corporations Are People."
  • Hypertrophile

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    May 16, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    They really shouldn't televise these things. It only encourages them.

  • bobbobbob

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    May 17, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    Colbert_Nation saidReally? Wow, so you're going with Hillary is like Hitler, Stalin, etc., etc.? A truly pathetic argument.

    You should try reading my words without reinterpreting them. I'm competent to say exactly what I mean without anyone's help.
    [quote][cite]bobbobbob said[/cite] By running one self anointed "candidate" the Democratic party and Hillary are on the slippery slope of creating a mock primary that more closely resembles the staged elections of Hitler, Stalin and other dictators than anything that's ever happened in US history.

    I said NOTHING about Hillary being LIKE anyone.


    Colbert_Nation said As for the republicans, sure they have 20 candidates but is there any diversity of ideas maybe aside from Rand Paul whose positions change on a daily basis?
    Since the end of February Hillary has changed positions on
    Gay marriage,(once it's lated to go to SCOTUS and most likely be ruled on favorably)
    Immigration,(just for a mostly Hispanic audience)
    TPP,(when polls showed most oppose it but Bill has always supported it and still does)
    Ethics in Government (that she didn't observe as Secretary of State)

    That's four changes of position for Hillary; the same number as Rand Paul....



    Colbert_Nation said Is it even possible for any new ideas to emerge when they're all seeking funding from the same six guys whose positions they absolutely cannot question let alone challenge?

    What same six guys are you referring to?
  • bobbobbob

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    May 17, 2015 5:08 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidRepublicans have only themselves to blame for the mess that their primary has devolved into.
    Thanks to the Citizens United decision (which was the product of the Conservative Supreme Court justices) any fringe personality can now claim to be a "candidate" and can keep going through the entire primary process.
    All they need is one misguided billionaire who watches too much Fox News to bankroll their entire candidacy.... they don't need actual people voting for them, so they are free to spout whatever right-wing nuttiness they want.
    The old process used to quickly winnow the field by forcing candidates to get live humans to vote for them... the losers had no money so they faded away quickly. No longer, thanks to the Republican belief in unlimited campaign contributions, and "Corporations Are People."

    Buddy, your ignorance of what Citizens United is about is embarrassing. There's never been a shortage of "fringe candidates" who keep going through the entire primary process or general elections...and THAT goes for both parties. All they have to do is run as independents or write ins after the primary.

    And the myth that Citizens UNited benefits Republicans more than Democrats is pure bullshit.

    As for misguided millionaires/billionaires you need to clean up the ones who donate to Democrats before you even think about whining about any on the conservative end. Start with George Soros who...
    Collapsed the bank of England to make £10 Million

    Collapsed France's biggest bank by insider trading and was convicted by the European Court of Human Rights.
    Is wanted in Russia for the same thing.

    He gave over $43 Million to Democrats in 2012 which made him the 19th largest political contributor out of a list of 50 of which
    37 donated most to Democrats, and 13 gave most to Republicans.

    Here's a link to the list with links to the source.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4031636#908880_4031783_name
  • 24hourguy

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    May 17, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
    just drop them all in the middle of downtown Baghdad and "May the odds be ever in your favor"
  • bobbobbob

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    May 17, 2015 7:19 PM GMT
    24hourguy saidjust drop them all in the middle of downtown Baghdad and "May the odds be ever in your favor"


    Or drop them in the middle of Baghdad and say "you better pray your parachute opens."

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    May 21, 2015 3:55 AM GMT
    Only 10 Lucky GOP Presidential Hopefuls Will Debate

    NYT: Fox News, which is to host the first G.O.P. presidential debate, announced that it would winnow down the sprawling field.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/20/first-republican-debate-is-limited-to-10-candidates/
  • Apparition

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    May 24, 2015 5:43 AM GMT
    It would be much more effective to give everyone a chance. Give them all cards 1-10. Everyone holds up a card no talking. Ask questions and just get them to say how much they support various issues.