The Elusive Gay Bodybuilder (Or Gay Bodybuilder Type)

  • AlexDSSF

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    May 13, 2015 7:21 PM GMT
    So, Davey Wavey's latest YouTube video showcases a few straight male cisgender bodybuilders talking about how they dealt with bullying. While it's very noble of them to tell these stories, there was just one problem: that Davey couldn't or wouldn't find at least one gay male bodybuilder to tell his story about bullying.

    Considering Davey's audience, it seemed rather disingenuous to not have someone who shared a similar life trajectory. These heterosexual male bodybuilders, without invalidating their life experiences, are not gay male bodybuilders. They don't have to deal with homophobia and connected issues. Gay people do.

    This got me to thinking if gay male bodybuilders are actually visible. I've heard of cisgender lesbian bodybuilders, MTF bodybuilders (such as Christina Bruce), FTM bodybuilders (such as Paulo Batista), and even bodybuilders with disabilities. But outside of sites like Real Jock and Big Muscle, and a few circuit parties, you rarely see cisgender gay male bodybuilders (or bodybuilder types). Not even in porn these days. If I recall, there weren't that many at the recent Gay Games in Cleveland.

    On one hand, it's not surprising. There hasn't been an openly gay bodybuilder of considerable stature since Bob Paris came out, despite the obvious homoeroticism in the sport. (I think that if someone in the same league as Phil Heath came out, it would be huge.) But it's a shame that there aren't more out gay men in the sport, and out gay men in the sport in the LGBT community. If you were lucky to see a buff god at any gay pride event this summer, he's more likely to be a straight guy out for the pink dollar. I think that a gay man who can get his body to look like a Mr. Olympia contender (or at least reasonably buff) is a beautiful thing, because such bodies have been prized throughout history, and gay men have often not been considered "men" in even the most progressive way. So when and if you see an out gay man who could give heterosexual men a run for the money in the muscles department, that's progress. But I find that gay men are shunning anything remotely masculine these days, and leaving those to straight men. They'll gladly ogle a straight Adonis (like Davey does in his videos), but if an actual homosexual comes along with even a bigger body and a nice personality to boot, they'd shun him like the Amish and go after the guy who eats pussy instead. (I actually wrote an essay on the complicated relationship between gay men and masculinity. I'll post it on Real Jock soon.)
  • Bunjamon

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    May 13, 2015 9:30 PM GMT
    This is what Davey Wavey himself had to say about the video:

    "Part of why I think this video is important, is the kids at home who are the bullies, who do they look up to? It's professional athletes, it's bodybuilders, and here are these people who are really symbols of strength in every sense of the word saying that what makes you strong is helping others and that bullying is actually a sign of weakness. That's a powerful message."

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/davey_wavey/#ixzz3a3YRl4Yr

    His audience was, in fact, young bullies, who are both gay and straight. There are more straight people in the world, so he found straight bodybuilders to talk about bullying. I do not find it disingenuous at all, I think it's actually a clever way to try to get the bullying message to a wider, straight, young audience.

    Gay people deal with homophobia, but EVERYONE deals with bullying. We shouldn't solely victimize ourselves; rather, we should recognize that it's difficult for everyone (including straight people) and work together to resolve it.

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  • AlexDSSF

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    May 13, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    I don't take him that seriously, but I do understand the kind of impact that he has. I just think that the experiences of gay people shouldn't just be sidelined because straight people are more numerous. If he could get a bunch of straight bodybuilders together, then why not gay bodybuilders? Are their perspectives on bullying not valid?
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    May 14, 2015 12:18 PM GMT
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    May 14, 2015 12:29 PM GMT
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  • Muscles25

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    May 14, 2015 5:06 PM GMT
    AlexDSSF saidI don't take him that seriously, but I do understand the kind of impact that he has. I just think that the experiences of gay people shouldn't just be sidelined because straight people are more numerous. If he could get a bunch of straight bodybuilders together, then why not gay bodybuilders? Are their perspectives on bullying not valid?


    It seems like you completely missed the point of why he posted what he did.
  • AlexDSSF

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    May 14, 2015 6:35 PM GMT
    I understand why he did it now. But I still stand by what I initially said.
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    May 14, 2015 9:40 PM GMT
    It is a shame that there are not more out gay bodybuilders, as you say. I would emphasize the "out" part because there are a great many gay bodybuilders, but many still choose not to be open about it in their public lives, even if they are out privately. Despite the fact that the whole sport is a beauty contest of oiled-up, mostly-naked men it is still surprisingly homophobic and that's a sad thing. I hope it changes.
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    May 15, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    I'm not sure they would ever stand a chance at ranking in a competition again..

    The numbers can be so close, a little bit of homo-bias can ruin it all.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 15, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
    SF79 saidIt is a shame that there are not more out gay bodybuilders, as you say. I would emphasize the "out" part because there are a great many gay bodybuilders, but many still choose not to be open about it in their public lives, even if they are out privately. Despite the fact that the whole sport is a beauty contest of oiled-up, mostly-naked men it is still surprisingly homophobic and that's a sad thing. I hope it changes.
    Exactly, +200,000
  • maggass

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    May 15, 2015 4:10 AM GMT
    Please stop looking to Davey Wavey for advice. He's the pure epitome of gay stereotype. And many of his videos, he contradicts himself. There are SOME gay bodybuilders out there. You just have to look really hard. Oprah actually interviewed a couple years ago who were actually two body builders who fell in love and came out.

  • BloodFlame

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    May 15, 2015 7:06 AM GMT
    I'm very surprised and laugh at how Bodybuilder is homophobic in nature (I'm speaking the competitions). Like someone else said, it's pretty much the male equivalent of the female beauty pageant, only with oiled up muscular men. It seems it would be natural and the bread & butter of gay.

    I too, hope this turns around so then more would be open and not ashamed.
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    May 15, 2015 2:24 PM GMT
    Being a victim is not linked to body size though it can be be part of a victim's
    psychological submissive makeup. Victims often don't feel worthy of being big, buff and beautiful. I've seen just the opposite when little guys take on the bully role to compensate for inferiority issues.
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    May 16, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    maggass saidPlease stop looking to Davey Wavey for advice. He's the pure epitome of gay stereotype. And many of his videos, he contradicts himself. There are SOME gay bodybuilders out there. You just have to look really hard. Oprah actually interviewed a couple years ago who were actually two body builders who fell in love and came out.



    I remember this story. It's a bittersweet the relationship ended, but at least he found his husband.

    Also for them to come out back at that time for very courageous.
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    May 16, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
    Hmm.. to be a bodybuilder or gay bodybuilder. Not sure why this is such a big deal.
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    May 16, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    Thread title win.

    If my experiences and the opinions of others are to be believed, the gay bodybuilder is the most elusive of all.
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    May 16, 2015 11:28 PM GMT
    the homo's are like 2-8% of the general population so to specifically see someone in a specific skill would be rare.

    Davey W. defiantly quit his day job long ago but less burned out than Dan Savage. Changing times and the media is having a difficult time picking the next stereotype
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    May 17, 2015 12:12 AM GMT
    maggass saidPlease stop looking to Davey Wavey for advice. He's the pure epitome of gay stereotype. And many of his videos, he contradicts himself. There are SOME gay bodybuilders out there. You just have to look really hard. Oprah actually interviewed a couple years ago who were actually two body builders who fell in love and came out.



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    Thanks for sharing video clip !