Abstinence-only curriculum is not sex education, CA judge rules

• metta
  
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  May 14, 2015 3:52 PM GMT

  Abstinence-only curriculum is not sex education, judge rules
  
  
  http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Judge-Abstinence-only-curriculum-is-not-sex-6256481.php

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• DrewT
  
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  May 14, 2015 7:14 PM GMT

  A step in the right direction.

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  May 14, 2015 7:23 PM GMT

  A slap in the face of Republicans,

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  May 15, 2015 12:16 AM GMT

  Hello Texas????
  
  They are diverting HIV money to abstinence.

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• Rowing_Ant
  
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  May 15, 2015 9:32 AM GMT

  When I was serving as a College Chaplain I had to teach that shit.
  
  We were to "enoucrage" our students to stay absintant - not because that's what God wanted - but because it was the only 100% way of avoiding STDS. Becase, you know, condoms, condoms don't work. The Pill doesnt work. Yes they're not 100% but we had to teach that they didn't work.
  
  There was nothing, zilch, zero, in the material for LGBT students.
  
  What worried me was, we were telling these kids not to have sex, but at the same time, that condoms don't work.....so we were actually encouraging kids to have unsafe sex? What's the point of wearing a condom if the Rev. says they don't work?...... terrifying.
  
  SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I left that job.

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• jaxsurfer
  
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  May 15, 2015 10:09 PM GMT

  The last time I checked, humans are designed like other living things to procreate and some (gasp) have same sex attraction. Being told it is wrong to do something you were designed (by God) to do is evil.

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• Apparition
  
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  May 16, 2015 1:24 PM GMT

  Why dont they just make a video and make every kid watch it once a year
  

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  May 16, 2015 5:25 PM GMT

  Let's remove sex education and replace it with biology, chemistry and calculus so that these people can actually do well on the SAT and get into college.
  
  For God sake, these are our future leaders.

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• KissTheSky
  
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  May 16, 2015 5:38 PM GMT

  Rowing_Ant saidWhen I was serving as a College Chaplain I had to teach that shit.
  
  We were to "enoucrage" our students to stay absintant - not because that's what God wanted - but because it was the only 100% way of avoiding STDS. Becase, you know, condoms, condoms don't work. The Pill doesnt work. Yes they're not 100% but we had to teach that they didn't work.
  
  There was nothing, zilch, zero, in the material for LGBT students.
  
  What worried me was, we were telling these kids not to have sex, but at the same time, that condoms don't work.....so we were actually encouraging kids to have unsafe sex? What's the point of wearing a condom if the Rev. says they don't work?...... terrifying.
  
  SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I left that job.

  
  
  This is so true, and young people are paying the price.
  Conservatives have brainwashed an entire generation of young people into thinking contraceptives don't work so they shouldn't be using them.
  So the results are all these unwanted babies and STDs.
  It's all the more infuriating that our tax dollars are being wasted on this Republican nonsense.
  Look, Conservatives: if you want your children to be ignorant about how their own bodies work and how to stay healthy, then pull your kids out of public schools or keep them out of sex ed. But don't drag down the rest of our society because of your "religious" extremism.

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  May 17, 2015 12:57 AM GMT

  CLTMike46 saidLet's remove sex education and replace it with biology, chemistry and calculus so that these people can actually do well on the SAT and get into college.
  
  For God sake, these are our future leaders.

  
  
  I hope you're joking. They won't get far as leaders when they get pregnant at 15 or end up with a debilitating STI.

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• FRE0
  
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  May 17, 2015 2:06 AM GMT

  Here in NM, we have the second highest rate of teen age pregnancy in the entire U. S. of A. Schools are required to have good comprehensive sex education programs, but many still do not.

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  May 17, 2015 2:12 AM GMT

  Rowing_Ant saidWhen I was serving as a College Chaplain I had to teach that shit.
  
  We were to "enoucrage" our students to stay absintant - not because that's what God wanted - but because it was the only 100% way of avoiding STDS. Becase, you know, condoms, condoms don't work. The Pill doesnt work. Yes they're not 100% but we had to teach that they didn't work.
  
  There was nothing, zilch, zero, in the material for LGBT students.
  
  What worried me was, we were telling these kids not to have sex, but at the same time, that condoms don't work.....so we were actually encouraging kids to have unsafe sex? What's the point of wearing a condom if the Rev. says they don't work?...... terrifying.
  
  SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I left that job.

  
  
  I see that you are in the UK. If, as here in the U.S., a college is a tertiary level school, it is extra absurd that you were required to teach that condoms and pills don't work. I do think that abstinence should be given as an option, but no more than an option.
  
  By the time kids reach the college level, probably most would see through the nonsense that you were required to teach.

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  May 17, 2015 9:36 PM GMT

  evish said

  CLTMike46 saidLet's remove sex education and replace it with biology, chemistry and calculus so that these people can actually do well on the SAT and get into college.
  
  For God sake, these are our future leaders.

  
  
  I hope you're joking. They won't get far as leaders when they get pregnant at 15 or end up with a debilitating STI.

  
  
  Some will end up pregnant or with a lifelong STI or both even with education. That's the harsh reality of life. Some people you can't save from themselves and they end up graduating the school of hard knocks for all your best intentions. Did the system fail them or did they fail themselves?
  
  I remember all the anti drug lectures and class instruction I had to sit through in grammar and middle school. Many of us students went on to live drug free lives. Some did not. Some did nothing more than pot. Some died of drug overdoses. I suspect it had more to do with their family life, their social circle, and their individual personalities.
  
  My point. We need both and can have both curricula in math, sciences and the arts along with sex education (as part of health and physical education). But just as those who are exposed to math, sciences, and the arts may never become a leader of any kind or even drop out and become fast food servers, all those exposed to sex education may not remain STI or pregnancy free. We teach need to teach ALL the basics in order for all children to live quality lives. Abstinence is just one aspect of sex education which I feel should be part of a good sex ed program. Who can argue that abstinence is a bad thing for people too young the handle the responsibilities and repurcussions of sexual activity?

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