US pays $1.88 TRILLION in Bureaucratic Red Tape's hidden fees, taxes and outright costs to businesses that are passed down to consumers.

  • bobbobbob

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    May 14, 2015 10:16 PM GMT
    To put that number in perspective....

    $1,880,000,000,000. is more than the Gross domestic product of Canada.

    OR.....

    $5,000 per year for every household in the US.

    You and all other consumers pay for every bit of it in your utility bills, groceries and every other purchase you make... even hotels and amusement parks and your annual trip to get your teeth cleaned and your funeral.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/13/ernest-istook-how-red-tape-runaway-regulations-wre/

    http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2015/05/regulation-and-red-tape-cost-us-1-88-trillion-per-year-2641930.html
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    May 14, 2015 10:19 PM GMT
    Sigh... and which of our two dysfunctional and falsely-dichotomous options will solve the problem? Executing all Democrats or executing all Republicans?

    Edit: The second article begins "American’s frequently complain", at which point I stopped reading it. More of the usual.

    Edit 2: The first uses web scripting to hide its article until all the ads are verified to have loaded. Don't know why I tried.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 14, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
    yetanotherphil saidSigh... and which of our two dysfunctional and falsely-dichotomous options will solve the problem? Executing all Democrats or executing all Republicans?

    Edit: The second article begins "American’s frequently complain", at which point I stopped reading it. More of the usual.

    Edit 2: The first uses web scripting to hide its article until all the ads are verified to have loaded. Don't know why I tried.


    Sorry you had trouble with the links. I'll look for others. I try to stay away from the hardcore partisan news sources as much as possible.

    As for my solution to the problem --- a grassroots movement for legislation to put allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the "hidden taxes" and fees passed down the foodchain to the consumer level on receipts so we can deduct every fucking red cent of it from our income taxes UNTIL such time as the elected government decides to overhaul the entire tax and regulatory system to make it rational and reasonable. The real truth is these regulations and hidden taxes take up 30% of the income of people in the lowest income brackets and those living on all forms of public assistance are penalized even worse.

    And I'd could be talked into being in favor of a random few bipartisan imprisonments and executions per month to expedite the matter.... and a few others.
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    May 14, 2015 11:32 PM GMT
    Good luck talking the federal government into bipartisan action of any kind, *especially* the kind that would make it possible to untangle the parties' collective mess without them acting as gatekeepers in the process.

    I remain convinced that until a critical mass of American voters present a credible thread to their *own* respective ostensibly-sympathetic parties (*NOT* the 'other side') by withholding votes in favor of third parties even (read: *especially*) in close races, the dems and reps will continue play the game of lesser evils that keeps us mired in this mess.

    The false partisan debate is *exactly* what keeps us stuck in this rut in the mean time.
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    May 15, 2015 1:23 AM GMT

    UP here in Canada, the corporate tax rate was cut down to 16%, because the Conserv Feds said it would create jobs and lower prices.

    Well, prices went up and jobs lost.

    Tax cuts to Corporations are treated as profit, not money for social service activities such as hiring people when there is not enough work for them to do.

    lol, remember the big bailout from the 2008 crash? The Toronto Dominion bank used it's bailout money to buy an entire bank and it's branches in the US. icon_lol.gif
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    May 15, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    yetanotherphil saidGood luck talking the federal government into bipartisan action of any kind, *especially* the kind that would make it possible to untangle the parties' collective mess without them acting as gatekeepers in the process.

    I remain convinced that until a critical mass of American voters present a credible thread to their *own* respective ostensibly-sympathetic parties (*NOT* the 'other side') by withholding votes in favor of third parties even (read: *especially*) in close races, the dems and reps will continue play the game of lesser evils that keeps us mired in this mess.

    The false partisan debate is *exactly* what keeps us stuck in this rut in the mean time.


    By using the word bipartisan I wasn't naive enough to think in terms of them volunteering to cooperate. Hence random bipartisan executions might be used to inspire them to cooperate and speed up about it.

    I agree with you in principle about voters needing to reach critical mass to get anything done about the real problems in DC. But unlike you I'd be reluctant to want a strong third party introduced into the cluster fuck of Washington DC. A consensus of voters that would be served as an ultimatum to the executive and legislative branches as well as all to the bureaucracies would be the way to go IMO... and to put ass biting fanged consequences for them on all reforms. For instance - a law that they must pass a budget, stick to the passed budget or forfeit their pay, benefits for a year as well as the pay and benefits for their staff and aides plus cancel all taxes on businesses and taxpayers for that same fiscal year... Anyone caught for, breach of ethics, bribery, corruption or other forms of malfeasance forfeits everything they possess, any law licenses or professional licenses for life, cannot work in government or anything related to finances, investments or at any job making more than the average US income. Bureaucrats doing anything unethical should be executed as far as I'm concerned.
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    May 15, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    yetanotherphil saidGood luck talking the federal government into bipartisan action of any kind, *especially* the kind that would make it possible to untangle the parties' collective mess without them acting as gatekeepers in the process.

    I remain convinced that until a critical mass of American voters present a credible thread to their *own* respective ostensibly-sympathetic parties (*NOT* the 'other side') by withholding votes in favor of third parties even (read: *especially*) in close races, the dems and reps will continue play the game of lesser evils that keeps us mired in this mess.

    The false partisan debate is *exactly* what keeps us stuck in this rut in the mean time.


    By using the word bipartisan I wasn't naive enough to think in terms of them volunteering to cooperate. Hence random bipartisan executions might be used to inspire them to cooperate and speed up about it.

    I agree with you in principle about voters needing to reach critical mass to get anything done about the real problems in DC. But unlike you I'd be reluctant to want a strong third party introduced into the cluster fuck of Washington DC. A consensus of voters that would be served as an ultimatum to the executive and legislative branches as well as all to the bureaucracies would be the way to go IMO... and to put ass biting fangs on all reforms. For instance - a law that they must pass a budget, stick to the passed budget or forfeit their pay, benefits for a year as well as cancel all taxes on businesses and taxpayers for that same fiscal year... Anyone caught for, breach of ethics, bribery, corruption or other forms of malfeasance forfeits everything they possess, any law licenses or professional licenses for life, cannot work in government or anything related to finances, investments or at any job making more than the average US income. Bureaucrats doing anything unethical should be executed as far as I'm concerned.


    I can only wish you luck with this. Not only are the two parties in their not-so-secret collusion capable of defeating any true reform (and besides, if the Dems & Reps participate in enforcement, then this would be the final nail in the coffin of any participation from anyone else forever; all they have to do is work together to convict anyone who disagrees with them of some qualifying malfeasance), but the whole suspend-their-pay thing just makes them that much more beholden to their shady commercial overlords.

    In the mean time I'll continue to antagonize my own semi-sympathetic party as much as possible in the hopes that they never pass up another opportunity for reform like they did the one Nader gave them in 2000.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 15, 2015 7:26 AM GMT
    I think you and I can agree the issue at hand isn't about liberal vs conservative politics. It's about reforming the intentionally broken machinery of the federal government that serves government more than the people. If that is ever done the entire fabric of partisan dichotomy (business as usual) will be changed because a great deal of it will be made illegal.

    Beyond that I'm not comfortable talking details in a forum.