The big business of Chinese having babies in the US (and Canada)

  • tj85016

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    May 16, 2015 2:59 PM GMT
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-13/chinese-maternity-tourists-and-the-business-of-being-born-american

    this crap needs to stop
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 16, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    Why do you keep saying and Canada in parenthesis when it is no where near as big an issue or problem as here in the US. This is primarily an American problem meaning the U.S. only. Canada is not exactly like the US so let's kill off that longstanding myth.
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    May 16, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    Because he loves to bitch about Brits, Europeans and Canadians, even when it is not relevant to the topic.
  • tj85016

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    May 16, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
    ^^

    Rob,because the US and Canada are the only developed countries that grant birthright citizenship, so I would imagine they try to pull off the same scam in Canada

    actually, I love Canada, I've been there a lot
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    May 16, 2015 3:36 PM GMT
    ^
    Well at least you managed to post twice in the same thread (albeit your own), rather than your usual tactic of dropping an irrelevance bomb and then buggering-off.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 16, 2015 3:38 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    Because the US and Canada are the only developed countries that grant birthright citizenship, so I would imagine they try to pull off the same scam in Canada

    actually, I love Canada, I've been there a lot
    That doesn't automatically mean that the same thing is happening in Canada keep in mind that their laws are somewhat different then ours. Canada also doesn't grant birthright citizenship quite as easily as the U.S. A few Americans visiting Canada found that out the hard way. There are some fine grey areas in their laws.
  • tj85016

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    May 16, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    ^^

    Rob, that doesn't mean they (the Chinese) don't try, sort of like that nonsense scam British Columbia tried with that granting citizenship for buying real estate nonsense they tried
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 16, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    Rob, that doesn't mean they (the Chinese) don't try, sort of like that nonsense scam British Columbia tried with that granting citizenship for buying real estate nonsense they tried
    That is with real estate which is a whole different ball of wax. We are talking foreign investment which is occurring in every developed country in the world.
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    May 16, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    ^
    True. I once came close to buying an apartment in North Vancouver. The owner was a Hong Kong Chinese woman who had bought it off-plan. It is simple commerce, that's all. Buying real estate in BC does not bring with it any citizenship or permanent residency rights (or advantages).
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    May 18, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    Regardless of the nationality involved, this scam will persist until we limit birthright citizenship only to kids born of US citizen parents, not those here simply to drop a kid in expectation of all the future benefits that come with doing so.
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    May 18, 2015 7:59 PM GMT
    tj's completely right about Canada. It's a huge problem, and even more, such babies are automatically covered under our healthcare system. As well, in Quebec such kids have access to Quebec's heavily subsidized post secondary Ed system.

    For three years the Feds have considered changing the law so that one parent has to be Canadian, and it has been debated, but no action yet. A host of other countries, such as Australia, and the UK and France have changed the rules already.

    The term is birth tourism.
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    May 18, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    Obama has everything so fucked up by circumventing the Law of the land .

    So it is legal for illegals to enter the country without visas now, the government even providing free room and board and medical but you are busted for tourism?
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    May 18, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    You would have thought that, with Republicans controlling the House and the Senate, this absurdity would have been solved via legislation, in pretty short order. Perhaps they don't view it as a priority.
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    May 18, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidYou would have thought that, with Republicans controlling the House and the Senate, this problem would have been solved via legislation, in pretty short order. Perhaps they don't view it as a priority.


    First, it's clear from his pandering to illegal aliens and their handlers that Obama would have vetoed any such legislation, so that effectively moots that option. Worse, though, the GOP is scared of doing anything that would upset, as they wrongly see it, "Latino voters." Lindsay Graham mentioned doing so several years ago, but quickly backed off it. The GOP is grossly mistaken about how Latino voters feel about this issue; many more than they think recognize it as a scam and want it stopped.
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    May 18, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
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    First, it's clear from his pandering to illegal aliens and their handlers that Obama would have vetoed any such legislation, so that effectively moots that option. Worse, though, the GOP is scared of doing anything that would upset, as they wrongly see it, "Latino voters." Lindsay Graham mentioned doing so several years ago, but quickly backed off it. The GOP is grossly mistaken about how Latino voters feel about this issue; many more than they think recognize it as a scam and want it stopped.


    So, a Republican-controlled Congress won't even try to introduce legislation, if there is the remotest possibility the President may veto it? Has the President said he would veto such legislation?
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    May 19, 2015 1:10 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    MGINSD said
    First, it's clear from his pandering to illegal aliens and their handlers that Obama would have vetoed any such legislation, so that effectively moots that option. Worse, though, the GOP is scared of doing anything that would upset, as they wrongly see it, "Latino voters." Lindsay Graham mentioned doing so several years ago, but quickly backed off it. The GOP is grossly mistaken about how Latino voters feel about this issue; many more than they think recognize it as a scam and want it stopped.


    So, a Republican-controlled Congress won't even try to introduce legislation, if there is the remotest possibility the President may veto it? Has the President said he would veto such legislation?


    He hasn't said so, to my knowledge, but given his permissive record on immigration, I - and apparently most GOPers in Congress - think he would, so they use that excuse, however accurate, to avoid the issue. Still, the larger problem - Obama's a known open borders believer - is the timidity of the GOP Congress on this issue, as contrasted w/ its willingness to repeatedly "vote to repeal Obamacare." The GOP is for the most part running scared on immigration, and, basis of inaccurate info and their assessment thereof.
  • metta

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    May 19, 2015 6:25 AM GMT
    There are some good things that come out of this for America. These people are not generally a burden to the US. They generally already have money, have high paying jobs, they push the schools to provide their children with the best education. Drive through some of the cities mentioned, like Rowland Heights, and almost every shopping center has a store offering tutoring services. It is a stereotype...but the Asian communities tend to push quality education more than other communities. And the future competitiveness of this nation is dependent on places like these. This is what is going to help keep us competitive and advancing with the rest of the World.

    I have a friend that is in a high level administrative position for a small school district that is always at the top of the list for the best public schools in California. It has a very high Asian population. They get students from China whose parents purchase multi-million dollar estates with cash, furnish these homes, hire housekeepers to watch their kids and take care of the home so that they can send their children to the top public school in California with the highest rated ESL program. The parents stay in China, working, while their children live here. And many of these parents donate large sums of money to the school district. I don't think that there is one child in the entire school district whose parents don't hire at least one private tutor. They are not doing it to take advantage of some government program to give them money...they are doing it to provide their children with the best opportunities.
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    May 19, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    I haven't studied this issue but that's ^ a curious take on it. A few other points come to mind along those lines.

    Given the pyramidal scheme of capitalistic economies, without growth, it dies: thus Japan's possible future as its population rapidly ages sans replacement.

    So I googled to find a graph to post of what I thought would show the decline of birthrates here and to my surprise I found not just that, but also decline in immigrant birthrates. So without a continuing influx of new immigrants, how is that not eventually an issue for the expansion or even sustaining of capitalism?

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/11/29/u-s-birth-rate-falls-to-a-record-low-decline-is-greatest-among-immigrants/
    U.S. Birth Rate Falls to a Record Low; Decline Is Greatest Among Immigrants

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    Also with regard to strains of the existing system, I assume expenses for public services (schools, emergency care, some food stamps maybe which won't buy ketchup) but the big expenses of social security and medicare don't kick in without first contributing, the contributions of which, I presume, in turn support the existing pyramid structure.

    So I'd guess that can get out of control, without being watched maybe it overflows, but doesn't this lake require a stream?
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    May 20, 2015 12:15 AM GMT
    Is the opposition against foreign born mothers or non-white ones?
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    May 20, 2015 2:12 PM GMT
    Longblack saidIs the opposition against foreign born mothers or non-white ones?



    Foreign. You surely realize that some will be non-white right? Your question is odd.