Gen 6 - 2016 Camaro introduced today

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    May 16, 2015 10:04 PM GMT
    introduced a few hours ago



    They actually keep this one secret until today. They've been releasing teaser shots, but no real pics of the real car until today.
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    May 16, 2015 10:56 PM GMT
    Looks interesting. I don't like the gigantic lower grill. Just reminds me of the current Toyota grills. But regardless, I'll take the new Camaro over the new Mustang.
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    May 17, 2015 12:20 AM GMT
    I probably won't do one. I'd look silly at my elderly advanced age sporting a Z/28 convertible in exactly that red on the video. I'd look pretend young ..... hmmmmm ....
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    May 17, 2015 12:36 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI probably won't do one. I'd look silly at my elderly advanced age sporting a Z/28 convertible in exactly that red on the video. I'd look pretend young ..... hmmmmm ....


    That's really silly. So you buy a car because of how you assume you'll look to others? That's the worst reason I've ever heard to buy or not buy a car.
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    May 17, 2015 1:03 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI probably won't do one. I'd look silly at my elderly advanced age sporting a Z/28 convertible in exactly that red on the video. I'd look pretend young ..... hmmmmm ....


    That's really silly. So you buy a car because of how you assume you'll look to others? That's the worst reason I've ever heard to buy or not buy a car.


    If I was serious, you'd be quite correct.
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    May 17, 2015 1:44 AM GMT
    The new Camaro looks very nice but I still prefer the camaros from the 1970s, the real muscle cars that could easily squeal and smoke the rear tires.icon_smile.gif
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    May 17, 2015 3:51 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe new Camaro looks very nice but I still prefer the camaros from the 1970s, the real muscle cars that could easily squeal and smoke the rear tires.icon_smile.gif


    69 Z/28 is still my favorite. I really don't like any of the others except this one. Z/28 with RS package to get the hidden headlights. Stock chambered exhaust and with their 'off road' cam so it sounds JUST like this one.



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    May 17, 2015 4:15 AM GMT
    But really, I wouldn't mind a Chevy SS manual. icon_biggrin.gif

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    May 17, 2015 5:19 AM GMT
    xrichx saidBut really, I wouldn't mind a Chevy SS manual. icon_biggrin.gif

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    This is still more likely if it gets more power next year.

    I'm not retired yet and I can get really tall people in the backseat. My G8 has been a great car with only a fog lamp bulb and a key fob as repairs so nothing to fear with the SS.
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    May 17, 2015 8:21 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    xrichx saidBut really, I wouldn't mind a Chevy SS manual. icon_biggrin.gif

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    This is still more likely if it gets more power next year.

    I'm not retired yet and I can get really tall people in the backseat. My G8 has been a great car with only a fog lamp bulb and a key fob as repairs so nothing to fear with the SS.

    More power on the SS? Nice. It would be great to have AWD. But I don't think GM has any sort of performance oriented AWD system?

    I was actually surprised the Dodge Charger has an AWD option.
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    May 17, 2015 8:29 PM GMT
    Not bad. Looks a little better. It looks more like a refresh than an all new chassis. Still looks like it's impossible to see out of.

    The interior HAS to be better. The last few looked like Fisher Price toy buttons and knobs.

    Still the Mustang has a better look. The Ecoboost Mustang has more power than the Camaro's turbo 4. Camaro's V6 got an upgrade (Mustang lost 5 HP in the V6) and the V8s are 30 HP apart. But there is a flat plane 5.2 in the GT350 that has 500+ HP. And an R version....and an upcoming GT500.

    Mustang gained 200 lbs, Camaro lost 200 lbs. They should be close now. Mustang is using the magnetic suspension too.

    The Challenger looks really out of date now.

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    May 17, 2015 10:10 PM GMT
    I don't like it all.
    I like the trans am that Daryl Hannah drives in kill bill
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    May 17, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
    xrichx said
    freedomisntfree said
    xrichx saidBut really, I wouldn't mind a Chevy SS manual. icon_biggrin.gif

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    This is still more likely if it gets more power next year.

    I'm not retired yet and I can get really tall people in the backseat. My G8 has been a great car with only a fog lamp bulb and a key fob as repairs so nothing to fear with the SS.

    More power on the SS? Nice. It would be great to have AWD. But I don't think GM has any sort of performance oriented AWD system?

    I was actually surprised the Dodge Charger has an AWD option.


    I've been toying with the thought of a hellcat, but it's 4,600 pounds. I can't imagine what it would be with AWD. I know other chargers are available with it, but I don't think the hellcat is. And if I had 700hp I would likely use it, but you can't because everyone is slowing down in front of you thinking you are the Ohio Highway patrol.

    It's a hell of an achievement from Chrysler to do a high 10 second, well over 200mph large car for a reasonable price . We'll probably never see anything like this again with a V8.
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    May 19, 2015 1:11 AM GMT
    More on 6th Gen design



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    May 20, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    I find it very interesting, the 2016 Camaro profile is a shorter wheel base much more in line with its foreign competitors current model Genesis Coupe, new 2015 Mustang and current Dodge Challenger


    Us Gen Coupe fans are patiently waiting on the all new 2016-2017 upscale model that will leave the American pony cars to themselves. This new generation Camaro I like since the '69 F body but still wont buy a GM due to its quality last, profits first culture



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    May 20, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
    ELNathB saidI find it very interesting, the 2016 Camaro profile is a shorter wheel base much more in line with its foreign competitors current model Genesis Coupe, new 2015 Mustang and current Dodge Challenger


    Us Gen Coupe fans are patiently waiting on the all new 2016-2017 upscale model that will leave the American pony cars to themselves. This new generation Camaro I like since the '69 F body but still wont buy a GM due to its quality last, profits first culture



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    "GM due to its quality last"

    Where have you been the decade or so?
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    May 20, 2015 1:03 AM GMT

    This new model needs 1st gen "the spoiler"


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    This new model needs 1st gen "the spoiler"


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    Not often we agree, but this time, yes.
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    May 20, 2015 1:26 AM GMT
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    ELNathB saidI find it very interesting, the 2016 Camaro profile is a shorter wheel base much more in line with its foreign competitors current model Genesis Coupe, new 2015 Mustang and current Dodge Challenger


    Us Gen Coupe fans are patiently waiting on the all new 2016-2017 upscale model that will leave the American pony cars to themselves. This new generation Camaro I like since the '69 F body but still wont buy a GM due to its quality last, profits first culture



    "GM due to its quality last"

    Where have you been the decade or so?



    I have done my own RCCA with the public court evidence and its obvious, to us Quality experts, that GM management created a "hush and shaming culture" for anyone raising Quality manufacturing problems because in the last decade profits mattered more than even safety (if I remember, long time CEO Rick Waggoner, I am sure, a Republican, who created this culture, was fired by the government when it bailed out GM). Trust, respect and loyalty is not a given, but earned. As far as I am concerned, a potential customer, GM has not earned any of these in my book or showed any signs of culture change, they didn't fire any management, while we all know they are the cause, 80% of the time (Deming), what happened to GM, more than a decade ago, deregulation, that is where they failed and I no longer trust or respect them, it was a good thing the government took over, GM Quality (regulation) has improved since icon_rolleyes.gif



    GM ignition switch deaths hit 104, May 19, 2015
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/05/19/gm-ignition-switch-deaths-104/27568505/

    A few of the automakers' engineers knew about the problem at least by 2003. Some GM attorneys knew by early 2013 that there were deaths that may have been caused by the defect, but the company didn't begin recalling the models in question until February 2014
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    May 20, 2015 1:49 AM GMT
    ELNathB said
    freedomisntfree said
    ELNathB saidI find it very interesting, the 2016 Camaro profile is a shorter wheel base much more in line with its foreign competitors current model Genesis Coupe, new 2015 Mustang and current Dodge Challenger


    Us Gen Coupe fans are patiently waiting on the all new 2016-2017 upscale model that will leave the American pony cars to themselves. This new generation Camaro I like since the '69 F body but still wont buy a GM due to its quality last, profits first culture



    "GM due to its quality last"

    Where have you been the decade or so?



    I have done my own RCCA with the public court evidence and its obvious, to us Quality experts, that GM management created a "hush and shaming culture" for anyone raising Quality manufacturing problems because in the last decade profits mattered more than even safety (if I remember, long time CEO Rick Waggoner, I am sure, a Republican, who created this culture, was fired by the government when it bailed out GM). Trust, respect and loyalty is not a given, but earned. As far as I am concerned, a potential customer, GM has not earned any of these in my book or showed any signs of culture change, they didn't fire any management, while we all know they are the cause, 80% of the time (Deming), what happened to GM, more than a decade ago, deregulation, that is where they failed and I no longer trust or respect them icon_rolleyes.gif



    GM ignition switch deaths hit 104, May 19, 2015
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/05/19/gm-ignition-switch-deaths-104/27568505/

    A few of the automakers' engineers knew about the problem at least by 2003. Some GM attorneys knew by early 2013 that there were deaths that may have been caused by the defect, but the company didn't begin recalling the models in question until February 2014


    "who created this culture"

    And again, wrong. Roger Smith.

    You're a decade out on your other 'perceptions'
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    May 20, 2015 1:55 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    ELNathB said
    freedomisntfree said
    ELNathB saidI find it very interesting, the 2016 Camaro profile is a shorter wheel base much more in line with its foreign competitors current model Genesis Coupe, new 2015 Mustang and current Dodge Challenger


    Us Gen Coupe fans are patiently waiting on the all new 2016-2017 upscale model that will leave the American pony cars to themselves. This new generation Camaro I like since the '69 F body but still wont buy a GM due to its quality last, profits first culture



    "GM due to its quality last"

    Where have you been the decade or so?



    I have done my own RCCA with the public court evidence and its obvious, to us Quality experts, that GM management created a "hush and shaming culture" for anyone raising Quality manufacturing problems because in the last decade profits mattered more than even safety (if I remember, long time CEO Rick Waggoner, I am sure, a Republican, who created this culture, was fired by the government when it bailed out GM). Trust, respect and loyalty is not a given, but earned. As far as I am concerned, a potential customer, GM has not earned any of these in my book or showed any signs of culture change, they didn't fire any management, while we all know they are the cause, 80% of the time (Deming), what happened to GM, more than a decade ago, deregulation, that is where they failed and I no longer trust or respect them icon_rolleyes.gif



    GM ignition switch deaths hit 104, May 19, 2015
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/05/19/gm-ignition-switch-deaths-104/27568505/

    A few of the automakers' engineers knew about the problem at least by 2003. Some GM attorneys knew by early 2013 that there were deaths that may have been caused by the defect, but the company didn't begin recalling the models in question until February 2014


    "who created this culture"

    And again, wrong. Roger Smith.

    You're a decade out on your other 'perceptions'




    The important thing is, that GM's Quality (regulation) has improved since the Democratic government, took over a Republican "free market" business model. CEO Rick Wagoner was fired 2 months after the end of Republican controlled presidency icon_rolleyes.gif


    Rick Wagoner
    Formerly Chairman & CEO of General Motors (2000-2009)

    George Richard "Rick" Wagoner, Jr. (born February 9, 1953) is an American businessman and former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Motors. Wagoner resigned as Chairman and CEO at General Motors on March 29, 2009, at the request of the White House.[2][3][4] The latter part of Wagoner's tenure as CEO of General Motors found him under heavy criticism as the market valuation of GM went down by more than 90% and the company lost more than $82 billion USD. This led to his being named one of the worst CEOs of 2008

    Republican President George W. Bush
    In office January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009
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    May 20, 2015 3:35 AM GMT
    ELNathB said
    freedomisntfree said
    ELNathB said
    freedomisntfree said
    ELNathB saidI find it very interesting, the 2016 Camaro profile is a shorter wheel base much more in line with its foreign competitors current model Genesis Coupe, new 2015 Mustang and current Dodge Challenger


    Us Gen Coupe fans are patiently waiting on the all new 2016-2017 upscale model that will leave the American pony cars to themselves. This new generation Camaro I like since the '69 F body but still wont buy a GM due to its quality last, profits first culture



    "GM due to its quality last"

    Where have you been the decade or so?



    I have done my own RCCA with the public court evidence and its obvious, to us Quality experts, that GM management created a "hush and shaming culture" for anyone raising Quality manufacturing problems because in the last decade profits mattered more than even safety (if I remember, long time CEO Rick Waggoner, I am sure, a Republican, who created this culture, was fired by the government when it bailed out GM). Trust, respect and loyalty is not a given, but earned. As far as I am concerned, a potential customer, GM has not earned any of these in my book or showed any signs of culture change, they didn't fire any management, while we all know they are the cause, 80% of the time (Deming), what happened to GM, more than a decade ago, deregulation, that is where they failed and I no longer trust or respect them icon_rolleyes.gif



    GM ignition switch deaths hit 104, May 19, 2015
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/05/19/gm-ignition-switch-deaths-104/27568505/

    A few of the automakers' engineers knew about the problem at least by 2003. Some GM attorneys knew by early 2013 that there were deaths that may have been caused by the defect, but the company didn't begin recalling the models in question until February 2014


    "who created this culture"

    And again, wrong. Roger Smith.

    You're a decade out on your other 'perceptions'




    The important thing is, that GM's Quality (regulation) has improved since the Democratic government, took over a Republican "free market" business model. CEO Rick Wagoner was fired 2 months after the end of Republican controlled presidency icon_rolleyes.gif


    Rick Wagoner
    Formerly Chairman & CEO of General Motors (2000-2009)

    George Richard "Rick" Wagoner, Jr. (born February 9, 1953) is an American businessman and former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Motors. Wagoner resigned as Chairman and CEO at General Motors on March 29, 2009, at the request of the White House.[2][3][4] The latter part of Wagoner's tenure as CEO of General Motors found him under heavy criticism as the market valuation of GM went down by more than 90% and the company lost more than $82 billion USD. This led to his being named one of the worst CEOs of 2008

    Republican President George W. Bush
    In office January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009


    "CEO Rick Waggoner, I am sure, a Republican, who created this culture"

    How 'bout those fag hatin' UAW leadership and members who just incidentally happen to be democrats? No blame for those folks over the last 40 years?

    No, Disagree. Don't give a flyin fuck what Wiki says. Rick was a good man, but he was followed by CFO Fritz who was OK at best, and then Big Ed who wasn't quite as bad as I orginally thought he'd be, but didn't know shit about product and from AT&T and all. Then Lt. Dan (Rattner's pick btw) who the only good thing he did was set Mary up for CEO over Mark. My personal pick would have been Mark, but Mara has been great (the first female major auto company CEO).

    The big fall was 73 with the A & G body and 71 with the B & C-body. Rick was still in school. If I was going to name one person most responsible (and frankly there are many) for the GM slide it would be Roger Smith. Bob and then Lloyd (Mark's dad), both engineers, I knew both men, weren't able to right the ship.

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    May 20, 2015 3:59 AM GMT
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