Why race is the main reason the murderous bloodbath in Waco was handled with velvet gloves

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    May 19, 2015 2:20 PM GMT
    In Waco, Texas, when one of the deadliest, bloodiest, most violent rampages in modern America happened, the National Guard wasn't called in, the perpetrators weren't beaten or pepper-sprayed, nobody was hogtied or humiliated, the dogs weren't brought out to intimidate anyone. Hell, they didn't even handcuff them or take their phones away. Instead, they just sat them down on the sidewalk peacefully.

    Time after time, all around the country, protestors—particularly African-American protestors—have been brutalized by police. That's why, in part, it is so disturbing to see men, apparently all white men, who actually murdered and maimed others, treated with so much dignity and deference.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/18/1385588/-Why-race-is-the-main-reason-the-murderous-bloodbath-in-Waco-was-romanticized-w-velvet-gloves?detail=email
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    May 19, 2015 2:23 PM GMT
    likely some but probably most of the dead were shot by police.
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    May 19, 2015 2:46 PM GMT
    pellaz saidlikely some but probably most of the dead were shot by police.

    Nobody knows yet. But even before this article I was struck by photos that showed these gang members just sitting around like they were taking a break. Did we see that in Baltimore with Blacks? Or in St. Louis?

    Maybe Whites are just naturally well behaved. After all, only 9 were stabbed and shot to death, with another 18 suffering stab and bullet wounds, along with injuries from chains.

    Somehow I doubt the police were stabbing people or whipping chains at anyone. Sounds like a classic motorcycle gang fight.

    But these guys are allowed to sit there calmly, using their cell phones, no restraints on them at all. "Hey, you guys just sit there while we process you for arrest. In the meantime, phone your friends or legal counsel if you like." WTF??? Have they been searched? In a search you remove cell phones.

    So I understand this article's amazement at these photos, and this procedure. You have potential killers sitting there, with felony evidence to be promptly seized before it gets disposed. Is this the best you can do?
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    May 19, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
    And now we have learned that a bulletin was sent out to the gang with the order to shoot anyone in uniform, so these people were actually out to kill cops.
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    Imagine if the news did the same thing as they did to Baltimore.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/biker-gangs-shootout-waco_n_7305706.html

    "So here we have established criminal networks with a history of well-armed brutality endangering their neighborhoods. Surely all Americans should be concerned about the role these mainly white gangs play in the disintegration of the nation's white communities and the scourge of white-on-white crime. Surely all of this will be discussed on cable news panels and talk radio over the coming days. Surely."

    Now if they were black...
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    Glaring double standard.
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    James_Thunder_Early saidAnd now we have learned that a bulletin was sent out to the gang with the order to shoot anyone in uniform, so these people were actually out to kill cops.

    Yeah, but the gang members were White, so they get a pass.
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    May 19, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
    pellaz saidthe white cops were working that day and couldn't attend the TwinPeaks brunch themselves.


    Exactly.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 19, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    I guess because Waco has been trying to repair its sullied civic image thanks to the Branch Dividian fiasco back in 1993 that occurred roughly twenty miles east of Waco but thanks to the lying, sensationalist news media this city's name ended up attached to that tragedy. Any type of violent unrest and police brutality would have severely damaged Waco's civic reputation for years to come. Please keep in mind that Waco is in stiff competition with Dallas, Fort Worth, Temple-Killeen, Austin-San Marcos, and San Antonio in the attraction and retention of business and industry. Any violent outbursts would have completely destroyed Waco's efforts to strengthen its economy and tax base.
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    May 19, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIn Waco, Texas, when one of the deadliest, bloodiest, most violent rampages in modern America happened, the National Guard wasn't called in, the perpetrators weren't beaten or pepper-sprayed, nobody was hogtied or humiliated, the dogs weren't brought out to intimidate anyone. Hell, they didn't even handcuff them or take their phones away. Instead, they just sat them down on the sidewalk peacefully.

    Time after time, all around the country, protestors—particularly African-American protestors—have been brutalized by police. That's why, in part, it is so disturbing to see men, apparently all white men, who actually murdered and maimed others, treated with so much dignity and deference.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/18/1385588/-Why-race-is-the-main-reason-the-murderous-bloodbath-in-Waco-was-romanticized-w-velvet-gloves?detail=email


    Odd how 'White Biker Gangs' can sit peacefully while Thugs cannot.
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    May 20, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    Imagine if the news did the same thing as they did to Baltimore.

    Oh... You're using the famous "imagine if" theory of dealing with reality. For you to say that it's pretty clear your brain is still shut off. The whole thing in Waco was over before every reporter in the media could get there. But go ahead and show us how dumb you are by imagining shit that doesn't exist in reality and base your opinions on your imagination instead of facts.

    pellaz saidlikely some but probably most of the dead were shot by police.

    "likely.. but.. probably.. most.." ???? WTF???
    Wouldn't it have been easier just to say you don't know WTF you're talking about so you're going to but on your magician cape and pull an adjective, a conjunction, an adverb and a determinant pronoun out of your butt ?
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    Art_Deco said
    Nobody knows yet. But even before this article I was struck by photos that showed these gang members just sitting around like they were taking a break. Did we see that in Baltimore with Blacks? Or in St. Louis?

    Of course you didn't see it in Baltimore or St. Louis you stupid lying Cucking Funt. The whole damned shoot out in Waco lasted less than 30 minutes... not going on and on and on and on like the riots, burnings, beatings, lootings, vandalism that you got to see in Baltimore and St. Louis. In Waco the mayor didn't intervene to give space to people who wanted to destroy or stab or shoot... In Waco there was no one inciting the crowd by standing on the hood of a car yelling "burn this mother fucker down, burn this mother fucker down, burn this mother fucker down, burn this mother fucker down...."

    Art_Deco said But these guys are allowed to sit there calmly, using their cell phones, no restraints on them at all. "Hey, you guys just sit there while we process you for arrest. In the meantime, phone your friends or legal counsel if you like." WTF??? Have they been searched? In a search you remove cell phones.

    With all your well documented mental health issues, you of all people are the most wrong one in RJ to try to second guess what the police how the Waco Police Department, McLennan County Sheriff Dept. Texas State Police, ATF and FBI were handling the situation by the few pictures you and others have seen. Go start a thread about trying to buy a kilt to fit your fucking dishwasher... or about all your fly fishing trips that have been ruined by all those fat people you hate for using electric shopping carts.
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    May 20, 2015 3:52 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Art_Deco saidIn Waco, Texas, when one of the deadliest, bloodiest, most violent rampages in modern America happened, the National Guard wasn't called in, the perpetrators weren't beaten or pepper-sprayed, nobody was hogtied or humiliated, the dogs weren't brought out to intimidate anyone. Hell, they didn't even handcuff them or take their phones away. Instead, they just sat them down on the sidewalk peacefully.

    Time after time, all around the country, protestors—particularly African-American protestors—have been brutalized by police. That's why, in part, it is so disturbing to see men, apparently all white men, who actually murdered and maimed others, treated with so much dignity and deference.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/18/1385588/-Why-race-is-the-main-reason-the-murderous-bloodbath-in-Waco-was-romanticized-w-velvet-gloves?detail=email


    Odd how 'White Biker Gangs' can sit peacefully while Thugs cannot.


    And how odd that you don't refer to the biker gang members as thugs.
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    May 20, 2015 4:01 AM GMT
    I dunno, mostly a straight mens hobby, some bikers are not gang members, I will just stick to car modding F&F style icon_neutral.gif




    Mugshots: Texas biker shootout
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/us/gallery/texas-biker-mugshots/index.html

    Unusually large number of deaths at this year's rally
    http://rapidcityjournal.com/sturgisrallydaily/news/unusually-large-number-of-deaths-at-this-year-s-rally/article_8bb1f660-981e-5a6f-9a59-6cee28616ffd.html

    Item | Sturgis | Rapid City | Total | Last Year to Date

    DUI Arrests: 199, 32, 231, 226

    Misd Drug Arrests: 134, 57, 191, 160

    Felony Drug Arrests: 30, 20, 50, 34

    Other Felony Arrests: 5, 1, 6, 2

    Total Citations: 843, 506, 1349, 1061

    Total Warnings: 3113, 1265, 4378, 3767

    Cash Seized: $0, $11,900, $11,900, $9,368

    Concealed Weap. Arrests: 2, 1, 3, 0

    Vehicles Seized: 8, 0, 8, 7

    For Drug Poss.: 8, 0, 8, 7

    Non-Injury Accidents: 9, 21, 30, 44

    Injury Accidents: 31, 30, 61, 45

    Fatal Accidents: 2, 4, 6, 7

    Fatalities: 2, 4, 6, 8


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    conservativejock said
    Art_Deco saidIn Waco, Texas, when one of the deadliest, bloodiest, most violent rampages in modern America happened, the National Guard wasn't called in, the perpetrators weren't beaten or pepper-sprayed, nobody was hogtied or humiliated, the dogs weren't brought out to intimidate anyone. Hell, they didn't even handcuff them or take their phones away. Instead, they just sat them down on the sidewalk peacefully.

    Time after time, all around the country, protestors—particularly African-American protestors—have been brutalized by police. That's why, in part, it is so disturbing to see men, apparently all white men, who actually murdered and maimed others, treated with so much dignity and deference.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/18/1385588/-Why-race-is-the-main-reason-the-murderous-bloodbath-in-Waco-was-romanticized-w-velvet-gloves?detail=email


    Odd how 'White Biker Gangs' can sit peacefully while Thugs cannot.


    And how odd that you don't refer to the biker gang members as thugs.



    Thugs all the same but some bikers are not criminals


    White bikers, black thugs: Why Texas looked to relax gun laws after biker shootout
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/05/19/white-bikers-black-thugs-why-texas-looked-to-relax-gun-laws-after-biker-shootout/


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    May 20, 2015 7:47 AM GMT
    One is amazed at how racist & bigoted America still is.icon_redface.gif
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    May 20, 2015 2:07 PM GMT
    A pretty weak blog post. To compare Baltimore and this situation is a real stretch.
    Waco has a population of 129,000, Baltimore is 5x that.

    Clearly the amount of people arrested and scope of the situation created that scene of people sitting in the street.

    9 gang members presumably died. 18 still in the hospital and 170 in jail.

    It apparently started with a "biker" meeting. A biker gang not invited showed up and a fight started.


    The picture this "blogger" used doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove that these bikers were arrested at all. Its a picture. Maybe they were only just present and others had been already arrested. Maybe they were waiting to be questioned. So how does a small police department arrest 170 people and intervene in a small war with 9 dead?

    How do they detain all of them , all of them without a fight in jail? A cage match maybe?

    The police are still trying to determine by whose shots those 9 men were killed (police, or opposing gang members)?

    Also consider, this was not a protest gathering. No curfew was in place . Not all are white either, ( look at the mugshots). The city was not set on fire the night prior in Waco.

    The second picture apparently shows someone violating a curfew apparently hogtied. The middle officer appears to be smiling/grimacing. Not so uncommon when lifting something heavy by the way. It doesn't mean it was a gleeful situation.

    Turning this into a race issue dilutes all the real race issues. This is an organized crime issue, and should be reported as such.
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    May 20, 2015 2:10 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    Imagine if the news did the same thing as they did to Baltimore.

    Oh... You're using the famous "imagine if" theory of dealing with reality. For you to say that it's pretty clear your brain is still shut off. The whole thing in Waco was over before every reporter in the media could get there. But go ahead and show us how dumb you are by imagining shit that doesn't exist in reality and base your opinions on your imagination instead of facts.

    pellaz saidlikely some but probably most of the dead were shot by police.

    "likely.. but.. probably.. most.." ???? WTF???
    Wouldn't it have been easier just to say you don't know WTF you're talking about so you're going to but on your magician cape and pull an adjective, a conjunction, an adverb and a determinant pronoun out of your butt ?
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    Art_Deco said
    Nobody knows yet. But even before this article I was struck by photos that showed these gang members just sitting around like they were taking a break. Did we see that in Baltimore with Blacks? Or in St. Louis?

    Of course you didn't see it in Baltimore or St. Louis you stupid lying Cucking Funt. The whole damned shoot out in Waco lasted less than 30 minutes... not going on and on and on and on like the riots, burnings, beatings, lootings, vandalism that you got to see in Baltimore and St. Louis. In Waco the mayor didn't intervene to give space to people who wanted to destroy or stab or shoot... In Waco there was no one inciting the crowd by standing on the hood of a car yelling "burn this mother fucker down, burn this mother fucker down, burn this mother fucker down, burn this mother fucker down...."

    Art_Deco said But these guys are allowed to sit there calmly, using their cell phones, no restraints on them at all. "Hey, you guys just sit there while we process you for arrest. In the meantime, phone your friends or legal counsel if you like." WTF??? Have they been searched? In a search you remove cell phones.

    With all your well documented mental health issues, you of all people are the most wrong one in RJ to try to second guess what the police how the Waco Police Department, McLennan County Sheriff Dept. Texas State Police, ATF and FBI were handling the situation by the few pictures you and others have seen. Go start a thread about trying to buy a kilt to fit your fucking dishwasher... or about all your fly fishing trips that have been ruined by all those fat people you hate for using electric shopping carts.
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    bobobob, if you don't mind, some of us are a little above thinking like a 6 year old. I'm sorry you're having trouble with that.

    The fact is, a white crime event is being treated differently than one predominantly black one. The article points this out rather glaringly. Send the huffpost your giant-font circular rant. I'm not interested.
  • bobbobbob

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    May 20, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    I don't recall even worrying if you'd be interested. You have your hands full imagining shit with no basis in reality that you want to do the Chicken Little dance over.

    You've already proven you don't use reason or even common sense in your OPs when you asserted that "you thought/imagined the riots in Baltimore were due to the police force being 60% white - and COULD NOT explain your reasoning for saying that even thought you were asked three times. After that it was a safe assumption you pulled idea out of your ass... like the list of the 10 poorest counties in the US that you said were Republican. You definitely pulled seven out of ten of those counties out of your ass because they were Democratic by wide margins, weren't they? There's a whole friggin thread inspired by your dishonesty, isn't there?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4047136

    There's no amount of spinable inane bullshit and imagining that can ever establish a rational parallel between events in Waco and Baltimore. But as they say, in a way... shit in one hand, imagine in the other ...and see which one this thread smells like.

    Just because you say dumb shit with acceptable grammar doesn't make it true or that I'm not going to call you out on bullshit you like to invent and imagine.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 21, 2015 1:56 PM GMT
    musclmed saidA pretty weak blog post. To compare Baltimore and this situation is a real stretch.
    Waco has a population of 129,000, Baltimore is 5x that.

    Clearly the amount of people arrested and scope of the situation created that scene of people sitting in the street.

    9 gang members presumably died. 18 still in the hospital and 170 in jail.

    It apparently started with a "biker" meeting. A biker gang not invited showed up and a fight started.


    The picture this "blogger" used doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove that these bikers were arrested at all. Its a picture. Maybe they were only just present and others had been already arrested. Maybe they were waiting to be questioned. So how does a small police department arrest 170 people and intervene in a small war with 9 dead?

    How do they detain all of them , all of them without a fight in jail? A cage match maybe?

    The police are still trying to determine by whose shots those 9 men were killed (police, or opposing gang members)?

    Also consider, this was not a protest gathering. No curfew was in place . Not all are white either, ( look at the mugshots). The city was not set on fire the night prior in Waco.

    The second picture apparently shows someone violating a curfew apparently hogtied. The middle officer appears to be smiling/grimacing. Not so uncommon when lifting something heavy by the way. It doesn't mean it was a gleeful situation.

    Turning this into a race issue dilutes all the real race issues. This is an organized crime issue, and should be reported as such.
    At the rate Baltimore is losing population, it might not be five times larger than Waco. In fact, Waco is growing steadily in population and it is picking up steam. This is why this violent incident was handled by police the way it was to avoid a negative dose of publicity that could hurt Waco's civic image.
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    btw,.....here roadbikerob, the next time you start flapping your gums about me commenting on US stuff, consider giving that message to your own fearless leaders:



    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/20/jeb-bush-stephen-harper-2015-election_n_7346398.html
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    May 22, 2015 11:00 PM GMT

    Oh Dear, does not surprise out of TX, but DoD? icon_eek.gif



    Leaked Report Profiles Military, Police Members of Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/atf-report-warned-military-government-membership-outlaw-motorcycle-gangs/


    Nuclear power plant technicians, senior military officers, FBI contractors and an employee of “a highly-secretive Department of Defense agency” with a Top Secret clearance. Those are just a few of the more than 100 people with sensitive military and government connections that law enforcement is tracking because they are linked to “outlaw motorcycle gangs.”

    The report lays out, in almost obsessive detail, the extent to which OMG members are represented in nearly every part of the military, and in federal and local government, from police and fire departments to state utility agencies. Specific examples from the report include dozens of Defense Department contractors with Secret or Top Secret clearances; multiple FBI contractors; radiological technicians with security clearances; U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees; Army, Navy and Air Force active-duty personnel, including from the special operations force community; and police officers.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/atf-report-warned-military-government-membership-outlaw-motorcycle-gangs/