All web browsers are the same, right?

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    Jan 26, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    I use internet explorer because I figure there's no advantage in swapping over to Chrome or Mozilla.

    Am I missing anything?
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    Jan 26, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    nope they are not...here is the list:

    Internet Explorer -> oooopsss I dont know how to render this page icon_sad.gif
    Firefox -> Im the best!
    Opera -> Hey!!!! Im damn good too, but nobody knows me!!!
    Safari -> Hehe Im coming for you...little dirty fox
    Chrome -> You all shut the fuck up, Im gonna take you all down !!!!! bitches
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    Jan 26, 2009 7:08 PM GMT
    Now talking seriously....please say NO to drugs and NO to Internet Explorer.

    Web Designers always have problems with Internet Explorer, basically with Internet Explorer 6 which is still being used(thanks god 5 disappeared).

    But trying not to get into a technical explanation about this topic, basically the problem is that there are standards to code websites, this standards exist regardless of which browser there is out there. Some browsers have problems when it comes to respect those standards and the same web page that looks perfect in some browsers might look really weird in others. Usually designers have to put some extra code so that for instance Internet Explorer dont mess up the whole layout, without that extra code a page that looks great in Safari, Firefox and Opera looks all messy in Internet Explorer. This translates into more work for the web designer. Here im just talking about design, there are also applications that can give problems when you switch browsers, they run good in some agents but they dont in others. But if you would really like to get into this topic just search how browsers differ when they have to deal with the following technologies: CSS, XHTML, JavaScript, DOM and XmlHttpRequest.

    Finally you have the usability and performance of the browser, meaning how fast they can render a website, how fast they process JavaScript etc. Safari and Firefox are pretty good, I strongly recommend any of them, but im also testing Chrome and so far it seems pretty good, but kinda buggy, however it is still a Beta. Lets see how that goes.

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    Jan 26, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    Cheers Charlitos! So Mozilla Firefox is actually quicker? That can't be bad.

    I'd never heard of Safari icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 26, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    Lost_In_The_Mail saidCheers Charlitos! So Mozilla Firefox is actually quicker? That can't be bad.

    I'd never heard of Safari icon_wink.gif


    Safari is the default browser for Macs, you can also run it on windows though. It belongs to apple. You can actually have more than one browser in your computer, I have 5 cause I need to test how my designs render in all of them. You can try to install Safari too and see if you like it better, you can get it from apple.com, browsers are free
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    Jan 26, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    You seem like a good man to know with technical questions.

    I think I might be going on Safari....
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    Jan 26, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    Firefox isn't faster then internet explorer, it'll take longer to load up and browsing the internet will be slightly (slighting as in only a fraction) slower... however the trade off is the plugins, you can get plugins for firefox that will do everything you could imagine

    Safari is a good browser, however, it hasn't been tested to be secure and its had a few problems lately however, it will render pages faster then firefox or ie, hence it feeling faster.

    Internet explorer is just shit, however its still a popular browser, its fastish, moderately secure, will let you catch all sorts of shit and honestly, isn't very good..

    Opera, is actually an alright browser, unfortunately it never took off because it originally was payed software and they became free to late, there market shart is tiny, however they are a secure browser, good speed.

    Chrome, I've been hearing good things about this, however, there is no chrome for mac yet, I've used it though a bit, its stable, fast, easy to use, if it weren't so new and beta I might recommend it..

    as it stands firefox if the top of the heap right now and will be for a while, I can't recommend safari because its not completely proven on the windows platform, opera is good if you wanna be a little unique hehe or chrome if you like jumping on that new bandwagon otherwise get your self the latest in firefox.
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    Jan 26, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    Internet Explorer is really slow when it comes to run javascript, but its faster with HTML code. Anyways you can find comparison charts everywhere in the internet with more detailed information. Internet Explorer 8 b does seems to have a better performance, I have it running on Windows 7 b and so far it seems pretty good, yet some problems with CSS rendering havent been fixed as usual.

    Also as lilTanker said Firefox's pluggings are just a very good asset, thats whats stopping me right now from switching, i kinda got used to a bunch of very useful pluggings i cant just live without.

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    Jan 26, 2009 8:52 PM GMT
    Well, from a non-techie perspective, you've got to admit that Safari's got the best name by far icon_wink.gif

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    I'm interested you're both saying ditch internet explorer. I'll check out the competition.
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    Jan 26, 2009 9:11 PM GMT
    The Firefox plugins make it worth it, imo.

    -I have a plugin for blocking ads (it's like they don't exist)
    -a plugin blocking aing flash media (including the playlists in RJ profiles, they don't play unless I tell them to!)
    -a plugin for downloading youtube flv files, embedded video, and mp3 files
    -a plugin for downloading all the pictures and anything you want to get off a webpage with just a click
    -a plugin for converting pdf files into html files
    -a plugin that automatically stops scripts from executing (some of them are dangerous in that they install files into your pc without you knowing, most of these 'attack' sites are automatically blocked now though)
    -a plugin for changing the look of the browser
    -a plugin for saving my bookmarks regularly in case something goes wrong
    -a plugin for switching winamp songs in-browser
    -a plugin for accessing our ftp server through the browser
    -a plugin for total stealth surfing by proxy
    -a plugin that saves an entire webpage into an image file

    How nifty is that? There are tons more, these are just the ones I use. You can basically customize the browser to fit your needs. So go FireFox!

    Just one thing though: Absolutely stop using Internet Explorer. It sucks ass. It used to suck a lot more. Being one of the browsers with the most security problems, I think they fixed that somewhat with the new IE. Honestly, the only reason it remains so popular is because it's the default browser in PC's

    P.S. Plus, FireFox is opensource. It's made by people who exist on donations. Anyone can dismantle its code and build something out of it if they want (i.e. in all senses, you own all rights to it too), unlike the other popular browsers which are proprietary.

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    Jan 26, 2009 11:49 PM GMT

    After awhile you get sick of seeing this:

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    ...and you'll make the change to Firefox.
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    Jan 26, 2009 11:53 PM GMT
    charlitos saidnope they are not...here is the list:

    Internet Explorer -> oooopsss I dont know how to render this page icon_sad.gif
    Firefox -> Im the best!
    Opera -> Hey!!!! Im damn good too, but nobody knows me!!!
    Safari -> Hehe Im coming for you...little dirty fox
    Chrome -> You all shut the fuck up, Im gonna take you all down !!!!! bitches


    Safari is actually better than firefox. firefox is always freezing up and safari rarely if ever does so
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    Jan 26, 2009 11:55 PM GMT
    I have an iMac and use the Safari browser that came with it.

    Once in a great while there will be a site that doesn't work completely on Safari, so I have Firefox for those few sites.

    I agree, download several browsers and see which one you like best.
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    Jan 26, 2009 11:55 PM GMT
    IE sucks, by almost any measure. It's not uniform in its implementation; it's not standards compliant; Active X is a failed technology; it has GAPING security holes.

    Firefox is nearly 100% standards compliant; has a bunch of tools and plug-ins; generally works right except for an occasional memory leak or cookie gotcha'.

    Safari, Netscape, Chrome, Opera, also are better choices than IE. IE is just horrible.

    What amazes me is the developers that don't ever bother to see if their crappy Javascript works in any other browser than IE. What also amazes me is various tools on mega-sites (e.g. Verizon Wireless with 80 MILLION customers) that don't test against the Mozilla code base.

    For the moment, Chrome renders stuff up a bit faster than the others, but, that can change moment to moment.

    Logan (flex89) and I have done battle convincing know-it-alls that IE has a problem with form elements and the like. Only after we show them do they finally admit that M$ is defective out of the box. Any REGULAR business would have been sued out of existence YEARS AGO.

    IE is the Little Miss Piggy That Couldn't.
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    Jan 26, 2009 11:57 PM GMT
    The Firefox addins are awesome, I have to say. I have one that blocks ads and one called Cooliris that it's great for doing picture searches quickly.

    Chrome is noticeably fast. Anything that uses Java to run is like lightening in Chrome. Try an online chat client or even YouTube. I'd probably use it as my preferred browser, but I'm a bit blind, so I like to have the Web zoomed in a bit. Firefox zooms flawlessly and remembers your zoom settings for each website. Chrome hasn't got that working properly yet.

    I just read that IE had release 8 today, so I'll download that and give it a look. It's making big claims. I have to use IE when I buy music from my ISP because they only support Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. icon_evil.gif
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    Jan 26, 2009 11:59 PM GMT
    Firefox has the nice little feature of being able to run up 500 MB process memory <3 thank you Firefox. In spite of this I still prefer it over IE.
  • somedaytoo

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    Jan 27, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    Most browsers have security holes. Only Microsoft patches on a monthly basis. If course it has the most exploit attempts. It the most widely used. Stay tuned for IE 8. Sure to be a vast improvement and fix any rendering issues.
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    Jan 27, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    Internet Explorer is a PIECE OF SHIT.

    Firefox is industry-standard for web development. Web pages are practically guaranteed to work no matter what when you use Firefox because most sites are built against Firefox.

    Internet Explorer is by no means standards-compliant and frequently you'll see web pages "break" after a hefty update. It's also the biggest security risk because Microsoft's idea of a security patch is a little popup that says "DON'T DO IT!!".

    My only bitch about Firefox is the massive memory leak. If you leave it up for six hours, it'll be eating away at about 300,000 Kb of memory.

    Google Chrome is actually pretty damn nice, but some sites look kinda goofy depending on how they're constructed. The browser is multi-threaded and extremely fast, but it doesn't have extensive JavaScript support and you won't be able to use sites like Facebook because of it, though they may have changed this in the latest version.

    Safari uses the same rendering engine as Chrome, but I don't like everything having Mac-buttons and making my Windows desktop look like shit. (I rarely use it and can't tell you a whole lot about it!)

    Opera, is, well, the dorky girl in the room who does everything right and gets straight A's, but no one knows about. Opera is 100% standards-compliant and will work no matter what.

    Both Opera and Firefox have a large selection of plugins so you can garbage-up your toolbar with web developer tools and just about anything else you can think of!
  • DCEric

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    Jan 27, 2009 12:26 AM GMT
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    ...because someone has to post it.
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    Jan 27, 2009 12:29 AM GMT
    Windows Sucks and Internet explorer is the worst thing ever. I am a Mac. Safari is so far the best browser.
  • OMGitsRoy

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    Jan 27, 2009 12:31 AM GMT

    i'm a Safari guy.....not as fast as firefox but its just so sleek and pretty icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 27, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    I absolutely hate Internet Explorer. I think IE7 has managed to be the worst product Microsoft has ever produced.

    Unfortunately, there are a few (thankfully very few) things that really do seem to need IE to render correctly. One of them is Outlook Web Access, if you access your Outlook mail via Exchange over the web.

    For everything else, I use Firefox.
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    Jan 27, 2009 12:44 AM GMT
    Safar is it for me. Firefox as a backup.

    I'll wait to see what the verdict is on Chrome...
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    Jan 27, 2009 12:46 AM GMT
    Another vote for Firefox. The extensions make web browsing a much better experience.
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    Jan 27, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
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    charlitos saidnope they are not...here is the list:

    Internet Explorer -> oooopsss I dont know how to render this page icon_sad.gif
    Firefox -> Im the best!
    Opera -> Hey!!!! Im damn good too, but nobody knows me!!!
    Safari -> Hehe Im coming for you...little dirty fox
    Chrome -> You all shut the fuck up, Im gonna take you all down !!!!! bitches


    Safari is actually better than firefox. firefox is always freezing up and safari rarely if ever does so


    True, I wasnt comparing how fast they are though, but the general features among them, even when safari is really good, it doesnt compete yet with the preference of Firefox. Dont take me wrong, the fact there are more people using IE doesnt mean they prefer it they just dont know theres something else. That name ""Internet Explorer" sounds like perfect doesnt it? Also most of the people dont prefer safari it just comes with macs and its pretty. When people switch browsers they usually prefer Firefox, I prefer safari though, but i cant live without my Firefox plugings icon_sad.gif

    LETS BURN INTERNET EXPLORER IN HELL. All Web Developers and designers go change the code in your page and block Internet Explorer asking the users to update to other broswer......sigh i wish i could just do that. My life would be just so wonderful without it.