Eagle Homo Scout Leader Ousted by National BSA After Being Supported by Local

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    May 19, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
    http://www.thisweeknews.com/content/stories/westerville/news/2015/05/12/scouts-oust-local-man-over-sexual-orientation.html

    "Peffly has been openly gay since 2000, and left the Boy Scouts in 2000 and 2010 due to the Boy Scouts of America's stance on homosexuality. The national organization hasn't been shy about its feelings, and while they allow gay Scouts, they explicitly forbid gay leaders.

    After rejoining Troop 192 in Westerville in 2014, Peffly, a member of the Scouts for Equality, gave an interview with WBNS-10TV in which he expressed his concerns and his own sexuality in the wake of the removal of a Scout leader in Seattle.

    Peffly would do another interview nearly a year later, this time with The Columbus Dispatch and 10TV, after the Simon Kenton Council -- which oversees 17 counties in central and southern Ohio -- Board of Directors adopted a councilwide statement supporting diversity, including sexual orientation.
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    This is as local as it can get, and what I've long said that it's different around here. No one cared.

    And that's my old troop.
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    May 19, 2015 10:14 PM GMT
    Glad he didn't claim to be the first to do that in that troop. I might have had to correct him, that he was beaten to the punch by 45 or 46 years. By whom you ask? Guess who?

    Also, notice the name of the church. As I've been saying ...
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    May 20, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    What church?
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    May 20, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
    LJay saidWhat church?


    in the article
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    May 20, 2015 3:47 AM GMT
    ...Not likely to see much movement on this subject short of an act of Congress; in that, the BS of A is uniquely chartered by Congress.

    Regardless of regional sentiment/s, the national organization is most likely to remain as hard-nosed on the subject, as it is, on proclaimed atheists; both, an arguable violation of the S O & Law; especially, atheism! The National organization is fully aware that Congress, having granted the Charter, is capable of recalling it too. An unlikely scenario, of course, but National Council will not risk it . . .

    Those wishing accommodating-changes in the BS of A Charter and S O & Law/s will be wasting their efforts; unless, those efforts are directed at our illustrious, so-called "Elected Representatives" in both houses of Congress.


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    May 20, 2015 1:04 PM GMT
    IAmazeMyself saidFifi,
    You were never on the cutting edge of gay or any other civil rights movement.
    However you have every right to imagine your timid past as a heroic one.
    Old storytellers get that privilege.


    Well,

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    We certainly all know about your past although it's fragmented a bit between your 40 or 50 socks.
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    May 20, 2015 1:36 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL said
    freedomisntfree said
    LJay saidWhat church?


    in the article


    What Church? Not in the version of the article that you quoted. Or, perhaps it was revised by The Server.

    Also if this is the policy then why, as a leader, would you come out as gay?

    And, in terms of gay scouts, at 14, 16, 18 years old, they probably are confused and don't know yet. I'm bi- but mostly gay so I'm still confused LOL

    When I was in scouts, nobody ever told me that I would be kicked out if I was gay. So if this is the national policy then it is not enforced.


    I stand corrected. I thought I read the name of the church in the article, unless the article was revised.

    Anyway, it's a local Presbyterian Church who has sponsored this troop as long as I can remember. And I didn't come out to the troop specifically. I came out to school then church the following weekend back in 1970 so that certainly took care of the scouts knowing. Although the term 'gay' wasn't used yet. And true, nothing happened. I would have gotten far more attention by the public proclamation that I was atheist. I think ten or so years later I would have had some problems.
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    May 21, 2015 12:24 PM GMT
    IAmazeMyself saidFifi,
    You can claim to have marched with Dr King and sat with Rosa Parks
    But we both know your cowardly ass never got far from a comfortable chair far from any danger.


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    Why do you keep doing this? Sock after sock after sock after sock? And then you have the audacity of accusing anyone else of dishonesty?

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    May 21, 2015 12:38 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL saidToday the Presbyterian Church has at least two divisions, the more liberal one that accepts gays, and the more conservative one. Then there are independent Anti-Gay Presbyterian Churches such as Coral Ridge Presbyterian from the late "Dr. D. James Kennedey Jr. Ph.D." in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. He died a few years ago of a massive heart attack.


    I've only been in the two of them. The one where I was baptized and this one who was the sponsor of the scout troop.

    I never really thought of them as liberal or conservative because I'm not sure I knew the difference at that time.

    I do remember that on Sunday school field trips as part of a sort of comparative religions that we did field trips to as many different 'brands' as we had in Columbus and central Ohio with comparisons only, but not criticisms. They always seemed to me to be pretty open.

    I rebelled against pretty much anything and everything including religion and stopped going in the mid 70s until recently.

    And I want to correct something from an earlier post of yours

    "Also if this is the policy then why, as a leader, would you come out as gay?"

    I wasn't in a leadership position. I was just a scout. If the troop had been all gay, I would have come out as straight. It's just the way I rolled back then and still do to an extent today. Controversy was a bunch of fun and good for everyone else.
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    May 21, 2015 1:15 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL saidToday the Presbyterian Church has at least two divisions, the more liberal one that accepts gays, and the more conservative one. Then there are independent Anti-Gay Presbyterian Churches such as Coral Ridge Presbyterian from the late "Dr. D. James Kennedey Jr. Ph.D." in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. He died a few years ago of a massive heart attack.

    Yes, locally many of us refer to it as the "Church of Hate". It went through turmoil when Kennedy died, some of his family members getting expelled when they tried to automatically assume his mantle of leadership without confirmation from the other Church hierarchy & members.
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    May 21, 2015 1:34 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Anyway, it's a local Presbyterian Church who has sponsored this troop as long as I can remember. And I didn't come out to the troop specifically. I came out to school then church the following weekend back in 1970 so that certainly took care of the scouts knowing. Although the term 'gay' wasn't used yet. And true, nothing happened. I would have gotten far more attention by the public proclamation that I was atheist. I think ten or so years later I would have had some problems.

    Actually, the term "gay" meaning sexual orientation is documented back to the 1930s, and some sources claim the 1920s. But I agree that outside gay culture, and in small towns, the term was less well known.

    And I know that town is kinda small, I was there a few times to visit the AMA headquarters & museum (American Motorcyclist Association, not that medical thing).

    So at first I was gonna take exception to your thread title reading "Eagle Homo Scout Leader...", but if meant in the time context of your own personal experience there then it's somewhat more understandable.

    From the exchange between characters in the movie Victor/Victoria:

    Lesley Ann Warren: "You mean you really are queer?"

    Robert Preston [laughing]: "Please, we prefer gay."
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    May 21, 2015 1:44 PM GMT
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    Anyway, it's a local Presbyterian Church who has sponsored this troop as long as I can remember. And I didn't come out to the troop specifically. I came out to school then church the following weekend back in 1970 so that certainly took care of the scouts knowing. Although the term 'gay' wasn't used yet. And true, nothing happened. I would have gotten far more attention by the public proclamation that I was atheist. I think ten or so years later I would have had some problems.

    Actually, the term "gay" meaning sexual orientation is documented back to the 1930s, and some sources claim the 1920s. But I agree that outside gay culture, and in small towns, the term was less well known.

    And I know that town is kinda small, I was there a few times to visit the AMA headquarters & museum (American Motorcyclist Association, not that medical thing).

    So at first I was gonna take exception to your thread title reading "Eagle Homo Scout Leader...", but if meant in the time context of your own personal experience there then it's somewhat more understandable.

    From the exchange between characters in the movie Victor/Victoria:

    Lesley Ann Warren: "You mean you really are queer?"

    Robert Preston [laughing]: "Please, we prefer gay."


    "AMA headquarters & museum"

    Out on West Main street at the time.

    "Actually, the term "gay" meaning sexual orientation is documented back to the 1930s, and some sources claim the 1920s."

    I sure didn't know anything about that term until early to mid 70s. I do remember seeing the vid from 1959 or 1960 that's been bandied about on RJ several times, in the boy scouts. I think you know the one, with the four-door 1959 or 1960 Chevy, shot in Inglewood.
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    "Actually, the term "gay" meaning sexual orientation is documented back to the 1930s, and some sources claim the 1920s."

    I sure didn't know anything about that term until early to mid 70s. I do remember seeing the vid from 1959 or 1960 that's been bandied about on RJ several times, in the boy scouts. I think you know the one, with the four-door 1959 or 1960 Chevy, shot in Inglewood.

    It's spoken in a 1938 Hollywood movie, that I reference in my RJ profile. Followed by another line that was an exclusive gay catchphrase back then, dealing with sidewalk cruising ("I'm sitting in the middle of 42nd Street, waiting for a bus.")

    The fact that Cary Grant spontaneously ad libbed it, not in the original script (note the separate film edit used for it), is used by some people to bolster their claim he was secretly gay himself, or at least bi.

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    "Actually, the term "gay" meaning sexual orientation is documented back to the 1930s, and some sources claim the 1920s."

    I sure didn't know anything about that term until early to mid 70s. I do remember seeing the vid from 1959 or 1960 that's been bandied about on RJ several times, in the boy scouts. I think you know the one, with the four-door 1959 or 1960 Chevy, shot in Inglewood.

    It's spoken in a 1938 Hollywood movie, that I reference in my RJ profile. Followed by another line that was an exclusive gay catchphrase back then, dealing with sidewalk cruising ("I'm sitting in the middle of 42nd Street, waiting for a bus.")

    The fact that Cary Grant spontaneously ad libbed it, not in the original script (note the separate film edit used for it), is used by some people to bolster their claim he was secretly gay himself, or at least bi.



    I saw very few movies so I didn't have the benefit of that tip off. I probably still wouldn't have made the connection at that age. I meant something a bit different that a sexual relationship.
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    May 21, 2015 2:35 PM GMT
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    I saw very few movies so I didn't have the benefit of that tip off. I probably still wouldn't have made the connection at that age. I meant something a bit different that a sexual relationship.

    I think I first saw this movie on TV when I was a pre-teen. And I'm sure I would have thought "Just went gay..." simply meant being deliriously happy. As I'm sure most naive 1938 audiences did, too.

    The remark "I'm sitting in the middle of 42nd Street, waiting for a bus," meant this:

    Manhattan's 42nd Street was known for its gay cruising in the 1930s, and the police patrolled for it and arrested guys. When asked what they were doing, gay men would answer: "Waiting for a bus." Which kinda stymied the cops, because the guys COULD be waiting for a bus, perfectly legal. And so the phrase became popular among gays of that era for other deceptions, as well.

    The "... sitting in the middle..." part means being in the middle of the block, between corners, not out in the middle of the street itself in traffic. And Cary sat down on the stairs in frustration at his ridiculous circumstances. So there you have the complete explanation. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 21, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    I saw very few movies so I didn't have the benefit of that tip off. I probably still wouldn't have made the connection at that age. I meant something a bit different that a sexual relationship.

    I think I first saw this movie on TV when I was a pre-teen. And I'm sure I would have thought "Just went gay..." meant being deliriously happy. As I'm sure most naive 1938 audiences did, too.

    The remark "I'm sitting in the middle of 42nd Street, waiting for a bus," meant this:

    Manhattan's 42nd Street was known for its gay cruising in the 1930s, and the police patrolled for it and arrested guys. When asked what they were doing, gay men would answer: "Waiting for a bus." Which kinda stymied the cops, because the guys COULD be waiting for a bus, perfectly legal. And so the phrase became popular among gays of that era for other deceptions, as well.

    The "... sitting in the middle..." part means being in the middle of the block, between corners, not out in the middle of the street itself in traffic. And Cary has sat down on the stairs in frustration at his ridiculous circumstances. So there you have the complete explanation. icon_biggrin.gif


    I remember my grandmother using the term gay and gaiety to mean something completely different than what it came to mean by the late 70s. I didn't even think of the concept although, I felt that one should be able to love who they loved and marry who they wanted regardless of gender. I didn't think of love and having sex as one and the same.