Hard Rock owner Seminole Tribe of Florida on Same Sex Marriage: Not available for comment

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    May 20, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    http://floridaagenda.com/opinion-2/native-american-religious-rights-laws-compare-marriage-equality
    ...within the United States there are sovereign Native American tribes with their own customs, history and languages who retain some degree of official autonomy and self-determination when it comes to their internal governance.

    Florida has two federally recognized tribes: the Miccosukee and their more populous cousins, the Seminoles...An official Seminole elder or high-ranking representative was not immediately available for an interview at press time...

    at least six tribes with almost 1 million members collectively have tribal laws that define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Some tribes explicitly outlaw gay marriage. For example, the Cherokees in Oklahoma and the Navajo Nation, with about 300,000 members each, do not recognize gay unions and show no signs of budging. In 2005, the Navajos voted to ban gay marriage on their 27,000 square-mile reservation that extends into Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. These three are U.S. states where same-sex unions are legal...


    Who are they afraid of/supporting, the church bingo gals?
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    May 21, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    I know I've had issues with other Navajos and the difference between traditional views and Christian views. Some people on the reservation think they are the same. I'm Navajo and a traditionalist and for me to believe in Christianity at the same time is ridiculous and hypocritical. Traditionalists believe in two spirited humans (lbgt) and are recognized in great belief but are not recognized on the reservation which is sad.

    But federal funding and church funding can really make anyone profitable on the reservation. So if you can get rich with pretty much an everlasting revenue, why bite the hand that feeds you before the federal government tells you what to believe?

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    May 22, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell at least they don't host gay events at their casino in the Ft. Lauderdale area.... oh wait....

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4049076

    That still galls your homophobic soul, doesn't it? That we had an event that benefited the Harvey Milk Foundation, the Pride Center, and honored the Matthew Shepherd Foundation along with his parents, hosted at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida.

    Maybe you can contact the Seminoles and tell them not to do it again. Or perhaps you already have. Better yet, tell those organizations not to accept the generous invite they received to hold their event at the Hard Rock.

    I knew you'd try to pull something like this, to spoil the charity. You've done it before with the SMART Ride for HIV AIDS, and with gay golf tournaments. That's why I waited until the event was completed before mentioning it here.

    You'll do anything to hurt the gay community and its charities. And slander those who do charity work. Maybe you have a Hyacinth pic for that? You are a pathetic, hateful person who tries to damage & disrupt this community, as we've seen you doing here for years. Our only comfort is in knowing you're not one of us.
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    May 22, 2015 1:15 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Colonel,

    I'm not the one who's been going off on the Seminoles and the part they played in your "grand banquet" a few days ago.

    The person responsible is the "hidden member" who created this topic.

    Kind Regards

    I corrected your spelling. And you know full well this isn't the only time you've made snide remarks, or outright slams, against gay charities and those associated with them. Whether about this Hard Rock event, or others over the years, as I noted in my reply above.

    Warm regards are returned in the same spirit as your own.
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    May 22, 2015 2:54 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said

    Now, are you going to direct your ire to the "hidden member" who created this topic which has so angered you?


    I created this topic to show how the Seminoles are playing not just gay charities which failed to do their due diligence in selecting what seems upon revelation for very good reason to be a highly inappropriate venue to celebrate gay events, but that even some kid working some little online "paper" naively accepts without questioning their run around his question by answering, effectively, no comment (ie, no one available to comment, my ass!).

    You are the one who perverted this thread nefariously. You did it to piss off a guy who's plenty capable enough of falling over his own clumsy feet without your assistance and then when you got him pissed off you tried directing that anger towards me. You can go fuck yourself for that.
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    May 22, 2015 3:16 AM GMT
    prototype saidI know I've had issues with other Navajos and the difference between traditional views and Christian views. Some people on the reservation think they are the same. I'm Navajo and a traditionalist and for me to believe in Christianity at the same time is ridiculous and hypocritical. Traditionalists believe in two spirited humans (lbgt) and are recognized in great belief but are not recognized on the reservation which is sad.

    But federal funding and church funding can really make anyone profitable on the reservation. So if you can get rich with pretty much an everlasting revenue, why bite the hand that feeds you before the federal government tells you what to believe?


    Yá’át’ééh

    I've known just from stuff I've heard or read of Christian influence among the tribes as most of us have, but apparently the Seminoles were inundated with Christianity. On their own website, it says...

    http://www.semtribe.com/Culture/Medicine.aspx
    most Seminole Tribal members profess to be Christians


    ...so that's who they are spiritually now. That event the other two idiots were talking about might as well have been hosted by Evangelists in war paint, pardon the pun. This tribe is friends of money, as you note, not friends of the gay. Having them host a celebration of our progress is ludicrous.

    Very sad for you the latest Navajo announcement reaffirming their opposition to same sex marriage. Hopefully in your lifetime you'll see them open their hearts to you. In the larger society, this has been a 40plus year struggle so you do have that momentum.

    I very much enjoy Native American culture. My last bestest bud was a great admirer of the Hopi and I have spent much time studying the Toltec whose sorcery I incorporate in my dreaming. They've done wonderful works in exploring consciousness which the western world only begins now to understand.

    Shalom
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    May 22, 2015 3:57 AM GMT
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    prototype saidI know I've had issues with other Navajos and the difference between traditional views and Christian views. Some people on the reservation think they are the same. I'm Navajo and a traditionalist and for me to believe in Christianity at the same time is ridiculous and hypocritical. Traditionalists believe in two spirited humans (lbgt) and are recognized in great belief but are not recognized on the reservation which is sad.

    But federal funding and church funding can really make anyone profitable on the reservation. So if you can get rich with pretty much an everlasting revenue, why bite the hand that feeds you before the federal government tells you what to believe?


    Yá’át’ééh

    I've known just from stuff I've heard or read of Christian influence among the tribes as most of us have, but apparently the Seminoles were inundated with Christianity. On their own website, it says...

    http://www.semtribe.com/Culture/Medicine.aspx
    most Seminole Tribal members profess to be Christians


    ...so that's who they are spiritually now. That event the other two idiots were talking about might as well have been hosted by Evangelists in war paint, pardon the pun. This tribe is friends of money, as you note, not friends of the gay. Having them host a celebration of our progress is ludicrous.

    Very sad for you the latest Navajo announcement reaffirming their opposition to same sex marriage. Hopefully in your lifetime you'll see them open their hearts to you. In the larger society, this has been a 40plus year struggle so you do have that momentum.

    I very much enjoy Native American culture. My last bestest bud was a great admirer of the Hopi and I have spent much time studying the Toltec whose sorcery I incorporate in my dreaming. They've done wonderful works in exploring consciousness which the western world only begins now to understand.

    Shalom


    Haha well it's okay. Frankly I don't really care.

    Well I don't care about the tribe. They don't affirm my spiritual Identity. Hell the only thing they can give me is a number and "authenticity".

    I've never stood for the Navajo Nation nor will I ever. I stand for myself and my family (Kin ł ichii'nii).

    I've been criticized for obtaining a bacheors degree at a University, not fluently speaking Navajo, and dating a white guy yet my meth addicted extended family is accepted for being fluent speakers and therefore have rights to burial grounds and land.

    I remember telling Joe Shirley that you are part of the reason this is leaving us behind. He didn't like that.
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    May 22, 2015 4:08 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidWell at least they don't host gay events at their casino in the Ft. Lauderdale area.... oh wait....

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4049076

    That still galls your homophobic soul, doesn't it? That we had an event that benefited the Harvey Milk Foundation, the Pride Center, and honored the Matthew Shepherd Foundation along with his parents, hosted at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida.

    Maybe you can contact the Seminoles and tell them not to do it again. Or perhaps you already have. Better yet, tell those organizations not to accept the generous invite they received to hold their event at the Hard Rock.

    I knew you'd try to pull something like this, to spoil the charity. You've done it before with the SMART Ride for HIV AIDS, and with gay golf tournaments. That's why I waited until the event was completed before mentioning it here.

    You'll do anything to hurt the gay community and its charities. And slander those who do charity work. Maybe you have a Hyacinth pic for that? You are a pathetic, hateful person who tries to damage & disrupt this community, as we've seen you doing here for years. Our only comfort is in knowing you're not one of us.


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    May 22, 2015 3:23 PM GMT
    prototype saidHaha well it's okay. Frankly I don't really care.

    Well I don't care about the tribe. They don't affirm my spiritual Identity. Hell the only thing they can give me is a number and "authenticity".

    I've never stood for the Navajo Nation nor will I ever. I stand for myself and my family (Kin ł ichii'nii).

    I've been criticized for obtaining a bacheors degree at a University, not fluently speaking Navajo, and dating a white guy yet my meth addicted extended family is accepted for being fluent speakers and therefore have rights to burial grounds and land.

    I remember telling Joe Shirley that you are part of the reason this is leaving us behind. He didn't like that.


    I know neither their politics nor yours. But I did just quickly google Shirley who gets a good write-up...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Shirley,_Jr.
    Shirley was awarded the Barry Goldwater Human Rights Corporate Award, in recognition of support of Navajo LGBT rights after the veto of the 2005 Dine' Marriage Act.
    http://www.navajotimes.com/news/2013/0713/070413marriage.php#.VV9Gd410w5s
    "The Diné Marriage Act is a violation of human rights and Navajo civil rights...

    ...so then I also know neither the genesis of your hostility towards him nor if it is justified.

    So I can only say that you might feel differently in the future. I have divorced myself in practice from the Jewish tribes (haha) because of Leviticus and I've no intent to return without redaction of certain wording I find abhorrent, but I do not deny that it tugs at me. My upbringing into that tribe had some frustrations of acceptance by its very scripture but also I recognize good qualities of the culture that benefited me.

    So I suspect that maybe you do care even if you say you don't by what hurt you feel. And even if you don't now in looking forward to your life ahead, you might in your future upon reflection. Let that mirror, not those blinders, guide you.