Gay marriage passes by a landslide in Ireland

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    May 23, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
    Gay marriage passes by a landslide at a ratio of 2 votes to 1 making Ireland the first country in the world to pass gay marriage by a referendum. It's really great to see what was once a conservative Catholic country modernise and vote for equality...hopefully Northern Ireland will follow sometime soon!

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    May 23, 2015 3:19 PM GMT
    So Proud to be Irish, great step forward!
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    May 23, 2015 3:23 PM GMT
    YUP! Irish
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    May 23, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
    Congrats to Ireland on a great win.

    I'm still conflicted how I feel about voting on human rights.

    On the one hand, intellectually, I felt like the campaigning was begging on two knees to get down on one. On the other hand, emotionally, I certainly have admonished my brother for not accompanying me to gay pride and so I see pride in having family accompanying a gay sibling to the polls.

    On a personal level it moves me. On a state level it concerns me that this would be a matter for the electorate and not a judicial branch of government. Human rights, to me, ought to be a matter of realization, not popularity.

    Nice to see gay is in fashion. And though how wonderful for the Irish LGBT community, I think the more important aspect of this vote is not rights gained, which I think ought to have been gained regardless of the electorate--my attitude on this is fuck the electorate-- but as a measure of the current attitude, the growing compassion and the ancient wisdom of the Irish people.

    Good on you.
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    May 23, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    Well for the Irish Constitution to be changed it has to be voted on in a referendum. If the law had been changed it could have been argued that it was un-constitutional. The argument from the no side(bar the children), was that the government could put laws in place to give the LGBT community equal rights without redefining marriage. However, there was no guarantee of this but now with the referendum won we and our children have constitutional protection as a "family".
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    May 23, 2015 4:57 PM GMT
    IrishGuy92 saidWell for the Irish Constitution to be changed it has to be voted on in a referendum. If the law had been changed it could have been argued that it was un-constitutional. The argument from the no side(bar the children), was that the government could put laws in place to give the LGBT community equal rights without redefining marriage. However, there was no guarantee of this but now with the referendum won we and our children have constitutional protection as a "family".


    Thank you. I was not aware of that.

    On reading your post, I googled this...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
    An amendment may be made to any part of the Constitution of Ireland but only by referendum. An amendment must first be approved by both Houses of the Oireachtas (parliament), then submitted to a referendum, and finally signed into law by the President.


    ...confirming your post.

    Being that was the only way there, and I'm glad you brought that to my attention, then truly so great a win. My issues with voting on human rights, however, remain my concern.

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    May 23, 2015 5:10 PM GMT
    great stuff. so glad this turned out on the right side.
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    May 23, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
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    IrishGuy92 saidWell for the Irish Constitution to be changed it has to be voted on in a referendum. If the law had been changed it could have been argued that it was un-constitutional. The argument from the no side(bar the children), was that the government could put laws in place to give the LGBT community equal rights without redefining marriage. However, there was no guarantee of this but now with the referendum won we and our children have constitutional protection as a "family".


    Thank you. I was not aware of that.

    On reading your post, I googled this...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
    An amendment may be made to any part of the Constitution of Ireland but only by referendum. An amendment must first be approved by both Houses of the Oireachtas (parliament), then submitted to a referendum, and finally signed into law by the President.


    ...confirming your post.

    Being that was the only way there, and I'm glad you brought that to my attention, then truly so great a win. My issues with voting on human rights, however, remain my concern.

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    No problem, Now to do the typical Irish thing and get Hammered! icon_razz.gif
  • Eli_jah

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    May 23, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
    Yeah, just read about it on the nytimes.com. Holy shit, this is HUGE!
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    May 23, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    Although I agree that human rights shouldn't be put to a popular vote, at least it stops Christian groups from complaining that the government forced through a change in the law as we can see the clear will of the people.
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    May 23, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    Great news, but don't hold your breath about NI following anytime soon. I suppose we should just be grateful they are not scrapping anymore.
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    May 23, 2015 9:17 PM GMT
    IrishGuy92 saidNo problem, Now to do the typical Irish thing and get Hammered! icon_razz.gif


    Yeah, I'd imagine the bars in Dublin must be going crazy this weekend. Very fun.

    colosseo92 saidAlthough I agree that human rights shouldn't be put to a popular vote, at least it stops Christian groups from complaining that the government forced through a change in the law as we can see the clear will of the people.


    Good point as to consensus making and its expression. Also there seems a great sense of democracy to their referendum process. If only what we love to grab wasn't up for grabs.

    Not to diminish but just to note that this year was the first that gays could openly parade in NYC's St. Patty's Day parade, though I forgot the story so just googled and it seems it was only one group, the NBC film crew or something. So maybe this win will set them, um, str8 for next year, to be more inclusive.

    These changes finally coming to fruition after a life of living without our rights is incredible.
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    May 24, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
    See how happy everyone is in the videos after the vote count is heartwarming. Ireland, the new Canada!

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    May 24, 2015 7:03 AM GMT
    Ireland is one of the last places I would have expected this from, hearing about how conservative it is. On the other hand, the Catholic church is losing ground everywhere except for Latin America.

    It's a great day for Ireland.
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    May 24, 2015 9:52 AM GMT
    Same-sex marriage: Dublin archbishop says Catholic church needs reality check

    One of Ireland’s most senior Catholics has said the church needs a “reality check” following the country’s overwhelming vote in favour of same-sex marriage.

    The archbishop told the broadcaster RTE: “We [the church] have to stop and have a reality check, not move into denial of the realities. We won’t begin again with a sense of renewal, with a sense of denial.

    “I appreciate how gay and lesbian men and women feel on this day. That they feel this is something that is enriching the way they live. I think it is a social revolution.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/24/ireland-same-sex-marriage-dublin-archbishop-catholic-church-needs-reality-check
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    May 24, 2015 11:00 AM GMT
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    Even mother nature has bestowed on Ireland. Congratulations, Ireland.
  • secondstartot...

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    May 24, 2015 11:44 AM GMT
    I think it is just wonderful.... sad that it had to come to a vote at all...but such is our reality !

    Ireland the nation that says I DO !

    I am quite emotional about all this I live far away .. never been to Ireland and I dont know anyone IN Ireland

    however I have been following this Referendum ever since I saw Panti Noble give the most humbling speech on Homophobia I have ever seen ..
    brilliantly articulate " in an Orwellian twist the homophobes are now the victims "



    then a second speech at TED talks Ireland

    even more profound ....all the little things



    since then I have followed all the campaigning ...the nauseating bile that came out of the no side

    then this ...Ireland says I DO !


    In Ireland, we’re known as a nation of storytellers.
    And today, the people have told quite some story.

    Our people have spoken powerfully and profoundly.
    Together, we’ve chosen to make progress.

    From so many countries and by every means of travel, streams of people came home to vote.
    Hate and prejudice could never have moved so many to travel so far - only love and fellowship could possibly have done that.

    We’re the latest country to pass marriage equality into law – but we will certainly not be the last.

    The children in every town, village and schoolyard who will now grow up knowing their country accepts them - whoever it is they one day grow to be, and whoever it is they one day grow to love.
    Today, we have made a better Ireland for them.
    And that’s the best story of all.
    - Joan Burton
  • ASHDOD

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    May 24, 2015 2:43 PM GMT
    its wonderfull! long live irland!
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    May 24, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
    Watching some of the news reports and listening to some of the Irish rejoice in their lilting voices is enough to melt even the hardest of hearts. Love those rainbow shots, too, especially the street corner scene.
    Good move, Paddy and Colleen!
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    May 24, 2015 8:44 PM GMT
    Panti is such an eloquent speaker!

    She should be invited to speak on the floor of the Senate. icon_biggrin.gif

    I wonder what the next St Patrick's Day will look like in NYC???
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    May 24, 2015 9:01 PM GMT
    timmm55 saidPanti is such an eloquent speaker!

    She should be invited to speak on the floor of the Senate. icon_biggrin.gif

    I wonder what the next St Patrick's Day will look like in NYC???


    I imagine it will look something like this .....
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  • Limerick18

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    May 25, 2015 1:34 PM GMT
    Such a proud, proud weekend to be Irish! Cant wait to move home and find my Prince Charming.. wherever the fcuker is hidin icon_razz.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 25, 2015 1:46 PM GMT
    Very awesome news from the Emerald Isle of Ireland. The people have spoken and us gays are deserving of full equality. However, I am sure that all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs are praying to their fictitious, vindictive God and pleading with him to unleash some massive catastrophe on Ireland as Devine punishment for voting yes for gay marriage. The fundies must be angrily foaming at the mouth. icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif