The discussion was about the well-being of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of children. With utter contempt for their well being, in Ethiopia and Gaza, he shows us buildings damaged during a war.
That wasn't what he posted about.
AyaTrolLiar> This thread is about aid and that is exactly what I posted about.
He posted a video showing the destruction of buildings
That was the entirety of his post.
In response to my posting of a photo of a child from Ethiopia showing acute signs of starvation (not obesity).We were talking about starving children (as in starving to death) - well, in Ethiopia as opposed to child obesity - a big problem in Gaza, yet almost unheard of in Ethiopia.
AyaTrolLiar> We were talking about aid and who deserves it.
In some sick minds, overweight children parading with weapons are more worthy than children literally starving to death.
AyaTrolLiar> Damn them Hamas children eh?
QEDEven the structual damage is minuscule compared to Nahr al Bared or Yarmouk (about which the troll posted nothing), but then he's just trying to make a diversionary splash.
AyaTrolLiar> Yarmuk is caught between ISIS and a bloody dictatorship
So he don't care about their suffering?
AyaTrolLiar> my tax money goes toward helping them
If he even actually pays taxes (last I heard he was jobless and had never held a real job), that's a minuscule amount. That was his own point, how "miserly" all foreign aid budgets are. But that's good enough for children literally starving to death in Ethiopia and Yarmouk, but not for Gaza? For the latter he'll work putting together a for-show "convoy" that takes a year to deliver as much "aid" (much of it expired and useless) as routinely enters from Israel in an hour?You don't advocate any "flotillas" to assist thousands of people barely surviving on 400 calories per day?
AyaTrolLiar> Are you saying that because I joined an aid convoy to Gaza that means I oppose aid convoys to everywhere else?
I asked why he hasn't joined aid convoys to Ethiopia or Yarmouk.
Oh, wait, that's right; there aren't any.
Because those places need aid, not media circuses.
AyaTrolLiar> I do not have precise figures for Nahr al-Barid, but a few hundred people were killed across Lebanon in the September 2007 crisis, a few dozen of which were civilians. In tiny Gaza...First, note how little concern he has for Nahr al Bared.
8 years later, he still doesn't know the first thing about it.
AyaTrolLiar> [rushes to look up some basic info. Finally!]Second, look how the dishonest propagandist twists:
The battle was fought not "across Lebanon" but almost entirely in the camp.
AyaTrolLiar> There were 52 civilian casualties in Nahr al-Barid (the Lebanese army evacuated most of the civilians, including families of militants, in pauses during the fighting). 33 were killed and many more wounded in gun fights and bombings across Lebanon
Those facts are generally true but are the usual selective BS twist of AyaTrolLiar pouncer's flawed methodology. He has only provided the tip-of-the iceberg that suits him, suppressing 82% of the casualty figures:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Lebanon_conflict#Casualties
|| At least 446 people, including 168 soldiers and 226 militants, had been killed in the fighting during the 105-day siege of the camp. Between 400 and 500 soldiers had been wounded and more than 215 militants had been captured.A camp where the total population was 31,000 (100% rendered homeless).
Compared to "tiny Gaza", with some 1.5 million people.
AyaTrolLiar> Why is there a Nahr al-Barid camp and a Yarmuk camp in the first place?
see:1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israelhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691Despite the heavy fighting, due to Israel's precautions only between 65-80 people were killed (35 of them civilians) plus 13 Israeli soldiers.
AyaTrolLiar> Shuja'iyah, Military assessments... massive firepower... to kill a lot of people in as short a period of time as possible... removing the topsoil... crater the neighborhood...
Wow, all that and still only 65-80 casualties, roughly half of them civilians? Consider further that Shuja'iyya (in "tiny Gaza") is 3x as populous as Nahr al-Bared.
AyaTrolLiar> The actual range is 65-120.
The 120 is not from a credible source (it's a news report the day after citing no primary source). The 65 figure comes from the hospital, the UN said 70. the Palestinian Ministry of Health said 80.
Recall that for AyaTrolLiar pouncer, 9/11 was a "small-time massacre" (which the US had coming given it's foreign policy). Why was there heavy fighting in a residential neighborhood? Because Hamas fired some 400 rockets from there and many of their tunnels originated here.
AyaTrolLiar> ?With a >5% launch failure/misfire rate of the terrorist rockets, some of the damage was caused by Hamas, and perhaps a significant part of the casualties due to the indiscriminant nature of that damage.
AyaTrolLiar> we are to believe that about 20 such "rockets" caused this?
At point blank range? You bet!Gaza rocket misfires, kills 3-year-old Palestinian girl
Four members of the girl's family were injured after the rocket landed on their househttp://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4534231,00.html
In another neighborhood, we know that 1 misfired rocket killed 13 Gazans, 11 of them children.This is exactly what I discussed previously (point 1 above): AyaTrolLiar pouncer opts for violence, terrorism and war over compromise and peaceful coexistence, and then wants to double-dip by pointing at the disastrous results of his strategy as if to justify it.
AyaTrolLiar> Israel had already imposed "violence, terrorism and war", and the only things Gazans could do about it was defend themselves.
A reversal of causality, both in the near and far field.
Last summer, Hamas began firing rockets from Gaza at Israeli civilians after Israeli forces cracked down on Hamas cells in Judea & Samaria (previously Trans/Jordan's so-called "West Bank") after the brutal murder of 3 Israeli children.
In the larger context, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. There was no pacific response, instead terrorism from Gaza against Israeli civilians skyrocketed.
Going back even earlier, to the mid 1990s, Hamas became infamous for its suicide bombings in Israeli cities. Not because they were "resisting" the Israeli "occupation", but trying to torpedo the Oslo peace process.