Palestinians receive 13x's more foreign aid than Ethiopians Per Capita

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    May 24, 2015 8:04 PM GMT
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15845#.VWIsI5vbI5s
    PA Gets More Per Capita Aid than Poorer African States

    The facts of this discrimination are beyond dispute. In 2013, Ethiopia received 3.2 billion dollars in financial aid. The Palestinians in 2013 received approximately 2 billion dollars in aid, and this was before the last round of hostilities between Israel and Hamas

    On the surface, these figures in themselves do not seem so prejudicial. The Ethiopians after all receive over 50 percent of the amount of aid the Palestinians receive.

    But two considerations, indispensable in allocating resources in any fair means test, change the picture radically.

    First, Ethiopia’s population is twenty times even the most generous estimate of the combined populations of the 'West Bank' and Gaza: 94 million Ethiopians compared to 4.2 million Palestinians. This means that the average Palestinian receives fifteen times (sic: looks more like 13.6 x's) more aid per capita (US$476) than the average Ethiopian (US$35)!
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    May 25, 2015 2:05 AM GMT
    Hamas ‘death squads’ execute 18 ‘Zionist collaborators’ who allegedly helped Israel locate terror tunnels
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/hamas-death-squads-execute-18-zionist-collaborators-who-allegedly-helped-israel-locate-terror-tunnels

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    Nothing new, I'm sure people remember scenes like this:

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    Strange, isn't it, that AyaTrolLiar pouncer, who pretends to care about the Palestinian Arabs, forgot and/or doesn't care?
  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 2:09 AM GMT
    Consider further the irony of groups that send "flotillas" and "convoys" to Gaza, but not to Ethiopia (or elsewhere in Africa) or Syria.

    In fact, they even organized a "convoy" that passed through Africa, collecting goods to the in-comparison wealthy (and well fed) Gaza.

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  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 2:17 AM GMT
    Who should get more aid per capita?

    Ethiopia:
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    Gaza:
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  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 9:02 PM GMT
    Once again AyaTrolLiar pouncer shows he hates Israel more than he actually cares for Gaza or anywhere else.

    Having been shown that the situation elsewhere is much worse, he attempts to compare Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. Vapid propagandists (including pouncer) like to present Gaza's population density as [one of] the highest in the world, a trick generated by comparing it to countries rather than to comparable territories or cities. Gaza's population density is similar to the territory of Gibraltar and to cities such as... Tel Aviv. An order of magnitude smaller than places like New Delhi or Calcutta. The Warsaw ghetto's population density was 118,000 people per square km (nearly 30x Gaza's density of 4,000).

    In less than 3 years, at least 300,000 people in the ghetto died or were murdered.

    All the AyaTrolLiar has done is create a big pile of sh*t (his specialty, with relish!).


    AyaTrolLiar> unemployment rate

    Yes, the result of Hamas policies and not the case there before its reign of terrorism - which the AyaTrolLiar supports. The irony of someone choosing terrorism/war and then complaining about its consequences. Not out of concern for the people, but only as part of the added propaganda war.

    Recall also that Hamas, pouncer and their ilk reject "normalization", thus the terrorist attacks on projects such as the Erez Industrial Zone meant to provide employment to Gazans.

    Because things have worked out so well for Gaza going on the last 10 years, now pouncer his ilk want to export this ruin to the "West Bank", too. (But not Samer, because he has relatives there and doesn't wish to sacrifice their well being, or themselves, to get at Israel/Jews.)


    AyaTrolLiar> It's true that Gaza has a well-stocked supermarket here

    Recall that when Hamas breached the wall separating Gaza from Egypt, Gazans flocked to Egypt to buy luxury goods while Egyptians flocked into Gaza to buy basic necessities.

    The picture above is not of a "supermarket" but of a street market, several blocks long, It caters not to a small number of wealthy people (Hamas apparatchiks) but to the general public.

    Elsewhere trolls like pouncer complain that agricultural crops (the product of the greenhouses Israel left behind which weren't almost immediately destroyed by Palestinian gunmen, including those paid to secure them) spoiled while awaiting export to Israel and Europe.

    What? They were exporting nutrient rich food while their children were "starving" or "malnourished"?!

    Can you imagine Ethiopia or Chad being in a position to export food?

    Neither is the picture of children above atypical. Unlike regions in Africa that suffer from starvation (to death), Gaza has a different problem: obesity. 17% of children are overweight or obese, about 40% of the overall population.

    Had the troll ever been there - another of his infamous fantasies/lies - he'd know that.


  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 12:33 AM GMT
    Having been shown that the situation elsewhere is much worse, he attempts to compare Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. Vapid propagandists (including pouncer) like to present Gaza's population density as [one of] the highest in the world, a trick generated by comparing it to countries rather than to comparable territories or cities. Gaza's population density is similar to the territory of Gibraltar and to cities such as... Tel Aviv. An order of magnitude smaller than places like New Delhi or Calcutta. The Warsaw ghetto's population density was 118,000 people per square km (nearly 30x Gaza's density of 4,000).

    In less than 3 years, at least 300,000 people in the ghetto died or were murdered.

    All the AyaTrolLiar has done is create a big pile of sh*t (his specialty, with relish!).


    AyaTrolLiar> The sound of another point sailing straight over his head!

    Quite the contrary. The point was that only an insane idiot would make such an inapt comparison. You do this either because you are a fool pathologically addicted to soundbites/slogans or because you are insane, having gone mad from your hate.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 12:48 AM GMT
    sxysam saidpouncer, Why are you responding to Leeron? Do you remember you told me not respond to Leeron because you think he is making fun of me? You are a hypocrite! You should look yourself in the mirror too!

    If he could, he'd run away screaming.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
    So we agree that only an insane idiot would compare Gaza with the Warsaw Ghetto?
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 1:09 AM GMT
    So we agree that only an insane idiot would compare Gaza with the Warsaw Ghetto?

    pouncer said
    Do we? News to me.

    Thanks, then, for validating my point above:

    Only an insane idiot would make such an inapt comparison. You do this either because you are a fool pathologically addicted to soundbites/slogans or because you are insane, having gone mad from your hate.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> unemployment rate

    Yes, the result of Hamas policies and not the case there before its reign of terrorism - which the AyaTrolLiar supports. The irony of someone choosing terrorism/war and then complaining about its consequences. Not out of concern for the people, but only as part of the added propaganda war.

    AyaTrolLiar> Indicators such as GDP and manufacturing capacity had been in free fall for over a decade before Hamas took power. And after it did, it was the siege....

    GDP began to decline with the start of the Al Aqsa intifada in late 2000 (reversing a recovery and growth in the late 1990s).

    GDP took another plunge after the Hamas election and later coup, as foreign donors and investors fled.

    Israel's legal blockade ("siege" is another soundbite/slogan) precludes the entry of illegal items (e.g. rockets) and ensures that appropriate agencies don't have goods stolen by Hamas (e.g. cement to build bunkers for the leadership rather than repair hospitals and schools).

    That Hamas diverts power to foundries producing what the AyaTrolLiar claims are useless "firecrackers" (rockets) rather than to job-providing industries shows us their (Hamas and pouncer's) mis-prorities.


    Recall also that Hamas, pouncer and their ilk reject "normalization", thus the terrorist attacks on projects such as the Erez Industrial Zone meant to provide employment to Gazans.

    AyaTrolLiar> ?

    Because things have worked out so well for Gaza going on the last 10 years, now pouncer and his ilk want to export this ruin to the "West Bank", too. (But not Samer, because he has relatives there and doesn't wish to sacrifice their well being, or themselves, to hate Israel/Jews.)
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 2:31 AM GMT
    On an on goes the pathological troll:

    AyaTrolLiar> the crisis in Gaza was "far beyond humanitarian, It's much more serious."

    How many people have died of starvation in Gaza, vs. in Ethiopia or Chad?


    AyaTrolLiar> water

    Recall that Arafat torpedoed a (no cost!) desalination plant be built in the late 1990s, because he preferred to fight over limited resources. A move supported by pouncer, because providing water to the people would have been a sell-out.

    In reality, Israel was prepared to provide more water years ago, but ironically to do so

    || it needed the approval of the Israeli-Palestinian Joint Water Committee, which stopped meeting in 2010.

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-helps-relieve-water-crisis-in-Gaza-Strip-by-doubling-supply-392976


    AyaTrolLiar> It's true that Gaza has a well-stocked supermarket here

    The picture above is not of "a" (one, isolated) "supermarket" but of a street market, several blocks long, It caters not to a small number of wealthy people (his heroes, Hamas apparatchiks) but to the general public.

    AyaTrolLiar> small pockets of prosperity

    Fail.


    When Hamas breached the wall separating Gaza from Egypt, Gazans flocked to Egypt to buy luxury goods while Egyptians flocked into Gaza to buy basic necessities.

    AyaTrolLiar> Totally false. Gazans breached the wall because....

    Why isn't relevant. What happened after is. Egyptians entered Gaza to buy basic needs such as bread, fruits and vegetables, milk, rice, flour, eggs, etc.

    Gazans entered Egypt primarily to buy cigarettes, chocolate, meat, Coca-Cola (branded, not generic), etc.

    The NY Times reported:

    || Ahlan Ashour, 38, came with his wife to visit the Egyptian family, the Barhoums, who had put them up for 24 days during an earlier period when the Rafah crossing was shut. Mr. Ashour’s wife, Mohsin Elloulu, said she was struck by how much poorer the Egyptians of Rafah are. “At least our streets are paved,” she said of Gaza. The current lack of electricity and supplies is terrible, she said. “But materially, we’re so much more advanced in Gaza.” A driver here, she said, makes less than $1.50 a day, and in normal times in Gaza, $27.

    || So intense was the trading that even some Palestinians worried that there would be a backlash from impoverished Egyptians in Rafah. “This is not so good for the Palestinian people,” said Ahmed Shawa, a Gaza engineer who entered Egypt on Thursday. “Prices are becoming very high while people in Egyptian Rafah don’t have bread. If I go to your country and buy everything and you don’t have bread, you’re going to hate me.”

    And this:

    || When Israel pulled its settlers and troops out of Gaza in 2005, the Rafah crossing was opened with great fanfare to allow people in and out of Gaza. European Union supervisors were put in place, and Israeli video cameras monitored the traffic. But for security reasons, the crossing was often closed, and it has been shut completely since Hamas took over Gaza.


    Trolls like pouncer complain that agricultural crops (the product of those greenhouses Israel left behind which weren't almost immediately destroyed by Palestinian gunmen, including those paid to secure them) spoiled while awaiting export to Israel and Europe.

    What? They were exporting nutrient rich food while their children were "starving" or "malnourished"?!

    Can you imagine Ethiopia or Chad being in a position to export food?


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawls back under his rock]


    Neither is the picture of children above atypical. Unlike regions in Africa that suffer from starvation (to death), Gaza has a different problem: obesity. 17% of children are overweight or obese, about 40% of the overall population (putting Gaza near the top of the list, worldwide!).

    AyaTrolLiar> [still under his rock]

    Had the troll ever been there - another of his infamous fantasies/lies - he'd know that.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 3:37 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> unemployment rate

    Yes, the result of Hamas policies and not the case there before its reign of terrorism - which the AyaTrolLiar supports. The irony of someone choosing terrorism/war and then complaining about its consequences. Not out of concern for the people, but only as part of the added propaganda war.

    AyaTrolLiar> Indicators such as GDP and manufacturing capacity had been in free fall for over a decade before Hamas took power. And after it did, it was the siege....

    GDP began to decline with the start of the Al Aqsa intifada in late 2000 (reversing a recovery and growth in the late 1990s).

    GDP took another plunge after the Hamas election and later coup, as foreign donors and investors fled.


    AyaTrolLiar> [1994-2014 figures]

    ROTFL. So much for granularity.
    Provide not the cooked figures but the raw 1994-1999 figures, the 2000-2005 figures, and the 2006-2014 figures.


    Israel's legal blockade ("siege" is another soundbite/slogan) precludes the entry of illegal items (e.g. rockets) and ensures that appropriate agencies don't have goods stolen by Hamas (e.g. cement to build bunkers for the leadership rather than repair hospitals and schools).

    AyaTrolLiar> On the illegality of the Israeli blockade

    At least he's admitted it's a blockade, not a "siege".

    Discussed here:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1673969


    That Hamas diverts power to foundries producing what the AyaTrolLiar claims are useless "firecrackers" (rockets) rather than to job-providing industries shows us their (Hamas and pouncer's) mis-prorities.

    AyaTrolLiar> [evaporates]


    Recall also that Hamas, pouncer and their ilk reject "normalization", thus the terrorist attacks on projects such as the Erez Industrial Zone meant to provide employment to Gazans.

    AyaTrolLiar> ??


    Because things have worked out so well for Gaza going on the last 10 years, now pouncer and his ilk want to export this ruin to the "West Bank", too. (But not Samer, because he has relatives there and doesn't wish to sacrifice their well being, or themselves, to hate Israel/Jews.)

    AyaTrolLiar> [crawls back under his rock]
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 3:38 AM GMT
    On an on goes the pathological troll:

    AyaTrolLiar> the crisis in Gaza was "far beyond humanitarian, It's much more serious."

    How many people have died of starvation in Gaza, vs. in Ethiopia or Chad?

    AyaTrolLiar> [disappears]


    AyaTrolLiar> water

    Recall that Arafat torpedoed a (no cost!) desalination plant be built in the late 1990s, because he preferred to fight over limited resources. A move supported by pouncer, because providing water to the people would have been a sell-out.

    AyaTrolLiar> [gone]

    In reality, Israel was prepared to provide more water years ago, but ironically to do so

    || it needed the approval of the Israeli-Palestinian Joint Water Committee, which stopped meeting in 2010.

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-helps-relieve-water-crisis-in-Gaza-Strip-by-doubling-supply-392976


    AyaTrolLiar> It's true that Gaza has a well-stocked supermarket here

    The picture above is not of "a" (one, isolated) "supermarket" but of a street market, several blocks long, It caters not to a small number of wealthy people (his heroes, Hamas apparatchiks) but to the general public.

    AyaTrolLiar> small pockets of prosperity

    Fail (again).


    When Hamas breached the wall separating Gaza from Egypt, Gazans flocked to Egypt to buy luxury goods while Egyptians flocked into Gaza to buy basic necessities.

    AyaTrolLiar> Totally false. Gazans breached the wall because....

    Why isn't relevant. What happened after is. Egyptians entered Gaza to buy basic needs such as bread, fruits and vegetables, milk, rice, flour, eggs, etc.

    Gazans entered Egypt primarily to buy cigarettes, chocolate, meat, Coca-Cola (branded, not generic), etc.

    The NY Times reported:

    || Ahlan Ashour, 38, came with his wife to visit the Egyptian family, the Barhoums, who had put them up for 24 days during an earlier period when the Rafah crossing was shut. Mr. Ashour’s wife, Mohsin Elloulu, said she was struck by how much poorer the Egyptians of Rafah are. “At least our streets are paved,” she said of Gaza. The current lack of electricity and supplies is terrible, she said. “But materially, we’re so much more advanced in Gaza.” A driver here, she said, makes less than $1.50 a day, and in normal times in Gaza, $27.

    || So intense was the trading that even some Palestinians worried that there would be a backlash from impoverished Egyptians in Rafah. “This is not so good for the Palestinian people,” said Ahmed Shawa, a Gaza engineer who entered Egypt on Thursday. “Prices are becoming very high while people in Egyptian Rafah don’t have bread.

    AyaTrolLiar> [nada]


    And this:

    || When Israel pulled its settlers and troops out of Gaza in 2005, the Rafah crossing was opened with great fanfare to allow people in and out of Gaza. European Union supervisors were put in place, and Israeli video cameras monitored the traffic. But for security reasons, the crossing was often closed, and it has been shut completely since Hamas took over Gaza.

    AyaTrolLiar> [runs away]


    Trolls like pouncer complain that agricultural crops (the product of the greenhouses Israel left behind which weren't almost immediately destroyed by Palestinian gunmen, including those paid to secure them) spoiled while awaiting export to Israel and Europe.

    What? They were exporting nutrient rich food while their children were "starving" or "malnourished"?!

    Can you imagine Ethiopia or Chad being in a position to export food?


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawls back under his rock, still hiding there]


    Neither is the picture of children above atypical. Unlike regions in Africa that suffer from starvation (to death), Gaza has a different problem: obesity. 17% of children are overweight or obese, about 40% of the overall population (putting Gaza near the top of the list, worldwide!).

    AyaTrolLiar> Obesity: Africa’s new crisis

    Africa is a continent. For your point to be relevant, you'd need to show obesity rates in the relevant regions of Ethiopia (or Chad).

    Just how stupid is he, or did he think anyone else would fall for that?!


    Had the troll ever been there - another of his infamous fantasies/lies - he'd know much of this.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still not willing to admit he lied about that, too, but at least is no longer claiming he snuck in there.]
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 4:32 AM GMT
    pouncer said"Blockade" and "siege" are mutually exclusive?
    Man you're dumb.


    ROTFL.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 4:32 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> unemployment rate

    1. The result of Hamas policies and not the case there before its reign of terrorism - which the AyaTrolLiar supports. The irony of someone choosing terrorism/war and then complaining about its consequences. Not out of concern for the people, but only as part of the added propaganda war.

    AyaTrolLiar> Indicators such as GDP and manufacturing capacity had been in free fall for over a decade before Hamas took power. And after it did, it was the siege....

    2A. GDP began to decline with the start of the Al Aqsa intifada in late 2000 (reversing a recovery and growth in the late 1990s).

    2B. GDP took another plunge after the Hamas election and later coup, as foreign donors and investors fled.


    AyaTrolLiar> [1994-2014 figures]

    ROTFL. So much for granularity.

    Why does he provide such cooked figures rather than the raw 1994-1999 figures, the 2000-2005 figures, and the 2006-2014 figures? Because those would prove me right, so he - as usual - twists and lies.


    3. Israel's legal blockade ("siege" is another soundbite/slogan) precludes the entry of illegal items (e.g. rockets) and ensures that appropriate agencies don't have goods stolen by Hamas (e.g. cement to build bunkers for the leadership rather than repair hospitals and schools).

    AyaTrolLiar> On the illegality of the Israeli blockade

    At least he's admitted it's a blockade, not a "siege".

    Discussed here:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1673969


    4. That Hamas diverts power to foundries producing what the AyaTrolLiar claims are useless "firecrackers" (rockets) rather than to job-providing industries shows us their (Hamas and pouncer's) mis-prorities.

    AyaTrolLiar> [evaporates]


    5. Hamas, pouncer and their ilk reject "normalization", thus the terrorist attacks on projects such as the Erez Industrial Zone meant to provide employment to Gazans.

    AyaTrolLiar> ??


    6. Because things have worked out so well for Gaza going on the last 10 years, now pouncer and his ilk want to export this ruin to the "West Bank", too. (But not Samer, because he has relatives there and doesn't wish to sacrifice their well being, or themselves, to hate Israel/Jews.)

    AyaTrolLiar> [crawls back under his rock]
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 4:33 AM GMT
    On an on goes the pathological troll:

    AyaTrolLiar> the crisis in Gaza was "far beyond humanitarian, It's much more serious."

    7. How many people have died of starvation in Gaza, vs. in Ethiopia or Chad?

    AyaTrolLiar> [disappears]


    AyaTrolLiar> water

    8. In the late 1990s, Arafat torpedoed a (no cost!) desalination plant offered by donors because he preferred to fight over limited resources. A move supported by pouncer, because providing water to the people would have been a sell-out.

    AyaTrolLiar> [gone]

    In reality, Israel was prepared to provide more water years ago, but ironically to do so

    || it needed the approval of the Israeli-Palestinian Joint Water Committee, which stopped meeting in 2010.

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israel-helps-relieve-water-crisis-in-Gaza-Strip-by-doubling-supply-392976

    Israel helps relieve water crisis in Gaza Strip by doubling supply

    The AyaTrolLiar doesn't care, his concern was no more about "water" than it was about Palestinian Arabs. He just seeks to use them to attack Israel/Jews.


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    AyaTrolLiar> It's true that Gaza has a well-stocked supermarket here

    9. The picture is not of "a" (one, isolated) "supermarket" but of a street market, stall after stall, several blocks long. It caters not to a small number of wealthy people (his heroes, Hamas apparatchiks) but to the general public.

    AyaTrolLiar> small pockets of prosperity

    Fail (again and again).


    10. When Hamas breached the wall separating Gaza from Egypt, Gazans flocked to Egypt to buy luxury goods while Egyptians flocked into Gaza to buy basic necessities.

    AyaTrolLiar> Totally false. Gazans breached the wall because....

    Why isn't relevant. What happened after is. Egyptians entered Gaza to buy basic needs such as bread, fruits and vegetables, milk, rice, flour, eggs, etc.

    Gazans entered Egypt primarily to buy cigarettes, chocolate, meat, Coca-Cola (branded, not generic), etc.

    The NY Times reported:

    || Ahlan Ashour, 38, came with his wife to visit the Egyptian family, the Barhoums, who had put them up for 24 days during an earlier period when the Rafah crossing was shut. Mr. Ashour’s wife, Mohsin Elloulu, said she was struck by how much poorer the Egyptians of Rafah are. “At least our streets are paved,” she said of Gaza. The current lack of electricity and supplies is terrible, she said. “But materially, we’re so much more advanced in Gaza.” A driver here, she said, makes less than $1.50 a day, and in normal times in Gaza, $27.

    || So intense was the trading that even some Palestinians worried that there would be a backlash from impoverished Egyptians in Rafah. “This is not so good for the Palestinian people,” said Ahmed Shawa, a Gaza engineer who entered Egypt on Thursday. “Prices are becoming very high while people in Egyptian Rafah don’t have bread.

    AyaTrolLiar> [nada]


    And this:

    || When Israel pulled its settlers and troops out of Gaza in 2005, the Rafah crossing was opened with great fanfare to allow people in and out of Gaza. European Union supervisors were put in place, and Israeli video cameras monitored the traffic. But for security reasons, the crossing was often closed, and it has been shut completely since Hamas took over Gaza.

    AyaTrolLiar> [runs away]


    11. Trolls like pouncer complain that agricultural crops (the product of the greenhouses Israel left behind which weren't almost immediately destroyed by Palestinian gunmen, including those paid to secure them) spoiled while awaiting export to Israel and Europe.

    What? They were exporting nutrient rich food while their children were "starving" or "malnourished"?!

    Can you imagine Ethiopia or Chad being in a position to export food?


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawls back under his rock, still hiding there]


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    12. Neither is this picture of children in Gaza atypical. Unlike regions in Africa that suffer from starvation (to death), Gaza has a different problem: obesity. 17% of children are overweight or obese, about 40% of the overall population (putting Gaza near the top of the list, worldwide!).

    AyaTrolLiar> Obesity: Africa’s new crisis

    Africa is a continent. For your point to be relevant, you'd need to show obesity rates in the relevant regions of Ethiopia (or Chad).

    Just how stupid is he, or did he think anyone else would fall for that?!

    AyaTrolLiar> Over half of South Africa's children, and a good deal of the overall population, live in severe poverty. Yet nearly three quarters of South Africans are overweight and the country ranks third in a list of the world's most obese nations.

    Poverty ≠ starvation

    Now quit stalling: what are the figures for Ethiopia?


    13. Had the troll ever been there - another of his infamous fantasies/lies - he'd know much of this.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still not willing to admit he lied about that, too, but at least is no longer claiming he snuck in there.]
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 4:35 AM GMT
    Quit spamming.
    Already addressed above.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 5:36 AM GMT
    He's not just a moron but a liar:

    AyaTrolLiar> He asked for an example and I've provided one

    I did no such thing. I asked him to provide obesity rates in Ethiopia (or Chad).
    Not diversions about "poverty" elsewhere in the world.

    Even upon abdicating all the other points, why won't the dishonest troll come clean on the one point he pretends to still engage?

    Ethiopia has the LOWEST OBESITY RATE IN THE WORLD at 0.70%.
    Chad comes in at #7 LOWEST at 1.50%

    Compare to Gaza, which is #8 HIGHEST.


    Will he now stop pretending that there is "starvation" in Gaza?
    Perhaps focus his attention on Palestinian Arabs stuck in Yarmouk in Syria who survive, barely, on 400 calories a day?

    Of course not. The sick bastard hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for the Palestinian Arabs.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 6:11 AM GMT
    No one cares about your South African diversions.
    But I suppose that's all you have left.
    Keep running away and pretending in your own mind you're not.
    No one is fooled.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 7:48 AM GMT
    Topic: Palestinians receive 13x's more foreign aid than Ethiopians Per Capita

    This is Ethiopia, not Gaza:

    starving-child1.jpg
  • mwolverine

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    May 27, 2015 1:59 AM GMT
    Nice diversion, once again exposing AyaTrolLiar pouncer for the ruthless hater he is.
    (And he likely doesn't even understand why.)

    The discussion was about the well-being of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of children. With utter contempt for their well being, in Ethiopia and Gaza, he shows us buildings damaged during a war.

    We were talking about starving children (as in starving to death) - well, in Ethiopia as opposed to child obesity - a big problem in Gaza, yet almost unheard of in Ethiopia.


    Even the structual damage is minuscule compared to Nahr al Bared [a Palestinian Arab camp in Lebanon that was entirely flattened by the Lebanese Army to quell terrorists there) or Yarmouk (a Palestinian Arab camp in Syria) - about which the troll posted nothing - but then he's just trying to make a diversionary splash.

    Despite the heavy fighting, due to Israel's precautions only between 65-80 people were killed (35 of them civilians) plus 13 Israeli soldiers.

    Why was there heavy fighting in a residential neighborhood? Because Hamas fired some 400 rockets from there and many of their tunnels originated there.

    With a >5% launch failure/misfire rate of the terrorist rockets, some of the damage was caused by Hamas, and perhaps a significant part of the casualties due to the indiscriminant nature of that damage.

    This is exactly what I discussed previously (point 1 above): AyaTrolLiar pouncer opts for violence, terrorism and war over compromise and peaceful coexistence, and then wants to double-dip by pointing at the disastrous results of his strategy as if to justify it.

    A sane person, who cares about the residents, would say: "hey, it's not a good idea to engage in violence from here. No good will come out of it." Yet someone drunk on the kool-aid, prioritizing the propaganda over the people, or perhaps someone just insane with hate, would stomp his petty little feet and screech "See what they did? We need to fire more rockets at them!"

    Hamas went on to execute 20 residents as "collaborators" for daring to protest against Hamas using their homes as a military base of operations. (I'm sure the unnuanced AyaTrolLiar pouncer will rush, again, to tell us that collaborators were also executed in the Warsaw Ghetto so it's all the same.)

    Watch how now, cornered on all 13 points above, the AyaTrolLiar will persist with new points of diversion that are - as usual - completely off topic here.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3381

    May 27, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    The discussion was about the well-being of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of children. With utter contempt for their well being, in Ethiopia and Gaza, he shows us buildings damaged during a war.

    AyaTrolLiar> "homeless"

    That wasn't what you posted about.


    We were talking about starving children (as in starving to death) - well, in Ethiopia as opposed to child obesity - a big problem in Gaza, yet almost unheard of in Ethiopia.

    AyaTrolLiar> We were talking about aid and who deserves it.

    In some sick minds, overweight children parading with weapons are more worthy than children literally starving to death.


    Even the structual damage is minuscule compared to Nahr al Bared or Yarmouk (about which the troll posted nothing), but then he's just trying to make a diversionary splash.

    AyaTrolLiar> Yarmuk is caught between ISIS and a bloody dictatorship

    So you don't care about their suffering?
    You don't advocate any "flotillas" to assist thousands of people barely surviving on 400 calories per day?


    Despite the heavy fighting, due to Israel's precautions only between 65-80 people were killed (35 of them civilians) plus 13 Israeli soldiers.

    AyaTrolLiar> I do not have precise figures for Nahr al-Barid, but a few hundred people were killed across Lebanon in the September 2007 crisis, a few dozen of which were civilians. In tiny Gaza...

    ROTFL.

    First, note how little concern he has for Nahr al Bared.
    8 years later, he still doesn't know the first thing about it.

    Second, look how the dishonest propagandist twists:
    The battle was fought not "across Lebanon" but almost entirely in the camp.
    A camp where the total population was 30,000 (100% rendered homeless).
    Compared to "tiny Gaza", with some 1.5 million people.


    Why was there heavy fighting in a residential neighborhood? Because Hamas fired some 400 rockets from there and many of their tunnels originated .

    With a >5% launch failure/misfire rate of the terrorist rockets, some of the damage was caused by Hamas, and perhaps a significant part of the casualties due to the in discriminant nature of that damage.


    AyaTrolLiar> [Couldn't care less about these people]


    This is exactly what I discussed previously (point 1 above): AyaTrolLiar pouncer opts for violence, terrorism and war over compromise and peaceful coexistence, and then wants to double-dip by pointing at the disastrous results of his strategy as if to justify it.

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]


    A sane person, who cares about the residents, would say: "hey, it's not a good idea to engage in violence from here. No good will come out of it." Yet someone drunk on the kool-aid, prioritizing the propaganda over the people, or perhaps someone just insane with hate, would stomp his petty little feet and screech "See what they did? We need to fire more rockets at them!"

    AyaTrolLiar> [obviously drunk on the kool-aid or insane from hate.]


    Hamas went on to execute 20 residents as "collaborators" for daring to protest against Hamas using their homes as a military base of operations. (I'm sure the unnuanced AyaTrolLiar pouncer will rush, again, to tell us that collaborators were also executed in the Warsaw Ghetto so it's all the same.)

    AyaTrolLiar> thanks for admitting that 65-80 people were massacred there [by Israel]

    I didn't. I stated that many (or few) died as a result of the fighting brought there by Hamas, and that civilians were more likely killed by Hamas than by Israel.

    Again he shows his utter contempt for the people he pretends to be fighting for. The people who were "massacred" were the 20 people shot in cold blood by Hamas, for daring to protest against them because Hamas turned their neighborhood into a war zone, using them as pawns and endangering their families.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3381

    May 28, 2015 4:28 AM GMT
    The discussion was about the well-being of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of children. With utter contempt for their well being, in Ethiopia and Gaza, he shows us buildings damaged during a war.

    AyaTrolLiar> "homeless"

    That wasn't what he posted about.

    AyaTrolLiar> This thread is about aid and that is exactly what I posted about.

    He posted a video showing the destruction of buildings.
    That was the entirety of his post.
    In response to my posting of a photo of a child from Ethiopia showing acute signs of starvation (not obesity).


    We were talking about starving children (as in starving to death) - well, in Ethiopia as opposed to child obesity - a big problem in Gaza, yet almost unheard of in Ethiopia.

    AyaTrolLiar> We were talking about aid and who deserves it.

    In some sick minds, overweight children parading with weapons are more worthy than children literally starving to death.

    AyaTrolLiar> Damn them Hamas children eh?

    QED


    Even the structual damage is minuscule compared to Nahr al Bared or Yarmouk (about which the troll posted nothing), but then he's just trying to make a diversionary splash.

    AyaTrolLiar> Yarmuk is caught between ISIS and a bloody dictatorship

    So he don't care about their suffering?

    AyaTrolLiar> my tax money goes toward helping them

    If he even actually pays taxes (last I heard he was jobless and had never held a real job), that's a minuscule amount. That was his own point, how "miserly" all foreign aid budgets are. But that's good enough for children literally starving to death in Ethiopia and Yarmouk, but not for Gaza? For the latter he'll work putting together a for-show "convoy" that takes a year to deliver as much "aid" (much of it expired and useless) as routinely enters from Israel in an hour?


    You don't advocate any "flotillas" to assist thousands of people barely surviving on 400 calories per day?

    AyaTrolLiar> Are you saying that because I joined an aid convoy to Gaza that means I oppose aid convoys to everywhere else?

    I asked why he hasn't joined aid convoys to Ethiopia or Yarmouk.
    Oh, wait, that's right; there aren't any.
    Because those places need aid, not media circuses.


    AyaTrolLiar> I do not have precise figures for Nahr al-Barid, but a few hundred people were killed across Lebanon in the September 2007 crisis, a few dozen of which were civilians. In tiny Gaza...

    First, note how little concern he has for Nahr al Bared.
    8 years later, he still doesn't know the first thing about it.


    AyaTrolLiar> [rushes to look up some basic info. Finally!]

    Second, look how the dishonest propagandist twists:
    The battle was fought not "across Lebanon" but almost entirely in the camp.


    AyaTrolLiar> There were 52 civilian casualties in Nahr al-Barid (the Lebanese army evacuated most of the civilians, including families of militants, in pauses during the fighting). 33 were killed and many more wounded in gun fights and bombings across Lebanon

    Those facts are generally true but are the usual selective BS twist of AyaTrolLiar pouncer's flawed methodology. He has only provided the tip-of-the iceberg that suits him, suppressing 82% of the casualty figures:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Lebanon_conflict#Casualties

    || At least 446 people, including 168 soldiers and 226 militants, had been killed in the fighting during the 105-day siege of the camp. Between 400 and 500 soldiers had been wounded and more than 215 militants had been captured.


    A camp where the total population was 31,000 (100% rendered homeless).
    Compared to "tiny Gaza", with some 1.5 million people.


    AyaTrolLiar> ?


    AyaTrolLiar> Why is there a Nahr al-Barid camp and a Yarmuk camp in the first place?

    see:

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691


    Despite the heavy fighting, due to Israel's precautions only between 65-80 people were killed (35 of them civilians) plus 13 Israeli soldiers.

    AyaTrolLiar> Shuja'iyah, Military assessments... massive firepower... to kill a lot of people in as short a period of time as possible... removing the topsoil... crater the neighborhood...

    Wow, all that and still only 65-80 casualties, roughly half of them civilians? Consider further that Shuja'iyya (in "tiny Gaza") is 3x as populous as Nahr al-Bared.

    AyaTrolLiar> The actual range is 65-120.

    The 120 is not from a credible source (it's a news report the day after citing no primary source). The 65 figure comes from the hospital, the UN said 70. the Palestinian Ministry of Health said 80.

    Recall that for AyaTrolLiar pouncer, 9/11 was a "small-time massacre" (which the US had coming given it's foreign policy).


    Why was there heavy fighting in a residential neighborhood? Because Hamas fired some 400 rockets from there and many of their tunnels originated here.

    AyaTrolLiar> ?


    With a >5% launch failure/misfire rate of the terrorist rockets, some of the damage was caused by Hamas, and perhaps a significant part of the casualties due to the indiscriminant nature of that damage.

    AyaTrolLiar> we are to believe that about 20 such "rockets" caused this?

    At point blank range? You bet!

    Gaza rocket misfires, kills 3-year-old Palestinian girl
    Four members of the girl's family were injured after the rocket landed on their house

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4534231,00.html

    In another neighborhood, we know that 1 misfired rocket killed 13 Gazans, 11 of them children.


    This is exactly what I discussed previously (point 1 above): AyaTrolLiar pouncer opts for violence, terrorism and war over compromise and peaceful coexistence, and then wants to double-dip by pointing at the disastrous results of his strategy as if to justify it.

    AyaTrolLiar> Israel had already imposed "violence, terrorism and war", and the only things Gazans could do about it was defend themselves.

    A reversal of causality, both in the near and far field.

    Last summer, Hamas began firing rockets from Gaza at Israeli civilians after Israeli forces cracked down on Hamas cells in Judea & Samaria (previously Trans/Jordan's so-called "West Bank") after the brutal murder of 3 Israeli children.

    In the larger context, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. There was no pacific response, instead terrorism from Gaza against Israeli civilians skyrocketed.

    Going back even earlier, to the mid 1990s, Hamas became infamous for its suicide bombings in Israeli cities. Not because they were "resisting" the Israeli "occupation", but trying to torpedo the Oslo peace process.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3381

    May 28, 2015 4:29 AM GMT
    A sane person, who cares about the residents, would say: "hey, it's not a good idea to engage in violence from here. No good will come out of it." Yet someone drunk on the kool-aid, prioritizing the propaganda over the people, or perhaps someone just insane with hate, would stomp his petty little feet and screech "See what they did? We need to fire more rockets at them!"

    AyaTrolLiar> c echoes not resistance movements around the world with this sentiment but oppressive states. It is exactly the same thing Turkey says to the PKK, that Putin says to the Chechens... How is Israel any different?

    Perhaps if you got out of your mum's basement and actually visited these places you'd have a clue. But while standing on one foot, let me note that Turkey has not offered Kurds a two-state solution, neither has Russia to the Chechens.


    Hamas went on to execute 20 residents as "collaborators" for daring to protest against Hamas using their homes as a military base of operations. (I'm sure the unnuanced AyaTrolLiar pouncer will rush, again, to tell us that collaborators were also executed in the Warsaw Ghetto so it's all the same.)

    AyaTrolLiar> the RESIDENTS of Shuja'iyah claim the only "massacre" (their word) was committed by Israel.

    After 20 of their neighbors were executed for complaining about Hamas, you think they'd say something else?

    The objective reality is that even if some 35 civilians died during fighting (not a "massacre"), the only masssacre there was of 20 peaceful protesters. Not by Israel, but by Hamas. Which AyaTrolLiar pouncer continues to embrace because he hates Israel/Jews more than he cares for these Gazans.

    Again he shows his utter contempt for the people he pretends to be fighting for. The people who were "massacred" were the 20 people shot in cold blood by Hamas, for daring to protest against them because Hamas turned their neighborhood into a war zone, using them as pawns and endangering their families.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 3381

    May 29, 2015 5:18 AM GMT
    The discussion was about the well-being of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of children. With utter contempt for their well being, in Ethiopia and Gaza, he shows us buildings damaged during a war.

    AyaTrolLiar> "homeless"

    That wasn't what he posted about.
    He posted about structural damage.

    AyaTrolLiar> How many "children" does he think that includes?

    So the comparison is children who are temporarily homeless in Gaza to children who are starving to death in Ethiopia?


    AyaTrolLiar> This thread is about aid and that is exactly what I posted about.

    He posted a video showing the destruction of buildings.
    That was the entirety of his post.
    In response to my posting of a photo of a child from Ethiopia showing acute signs of starvation (not obesity).


    We were talking about starving children (as in starving to death) - well, in Ethiopia as opposed to child obesity - a big problem in Gaza, yet almost unheard of in Ethiopia.

    AyaTrolLiar> We were talking about aid and who deserves it. "Starvation" is not the only measure of a humanitarian crisis, except to sick morons

    In some sick minds, overweight children parading with weapons are more worthy of aid than children literally starving to death.

    AyaTrolLiar> of the 547 children Israel murdered last year, how many were "Hamas" children?

    Israel didn't "murder" children. If he actually cared about the children (rather than just ab/use them), he'd advocate that Hamas not launch rockets from their schools and next to their bedrooms.

    The deranged idiot claims that is Hamas' "right", as if that trumps the children.


    Even the structual damage is minuscule compared to Nahr al Bared or Yarmouk (about which the troll posted nothing), but then he's just trying to make a diversionary splash.

    AyaTrolLiar> Yarmuk is caught between ISIS and a bloody dictatorship

    So he doesn't care about their suffering?

    AyaTrolLiar> my tax money goes toward helping them

    If he even actually pays taxes, that's a minuscule amount. That was his own point, how "miserly" all foreign aid budgets are.

    AyaTrolLiar> The UK is by far the biggest donor

    And still its aid is minuscule, does even $1 of his taxes end up in the UK foreign aid budget?

    But that's good enough for children literally starving to death in Ethiopia and Yarmouk, but not for Gaza? For the latter he'll work putting together a for-show "convoy" that takes a year to deliver as much "aid" (much of it expired and useless) as routinely enters from Israel in an hour?

    AyaTrolLiar> I support any aid convoys to besieged and occupied people. Are you saying that because I joined an aid convoy to Gaza that means I oppose aid convoys to everywhere else?

    Note the difference between "support" and "advocate" let alone "join".

    If there was such a "need" to "join" an "aid" "convoy" to Gaza a few years ago, why no impetus to do so for Yarmouk?


    AyaTrolLiar> as everyone agrees the actions of Assad and IS cannot be justified, and both are rightly boycotted in the West, there is no need to educate the public on this issue.

    So the "flotilla" media circus wasn't about delivering "aid", but theater for Western consumption (better known as propaganda)?


    I asked why he hasn't joined aid convoys to Ethiopia or Yarmouk.
    Oh, wait, that's right; there aren't any.
    Because those places need aid, not media circuses.

    AyaTrolLiar> No one pretends a crisis doesn't exist in Ethiopia or Yarmuk. The problem is merely one of boosting the aid allocation.

    He doesn't see the need to "boost the aid allocation"?
    Only for Gaza, Gaza, Gaza?


    AyaTrolLiar> organized run for cancer research ("media circuses" that raise tiny amounts of aid compared to what is donated every day).

    The question is why there are no "runs" for Syria yet so many "runs" for Gaza.

    The appropriate analogy would be if there were no "runs" for Breast Cancer but only for Prostate Cancer. Or none for Cancer, only for runners with stubbed toes (you know, needing tax deductions for expired medicines and cement, etc).