Mahmoud Abbas: We Should Let Palestinians in Syria Die

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    May 24, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/05/01/mahmoud-abbas-we-should-let-palestinians-in-syria-die/

    In January 2013, Mahmoud Abbas bragged that he chose to let the Palestinians die rather than enter his territories.

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    The Action Group for Palestinians in Syria now counts 2,771 Palestinians killed since the start of the Syrian civil war. 100 were killed in March alone.

    Many of these Palestinians could have been saved if it wasn’t for the deep desire by Arabs to destroy Israel – and a conscious decision by their “leader” – Mahmoud Abbas.
  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    Once again AyaTrolLiar pouncer proves that he hates Israel/Jews more than he actually cares for the Palestinian Arabs.

    Despite Decades of Enmity, Israel Quietly Aids Syrian Civilians
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/world/middleeast/despite-decades-of-enmity-israel-quietly-aids-syrian-civilians.html?_r=0

    For Syrian refugees in Jordan, aid from Israel comes in a whisper
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-syrian-refugees-in-jordan-aid-from-israel-comes-in-a-whisper

    Israeli organization delivers hundreds of tons of food, medicine to Syrian refugees
    http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Israeli-organization-delivers-hundreds-of-tons-of-food-medicine-to-Syrian-refugees-325579

    But where are the "flotillas"?!
  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 9:22 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> deterring Syria

    If the IDF massed on the border, pouncer and his ilk would be quick to condemn Israeli aggression, taking advantage of a weak Syria, etc.

    If there were altercations and shots fired, they would immediately fault the IDF for "massacres". (And, I suppose, then - and only then - they would finally jump to action and start organizing "flotillas"/"convoys")

    The selective hypocrisy is also visible: why not criticize Turkey for its lack of "deterring"? Or his own country, why hasn't the Royal Navy been dispatched off the coast of Syria?


    The idiotic lunacy goes on:

    AyaTrolLiar> what % of Syrian refugees is Israel treating?

    The lie progresses from Israel isn't doing anything ("car[ing not] a whit") to alleging it isn't doing more.

    Still, its aid is an infinite amount more than the non-existent "flotilla" and "convoys" that rushed "aid" (such as expired medications and cement) to a much less needy Gaza.

    When it was pointed out at the time that pouncer was a faux "humanitarian", he replied that he wasn't a humanitarian. Duh!
  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
    Israel's aid is an infinite amount more than the non-existent "flotilla" and "convoys" that rushed "aid" (such as expired medications and cement) to a much less needy Gaza.

    AyaTrolLiar> The flotillas of years past mostly predated the civil war in Syria, which is not a war of race, foreign occupation or denial of self-determination

    What a stark admission that the "aid" had nothing to do with humanitarian conditions in Gaza but with [surprise!] politics.

    Which also explains why there are no "flotillas"/"convoys" to Syria.
    Politics!

    When it was pointed out at the time that pouncer was a faux "humanitarian", he replied that he wasn't a humanitarian. Duh!


    AyaTrolLiar> The aid organization with which I was associated also sent convoys to Kashmir.

    Strange that in pages of discussion at the time you didn't volunteer that.
    Maybe you would have also then lied about having snuck into Kashmir as you allegedly did into Gaza?


    AyaTrolLiar> As for the supplies that spoiled, this was due to months sitting in a Tel Aviv warehouse

    BS. They were duly transferred to Gaza, where Hamas refused to unload them (because they came by land rather than by sea).

    Furthermore, some of those "flotillas"/"Convoys" took nearly a year before they set out or took that much time in media circuses, sailing from port to port (or driving through Africa, collecting donations from far more needy people).

    In fact, the "supplies" were beyond their expiration date at launch, some even when donated (tax write-off scam?)

    Let's further recall that that the entire "flotilla" - in the works for a year - brought in about as much aid as normally comes via Israel in an hour. Hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

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  • mwolverine

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    May 25, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
    The lie progresses from Israel isn't doing anything ("car[ing not] a whit") to alleging it isn't doing more.

    AyaTrolLiar> idioms

    Like your propaganda arguments-by-soundbites/slogans, the "idiom" didn't fit and was wrong.


    When an ignorant idiot and pathological liar posts, this is what you get:

    AyaTrolLiar> Israel long ago could have mobilized its forces in the north if it cared a whit for the suffering people of Syria, which would likely have deterred Syrian army assaults on the major cities

    Now it's only "likely"? And if it didn't, then Israel would have just sent its troops home - and you'd have nothing to bark about?

    But what is more likely? Perhaps Assad seeking to use "Zionist expansion" ("the enemy is at the gate") to start a war that would put everyone in line behind him?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/world/middleeast/16golan.html?_r=0

    || For 37 years the border between Israel and Syria, still technically at war, has proven as quiet as any of the Arab-Israeli frontiers silenced by peace agreements. On Sunday, it was not, and the tumult on the Golan Heights could augur a new phase of the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad and the web of international relations he is navigating.

    || For the first time in his 11-year reign, Mr. Assad demonstrated to Israel, the region and world that in an uprising that has posed the greatest threat to his family’s four decades of rule, he could provoke war to stay in power.

    || “It’s a message by the Syrian government for Israel and the international community: If you continue the pressure on us, we will ignite the front with Israel,” said Radwan Ziadeh, a Syrian dissident and visiting scholar at George Washington University.


    Why not criticize Turkey for its lack of "deterring"? Or his own country, why hasn't the Royal Navy been dispatched off the coast of Syria?

    AyaTrolLiar> Why deflect attention? Is this a case of "Israel sucks, but look over there - other countries suck too"?

    Hardly. The topic, if you were genuine, should be efforts to contain violence in Syria. But for sick perverts like him, full of hate, even when the topic is about Syria... it's really about Israel/Jews.

    As far as AyaTrolLiar pouncer is concerned, this thread (like dozens of others) might as well be titled "Israel sucks". For him, if he posts, that's the topic.
  • mwolverine

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    May 26, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    1. Israel's aid is an infinite amount more than the non-existent "flotilla" and "convoys" that rushed "aid" (such as expired medications and cement) to a much less needy Gaza.

    AyaTrolLiar> The flotillas of years past mostly predated the civil war in Syria, which is not a war of race, foreign occupation or denial of self-determination

    1B. What a stark admission that the "aid" had nothing to do with humanitarian conditions in Gaza but with [surprise!] politics.

    Which also explains why there are no "flotillas"/"convoys" to Syria.
    Politics!

    When it was pointed out at the time that pouncer was a faux "humanitarian", he replied that he wasn't a humanitarian. Duh!

    AyaTrolLiar> [long winded rant, incorrectly ascribing this fault to others, which actually concedes the point (1B).]

    It isn't "humanitarianism" or concern for the Palestinian Arabs which drives him, but the politics of hating Israel/Jews.

    What did he forget? To actually challenge the initial point (1)!
    He thus concedes that, too.
  • tj85016

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    May 27, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
    sometimes I play online backgammon on this crappy Israeli game site (it's really a scam to sell tokens and this VIP nonsense because the chance games are manipulated and rigged)

    but there's tons of Israelis, Iranians (ironically), Macedonians, Egyptians, etc

    these people are the biggest cheats (they use game software algos to rig the dice) and petty losers I've even seen in my life
  • mwolverine

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    May 27, 2015 1:53 AM GMT
    We're not discussing South Africa.

    How odd. He thinks he "won" the point, yet he also knows that he has to keep spamming his nonsense precisely because the best he can do is divert.

    Moving on to the next point:

    AyaTrolLiar> The aid organization with which I was associated also sent convoys to Kashmir.

    2. Strange that in pages of discussion at the time he didn't volunteer that.
    Maybe he would have also then lied about having snuck into Kashmir as he allegedly did into Gaza?
  • mwolverine

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    May 27, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
    1. Israel's aid is an infinite amount more than the non-existent "flotilla" and "convoys" that rushed "aid" (such as expired medications and cement) to a much less needy Gaza.

    AyaTrolLiar> The flotillas of years past mostly predated the civil war in Syria, which is not a war of race, foreign occupation or denial of self-determination

    1B. What a stark admission that the "aid" had nothing to do with humanitarian conditions in Gaza but with [surprise!] politics.

    Which also explains why there are no "flotillas"/"convoys" to Syria.
    Politics!

    When it was pointed out at the time that pouncer was a faux "humanitarian", he replied that he wasn't a humanitarian. Duh!

    AyaTrolLiar> [long winded rant, incorrectly ascribing this fault to others, which actually concedes the point (1B).]

    It isn't "humanitarianism" or concern for the Palestinian Arabs which drives him, but the politics of hating Israel/Jews.

    What did he forget? To actually challenge the initial point (1)!
    He thus concedes that, too.

    AyaTrolLiar> bark bark bark South Africa blah blah blah

    We're not discussing South Africa.

    How odd. He thinks he "won" the point, yet he also knows that he has to keep spamming his nonsense precisely because the best he can do is divert.

    AyaTrolLiar> [spams it again, proving me right]

    Or perhaps that's just his strategy to avoid discussing the next points, where he's got even less than above?
  • mwolverine

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    May 27, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    Moving on:

    AyaTrolLiar> The aid organization with which I was associated also sent convoys to Kashmir.

    2. Strange that in pages of discussion at the time he didn't volunteer that.
    Maybe he would have also then lied about having snuck into Kashmir as he allegedly did into Gaza?
  • mwolverine

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    May 27, 2015 7:17 PM GMT
    As noted, we're not discussing South Africa.
    Yes folks, he is that scared of actually discussing the topic!

    Moving on:

    AyaTrolLiar> The aid organization with which I was associated also sent convoys to Kashmir.

    2. Strange that in pages of discussion at the time he didn't volunteer that.
    Maybe he would have also then lied about having snuck into Kashmir as he allegedly did into Gaza?
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 4:13 AM GMT
    Samer is exactly right. The situation here is completely unlike South Africa. Under the Mandate, Arabs and Jews were both citizens with equal protection under the law. In Israel today (where even AyaTrolLiar pouncer admits there is no "apartheid"), as for the last half century, Arabs and Jews are both citizens with equal protection under the law.

    Even in the disputed territories, AyaTrolLiar pouncer's rationalization is that there is "apartheid" because some Jews (who are Israeli citizens) aren't governed by PA/Hamas law (unlike the Arabs).

    This isn't the cause of the conflict but a by-product of it.

    Note further that if all these Jews disappeared from the territories tomorrow, the legal rights of the Arabs wouldn't change at all. They would still enjoy less freedoms than they had under Israeli rule (pre Oslo) and live under the rule of the PA (or in Gaza, the dictatorship of Hamas).

    So even if we were to term this a "problem", it would be resolved by reaching a peace agreement and ending the conflict.

    While both Samer and I would like to see this happen, it is unfathomable for AyaTrolLiar pouncer. He'd rather perpetuate the conflict until total victory (er, "justice!"). Absent the conflict, how will he punish his mortal enemy, Israel/Jews? He'll happily sacrifice thousands of Palestinian Arabs if he can have a few dozen Jews killed in the process.

    samylicious saidDon't compare Palestinians as South Africans. We are nothing alike.

    My dad told me a story how Israelis and Palestinians used to live together without borders before 1967. My dad immigrated to the United States from Israeli airport. When he returned home, he took a taxi cap to see his parents in Judea and Samaria. The guy in the taxi cap is an Israeli Jew. He drove my dad home all the way from Tel Aviv to a small Christian town near Ramallah.

    I met an Israeli guy other day told me the same story how Palestinians take care of his dad trip A to B. Until Jordan took over, my parents refused to accept Jordanian citizenships.
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 7:46 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar pouncer twiststhe kind of person who's liable to doubt there's even a "problem" to begin with.

    What I actually said:

    This isn't the cause of the conflict but a by-product of it.

    Note further that if all these Jews disappeared from the territories tomorrow, the legal rights of the Arabs wouldn't change at all. They would still enjoy less freedoms than they had under Israeli rule (pre Oslo) and live under the rule of the PA (or in Gaza, the dictatorship of Hamas).

    So even if we were to term this a "problem", it would be resolved by reaching a peace agreement and ending the conflict.


    Which is to say that the "problem" from hatist racist pouncer's perspective isn't the limited rights of the Arab population (under PA/Hamas rule), but the presence of Jews.
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 7:48 AM GMT
    samylicious saidDo you know apartheid really exist in the Arab world too? They don't give the Palestinians same rights like any other citizens.

    This is completely irrelevant to AyaTrolLiar pouncer because he can't use it to attack Israel/Jews.
    Which just goes to show (again) that he hates Israel/Jews more than he cares about the Palestinian Arabs.
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 7:54 AM GMT
    samylicious saidHamas is even worst, how could you defend a group that want an Islamic state like Iran?

    Hamas, like Iran (and Hizbullah, the terrorist group that prior to 9/11 had murdered more Americans than any other), is the enemy of his enemy, so he embraces them.

    Never mind if they prevent Churches in Gaza from ringing their bells on Christmas (it's a public nuisance, they say, but not so the Muslim call to prayer 5-times a day, broadcast from every mosque).

    Never mind that if he ever visited Gaza and told them he was gay that they would kill him on the spot.

    Never mind that when residents of a neighborhood from which they were firing rockets and digging tunnels protested, they shot and executed 20 of them for being "collaborators".

    On and on it goes, but none of it matters to AyaTrolLiar pouncer.
    Hamas attacks Jews/Israel, therefore they must be good.
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 8:08 AM GMT
    But to really appreciate the depths of AyaTrolLiar pouncer's demented state, his combination of idiocy and lunacy, consider this:

    AyaTrolLiar> Clearly the latter [Samer] is looking for friends in all the wrong places.
    ...being sweet-talked

    Now consider what he told me via email just 48 hours earlier:

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    Clearly he's a pathological liar.
    Who's not very bright (as if anyone would buy into his snakeoil?)
    Completely insane, mad with his hate.
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 1:08 PM GMT
    Watch how even after he is called out for one lie, the pathological troll can't help himself from repeating it:

    AyaTrolLiar pouncer twiststhe kind of person who's liable to doubt there's even a "problem" to begin with.

    What I actually said:

    This isn't the cause of the conflict but a by-product of it.

    Note further that if all these Jews disappeared from the territories tomorrow, the legal rights of the Arabs wouldn't change at all. They would still enjoy less freedoms than they had under Israeli rule (pre Oslo) and live under the rule of the PA (or in Gaza, the dictatorship of Hamas).

    So even if we were to term this a "problem", it would be resolved by reaching a peace agreement and ending the conflict.


    Which is to say that the "problem" from hatist racist pouncer's perspective isn't the limited rights of the Arab population (under PA/Hamas rule), but the presence of Jews.

    AyaTrolLiar pouncer again "quotes" me out of contextHere is what you "actually said":

    c> So even if we were to term this a "problem"

    What? There is no "problem" of Apartheid in the West Bank?

    What is the "problem"?
    The rights of Arabs living under the authoritarian PA and Hamas dictatorship?
    That there are Jews living in Judea & Samaria?
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
    samylicious saidDo you know apartheid really exist in the Arab world too? They don't give the Palestinians same rights like any other citizens.

    This is completely irrelevant to AyaTrolLiar pouncer because he can't use it to attack Israel/Jews.
    Which just goes to show (again) that he hates Israel/Jews more than he cares about the Palestinian Arabs.

    AyaTrolLiar> I have condemned it

    Hardly. And he's never once brought it up of his own volition, only as johnny-come-lately after I mentioned it. In fact, he's on record having said that staying in camps in Arab countries is better than being integrated into the society.


    samylicious saidHamas is even worst, how could you defend a group that want an Islamic state like Iran?

    Hamas, like Iran (and Hizbullah, the terrorist group that prior to 9/11 had murdered more Americans than any other), is the enemy of his enemy, so he embraces them.

    AyaTrolLiar> The classical "enemy of my enemy" strategy is supporting jihadist groups to undermine secular opponents. Whether it be Israeli support for Hamas to undermine the PLO

    Israel NEVER supported Hamas (founded in 1987) against the PLO.

    How insane is it for him to criticize others (allegedly!) supporting Hamas when he supports Hamas?


    Never mind if they prevent Churches in Gaza from ringing their bells on Christmas (it's a public nuisance, they say, but not so the Muslim call to prayer 5-times a day, broadcast from every mosque).

    AyaTrolLiar> BS

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7154134.stm

    || the Latin church bells are played, quietly, from a tape

    That's just the tip of the iceberg. Christian stores and libraries have been burned and the majority of the Palestinian Arab Christians in Gaza had already fled the territory by 2011.


    Never mind that if he ever visited Gaza and told them he was gay that they would kill him on the spot.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence. Good thing him visiting was just another of his pathological fantasies/lies]


    Never mind that when residents of a neighborhood from which they were firing rockets and digging tunnels protested, they shot and executed 20 of them for being "collaborators".

    AyaTrolLiar> [couldn't care less. Firing rockets at Israel/Jews is more important]


    On and on it goes, but none of it matters to AyaTrolLiar pouncer.
    Hamas attacks Jews/Israel, therefore they must be good.

  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 1:31 PM GMT
    But to really appreciate the depths of AyaTrolLiar pouncer's demented state, his combination of idiocy and lunacy, consider this:

    AyaTrolLiar> Clearly the latter [Samer] is looking for friends in all the wrong places.
    ...being sweet-talked

    Now consider what he told me via email just 48 hours earlier:

    s4w238.jpg

    Clearly he's a pathological liar.
    Who's not very bright (as if anyone would buy into his snakeoil?)
    Completely insane, mad with his hate.

    AyaTrolLiar> Samer told me you have a drinking problem, and then even sent me a screenshot of your email exchange.

    I don't even drink alcohol.

    If he had a screenshot at the time he sent his email he wouldn't have needed to "guess".

    The only person who attempted to "manipulate" things was the AyaTrolLiar, seeking to drive a wedge between Samer and me - lying (for the cause!) to do so.

    The illogical pouncer is once again caught arguing from multiple and contradicting premises (whatever suits his argument that second): it's not possible that Samer simultaneously "is looking for friends in all the wrong places" and "he's been giggling to me all night and all morning that you're some kind of drunk on top of being an idiot"!
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    pouncer saidOh, and that time you thought it was funny to call black people "n*ggers". Remember that?

    That was Ian, not Samer....
  • mwolverine

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    May 28, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar pouncer has a highly inflated view of himself, not shared by anyone. Clever-by-half, yet considers that genius. Probably can't understand why he flunked out of school and hasn't gotten anywhere in life. Reality is a bitch. So is Karma.

    samylicious saidPouncer seriously?! He doesn't has any drinking problem. Dude, when are you going to learn to stop arguing with Leeron? You said I am not a really good debater? Then you said a 3 year old is smarter than me? Pouncer everyone on REALJOCK think you are a moron. I can see why Leeron arguing with you the whole time because you can't stop. He is having fun. You are desperate.

    Not just on RJ, also on FaceBook.
    And very likely in real life, too.
  • mwolverine

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    May 29, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidCan you two please conduct all of your "debate" via email

    Sure, once all the Hillary threads are moved to email.
  • mwolverine

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    May 29, 2015 3:15 AM GMT
    Back to the issues:

    1. Israel's aid is an infinite amount more than the non-existent "flotilla" and "convoys" that rushed "aid" (such as expired medications and cement) to a much less needy Gaza.]

    AyaTrolLiar> The flotillas of years past mostly predated the civil war in Syria, which is not a war of race, foreign occupation or denial of self-determination

    1B. What a stark admission that the "aid" had nothing to do with humanitarian conditions in Gaza but with [surprise!] politics.

    Which also explains why there are no "flotillas"/"convoys" to Syria.
    Politics!

    When it was pointed out at the time that pouncer was a faux "humanitarian", he replied that he wasn't a humanitarian. Duh!

    AyaTrolLiar> [long winded rant, incorrectly ascribing this fault to others, which actually concedes the point (1B).]

    It isn't "humanitarianism" or concern for the Palestinian Arabs which drives him, but the "politics" of hating Israel/Jews.

    What did he forget? To actually challenge the initial point (1)!
    He thus concedes that, too.
  • mwolverine

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    May 29, 2015 3:17 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> The aid organization with which I was associated also sent convoys to Kashmir.

    2. Strange that in pages of discussion at the time he didn't volunteer that.
    Maybe he would have also then lied about having snuck into Kashmir as alleged he did into Gaza?


    Even Samer knows that's a lie:

    Samylicious> You are not a Palestinian or an Israeli. You have never been there too.
  • mwolverine

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    May 29, 2015 3:21 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> As for the supplies that spoiled, this was due to months sitting in a Tel Aviv warehouse

    3A. They were duly transferred to Gaza, where Hamas refused to unload them (because they came by land rather than by sea).

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence]


    3B. Some of those "flotillas"/"Convoys" took nearly a year before they set out or took that much time in media circuses, sailing from port to port (or driving through Africa, collecting donations from far more needy people).

    AyaTrolLiar> [nada]


    3C. The "supplies" were beyond their expiration date at launch, some even when donated (tax write-off scam?)

    AyaTrolLiar> [knows it's true]


    3D. The entire "flotilla" - in the works for a year - brought in about as much aid as normally comes via Israel in an hour. Hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

    AyaTrolLiar> [remains cowered under his rock]

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