Where shall i go ??!!

  • Mohannned

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    May 26, 2015 3:59 AM GMT
    Hi guys ,,
    some of you know me , but most do not because I don't participate as much in the forum ,,,,
    I wanted to share something with u guys and also ask for ur help if it's possible

    I'm 25 years now living and from Tripoli Libya
    In my country other than a civil war that is going on at the moment i am considered illegal person and would be punished by 5 to 20 years in prison or honor killed by my family for nothing just being who i am and that is a homosexual
    Also I could be punished by death penelty by law because of my religious believes , even though I was born and raised as a muslim i stopped believing in that a while ago , simply because if you are a person of colour , would you believe in a religion that condems and inslaves you , well my ex religion condems and punishes me for who I am.

    So because of all that i am grounded in my life , i turn to the Internet to feel a little bit of freedom (even though this might be the last website not blocked in my country still , because after blocking all porn sites they decided to also block all sites that have a homosexual theme of any sort , don't know how they still didn't block this site ? )
    but lately i have been loosing the battle with myself , im 25 now and never had a relationship, I'm feeling empty and no longer as proud as i used to be of myself
    i accepted my homosexuality in a very young age and for the fist time ever now I'm wishing I'm straight specially now my family are pressuring me to find me a wife

    sex was easy to me because in my country men are horny and separated from women so me being a beautiful man (i have blue eyes and white skin witch is exotic in here since its rare) i appeal to them for sex or other things of sort , i just don't want that anymore
    i want to be in a relationship
    to hold hands with someone in public
    to cuddle with someone
    to love and be loved without fear nor regret
    is that too much to ask from this life

    No idea what to do , my smile is fading away day by day and i dream of moving , but don't know how
    where shall i go?
    what shall i do?
    i have no idea now where my life is going ,, no clue how can i start ,,, you know ,,, living

    Sorry for my long and probably boring post but this is not a movie , this is my life and i hope maybe one of you reading this is the angel i used to believe in existing and know the way out for me ,,,,, maybe point it out to me

    Thanx guys
    xoxo
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    May 26, 2015 5:05 AM GMT
    I remember talking to you several years ago, before the civil war. I haven't seen you post in a long time and was worried that something had happened to you during the initial fighting.

    Any chance that you can apply for a visa to move to a more accepting country?
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    May 26, 2015 5:12 AM GMT
    You should go any country where being gay is legal and socially accepted.
    Most people would advice you to go to Europe or USA but it will be almost impossible for you to get a visa. I hate to recommend my own country because I dont really like foreigners but Uruguay is super gay friendly, liberal and is fairly easy to get a visa. It also ranks #1 as the country with best quality of life in Latin America, most people are middle class, non-religious and as I said very liberal (gays can marry, adopt, legally change their names to the opposite gender, etc).

    So If I were you I would get out of your country as soon as posible and go to a place you know you can legally work and have a good life as a gay man. There are probably other countries with the same characteristics as Uruguay so if I were you I should make a research and then decide.
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    May 26, 2015 5:13 AM GMT
    Mohannned saidWhere shall i go ??!!
    I would say hell, but it sounds like you're already there.
    Maybe paradise? I know the US isn't exactly a haven for homos, but it's way more accepting than where you're at. And our immigration laws would totally accept you as you are, even though they are quite difficult to get through.
  • Mohannned

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    May 26, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
    NDmike saidI remember talking to you several years ago, before the civil war. I haven't seen you post in a long time and was worried that something had happened to you during the initial fighting.

    Any chance that you can apply for a visa to move to a more accepting country?


    Thanx man for being worried over my safety i apappreciate it ,,,, lm ok considering everything

    From a neighbor country maybe i can get a visa but the process is toooooo expensive
  • Mohannned

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    May 26, 2015 5:53 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Mohannned saidWhere shall i go ??!!
    I would say hell, but it sounds like you're already there.
    Maybe paradise? I know the US isn't exactly a haven for homos, but it's way more accepting than where you're at. And our immigration laws would totally accept you as you are, even though they are quite difficult to get through.


    Most Of Americans don't appreciate what they have ,,, to me its paradise ,,, but getting there could be the hardest thing ever
  • Mohannned

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    May 26, 2015 6:00 AM GMT
    David666k saidYou should go any country where being gay is legal and socially accepted.
    Most people would advice you to go to Europe or USA but it will be almost impossible for you to get a visa. I hate to recommend my own country because I dont really like foreigners but Uruguay is super gay friendly, liberal and is fairly easy to get a visa. It also ranks #1 as the country with best quality of life in Latin America, most people are middle class, non-religious and as I said very liberal (gays can marry, adopt, legally change their names to the opposite gender, etc).

    So If I were you I would get out of your country as soon as posible and go to a place you know you can legally work and have a good life as a gay man. There are probably other countries with the same characteristics as Uruguay so if I were you I should make a research and then decide.


    Thanx man but getting a visa right now here to any place is impossible since al embassies departed during the war
    the only possible is by going to tunisia and applying from there in a long and very expensive process , i have some money to do so but then i will be in a new country with nothing ,,,, money is a big problem here
  • Mohannned

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    May 26, 2015 6:05 AM GMT
    sxysam said
    Mohannned said
    paulflexes said
    Mohannned saidWhere shall i go ??!!
    I would say hell, but it sounds like you're already there.
    Maybe paradise? I know the US isn't exactly a haven for homos, but it's way more accepting than where you're at. And our immigration laws would totally accept you as you are, even though they are quite difficult to get through.


    Most Of Americans don't appreciate what they have ,,, to me its paradise ,,, but getting there could be the hardest thing ever


    Most Americans don't like our U.S. government, that is why we are Republicans and Democrats. lol

    Even in the U.S. some area being gay is illegal too. Especially if you are Amish and conservative towns.


    So weird to hear that , i thought America is all about freedom
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    May 26, 2015 6:07 AM GMT
    Mohannned said
    sxysam said
    Mohannned said
    paulflexes said
    Mohannned saidWhere shall i go ??!!
    I would say hell, but it sounds like you're already there.
    Maybe paradise? I know the US isn't exactly a haven for homos, but it's way more accepting than where you're at. And our immigration laws would totally accept you as you are, even though they are quite difficult to get through.


    Most Of Americans don't appreciate what they have ,,, to me its paradise ,,, but getting there could be the hardest thing ever


    Most Americans don't like our U.S. government, that is why we are Republicans and Democrats. lol

    Even in the U.S. some area being gay is illegal too. Especially if you are Amish and conservative towns.


    So weird to hear that , i thought America is all about freedom


    ROFL - don't buy what you see on TV
  • Mohannned

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    May 26, 2015 6:12 AM GMT
    David666k said
    Mohannned said
    sxysam said
    Mohannned said
    paulflexes said
    Mohannned saidWhere shall i go ??!!
    I would say hell, but it sounds like you're already there.
    Maybe paradise? I know the US isn't exactly a haven for homos, but it's way more accepting than where you're at. And our immigration laws would totally accept you as you are, even though they are quite difficult to get through.


    Most Of Americans don't appreciate what they have ,,, to me its paradise ,,, but getting there could be the hardest thing ever


    Most Americans don't like our U.S. government, that is why we are Republicans and Democrats. lol

    Even in the U.S. some area being gay is illegal too. Especially if you are Amish and conservative towns.


    So weird to hear that , i thought America is all about freedom


    ROFL - don't buy what you see on TV


    I guess i shouldn't ,,, to be honost of all the countries that i heard of being tolerant never heard of Uruguay as one of them , heard of Spain, Canada, Switzerland ... etc , but not Uruguay , glad to hear that from u
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    May 26, 2015 6:25 AM GMT
    My City...Mesa Arizona, was (or still is) voted or counted as the most conservative city in the USA. I am ok with it. I know most here don't like alternative lifestyles unless it's the missionary position lol, But,no area is perfect. People can be closed minded. I just do my thing and live the best life possible.

    Perhaps, unlike you I can move with retaliative ease. However, I like it here, I guess.

    I wish you the best and good luck!
  • BmwKid92

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    May 26, 2015 7:59 AM GMT
    2 intimidating of a paragraph to read... but good lyck broski, i'd say 2 drive somewhere close and move their, one day you should reallly sit down and do some research about local-ish places
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    May 26, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
    Mohannned said
    paulflexes said
    Mohannned saidWhere shall i go ??!!
    I would say hell, but it sounds like you're already there.
    Maybe paradise? I know the US isn't exactly a haven for homos, but it's way more accepting than where you're at. And our immigration laws would totally accept you as you are, even though they are quite difficult to get through.


    Most Of Americans don't appreciate what they have ,,, to me its paradise ,,, but getting there could be the hardest thing ever
    That's exactly why I tend to gravitate toward people who came here from other countries. They have a much deeper appreciation of the freedoms we enjoy than most natural born citizens here.

    I wish you luck in your journey, wherever it takes you.
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    May 26, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    Very sorry to read your post. I can't imagine living in a country where you could be killed for being who you are.
    Just hang in there. Keep going. I don't think you should come out considering your situation.
    And about your family pressuring you to find a wife, I would say ignore them. You can say whatever you want to them, but I think it's important to remember that your personal life is yours. You have to love it to be happy, and not living according what someone else want.
    Now it would be great if you can move to another country. But you said money is the problem. Maybe you can start from there. Focus on working harder to make more money and save it. Maybe it will take years, but hey it will probably be worth it. So why not keep trying.
    About finding a guy... oh man, a lot of us here are single ourselves and looking for a guy, it's not like we're doing better than you, so maybe there's something that you can take comfort there. Hey as long as you are healthy and have a good paying job where you can support yourself, you're already alright. Be grateful. You're 25, you're young, and you said you're beautiful, good for you. You still have probably 55-60 years till "the end", that's a lot of time, your journey is far from over, so i would say enjoy it and keep going. I'm sure there are people in this world who are in worse condition than we are. Be grateful and count your blessing.
    Oh, about the blocked websites, maybe you can access them using proxy website. Or if you use Mozilla Firefox, just install add-on Anonymox, then the proxy is automatically on and you can visit the websites that your country blocks easily. DOn't forget to use "private browsing" mode for your privacy and safety.
    Hope that helps. Feel free to email if you want to talk.
    Good luck, Mohanned!
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    May 26, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    Visas are hard to get for northern europe and the USA. You should do some serious research on the reasons various countries will grant asylum. Some will grant asylum to gay people where it is life-threatening to be gay in their home country. There is undoubtedly a lot of info on the web on this subject. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and ths USA and Canada are the most likely bets. But know before you go. If you can get a travel visa to anywhere in europe, you can make your way to a friendly country and ask for asylum when you get there.

    The UK is more difficult, since even if the UK would grant asylum, you can't get there from europe without a visa, since it is not a Schengen country.
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    May 26, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    [quote]Most Americans don't like our U.S. government, that is why we are Republicans and Democrats. lol

    Even in the U.S. some area being gay is illegal too. Especially if you are Amish and conservative towns. [/quote]

    These are false generalizations.

    The two parties differ on some policies, but they no one wants to get rid of the U.S., which has to have a government to exist. Even those right-wing nuts on the radio like the government ... they are mouthpieces to make money for themselves, nothing more.

    The freedom to engage in gay sex is now constitutionally protected. But many states and areas go further and protect gay people from various forms of discrimination and criminal activity based on sexual identity, while a few areas have tried to make being gay as hard as possible while not being able to outlaw the actual sex part. So being gay is generally not illegal in the U.S., although outward signs of being gay like holding hands or kissing in public will still get you at least verbally harassed in a lot of places.
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    May 26, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
    That's heart breaking story.

    I wish you luck! To be in a Gay Parade as the "highlight of your life", makes me even prouder.

    In the USA we argue about everything, because we can! It's freedom. We argue about Gay Parades; are they too Gay, hedonistic, is everyone represented, should the Dykes on Bikes go on first again. That we are no longer fighting for our lives (AIDS, overt bigotry, etc.) we fight with ourselves.

    It's a petty luxury. It needs to be put in perspective.

    Hopefully some of the links below work for you. And I hope they are of some assistance.


    http://www.asylumist.com/2011/11/14/gay-saudi-diplomat-denied-asylum/


    http://www.al-bab.com/arab/background/gay.htm


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-sight/wp/2015/03/31/seeking-home-the-lives-of-gay-and-transgender-asylum-seekers-of-the-middle-east/

    http://en.qantara.de/content/lgbt-asylum-seekers-a-silent-revolution
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    May 26, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    If possible, try to get inside any European countries like Spain, Netherlands, German, Sweden. Then you can apply for asylum. It would be easier for you get an asylum based on the story you are telling us. Can't you get a tourist visa to any European country?