Near Half of Americans Say Hillary Is Honest, Trustworthy

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    May 27, 2015 2:47 AM GMT
    NYT: While nearly half of Americans say Mrs. Clinton is honest and trustworthy, more than 80 percent of Democrats say that she has those traits, and that she shares the values most Americans try to live by.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/05/us/politics/americans-views-on-2016-presidential-campaign-and-issues.html
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    May 27, 2015 12:52 PM GMT
    i liked her response to her husband's infidelity:
    Trying times, where even the Clinton family dog hated Bill, the wife, at least publicly, remained focused forward. now the wife is running for president and likely a win.
  • rnch

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    May 27, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
    Inasmuch as "an honest politician" is a relative term in 2015; I believe that she is.
  • ATLANTIS7

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    May 27, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    Because more than half are Stupid!
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    May 27, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
    rnch saidInasmuch as "an honest politician" is a relative term in 2015; I believe that she is.


    Exactly my thought !!
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    May 27, 2015 6:37 PM GMT
    Put differently/more accurately, over half of all Americans "polled" by the NYT say HRC is dishonest and untrustworthy, and does not "share our values," whatever [TF] that means. Count me among those doubters, too.
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    May 27, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    ^ False. Only 45% says otherwise.
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    May 27, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    woodsmen said^ False. Only 45% says otherwise.


    No, that's another misread: only 48% favor her; the remaining 52% either don't or either don't know or didn't answer. That hardly supports the trumpeting headline put on this post, let alone Billary. (Emphasis added to complement subsequent arithmetic.)
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    May 27, 2015 7:59 PM GMT
    ^ False. Only 7% says they don't know.
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    May 27, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
    woodsmen said^ False. Only 7% says they don't know.


    No. I'd better do the math: 52 - 7 = 45. I did read the story, after all.
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    May 27, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
    I think she and Bill are tactical politicians but basically liberal. Bill veered center or even center-right a bit after the first mid-term election went to Newt Gingrich and his stupid Contract with America (boy, talk about typical bullshit by a nasty, hypocritical Republican asshole) and as a result he got some things accomplished. But his instincts were good and in the end, he was extremely successful. Hillary will face the ugliness of the current Repukes but again, she will push in the liberal direction whenever she can. Income and asset inequality will be big for the next decade or so and she is locked into the big-money crowd as she must be to raise the cash needed to win given devolution of campaign finance. But I believe she'll look to make deals to get both issues under some control. She had a truly good reputation among reasonable Republicans in the Senate when she was there as one who could reach across the isle. Whether the Repukes now fouling the Senate and House will actually try to govern to the Nation's interest instead of only their own remains to be seen. Foreign policy is a big question mark. The mess in the middle east caused by the Iraq fiasco won't go away anytime soon. I hope she'll keep us out as much as possible. She's pretty hawkish. But maybe that was positioning for political ends. I don't like that at all if true but somehow I doubt she'd govern that way.
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    May 27, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    >One thing that's lacking in that survey is a break down by conservatives, liberals and non-party affiliated voters. It's the latter who comprise 42% of voters who determine elections, not the 31% who say they are Democrats or the 26% who are Republicans...

    Data on one lone dominant candidate vs fourteen in the other party is misleading and of no relevance. When the fields of candidates is either increased for Democrats or culled for Republicans in debates and the lead up to the primary, the numbers will be more worth looking at.

    The Democratic party's lack of unwillingness to put forth serious challengers to Hillary's self anointment as the party's "winner" of the primary is a dangerous all-the-eggs-in -one-basket and very undemocratic approach that has no appreciable advantages for the party. Any failures beyond this point, or scandals, or mistakes on her part as the single Democratic contender are failures for for the entire party which will be, either compelled to support a candidate who's record will repel even more voters than now or to scramble like a chinese fire drill to replace her out of a field of no one who seems serious about challenging her. Think about the far reaching consquences of that happening after the Democratic party officially names her its candidate.

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    May 27, 2015 8:46 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said>One thing that's lacking in that survey is a break down by conservatives, liberals and non-party affiliated voters. It's the latter who comprise 42% of voters who determine elections, not the 31% who say they are Democrats or the 26% who are Republicans...

    Data on one lone dominant candidate vs fourteen in the other party is misleading and of no relevance. When the fields of candidates is either increased for Democrats or culled for Republicans in debates and the lead up to the primary, the numbers will be more worth looking at. ...

    Not surprising at all, coming from the NYT. Maybe they should "partner" w/ CBS next time.
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    May 27, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    She wouldn't know honesty or integrity if they both bitch slapped her in the face.
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    May 27, 2015 8:59 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShe wouldn't know honesty or integrity if they both bitch slapped her in the face.


    Seriously. She should just join the GOP already.

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    May 27, 2015 9:11 PM GMT
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/24/1387344/-An-image-of-Hillary-Clinton-that-might-surprise-you#

    An image of Hillary Clinton that might surprise you

    appears on p. 158 of the new book by former CIA #2 Michael Morrell, a book titled The Great War of Our Time: The CIA's Against Terrorism From Al Qaeda to ISIS. It is in the context of the planning and decision making leading up to the read on Abbottabad that got Bin Laden. The original raid was planned for the night of April 30, when it would be pitch black in Pakistan. Here is the paragraph in question:

    CITATION:
    But there was a problem with the thirtieth. Someone mentioned that Saturday, April 30, was the night of the annual White House Correspondents' Association dinner - where the president was expected to speak. How would it look, they asked, if the president was at a black-tie dinner joking around with a bunch of reporters in the beautiful Hilton Hotel ballroom in Washington, D.C., while a group of Americans were dying on a failed mission in Pakistan? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shot down that concern with a well-placed response. "Fuck the White House Correspondents' dinner," she said. "Heaven help us if we ever make an important operational decision like this based on some political event."
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    May 27, 2015 9:12 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidShe wouldn't know honesty or integrity if they both bitch slapped her in the face.


    Seriously. She should just join the GOP already.

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    Brilliant response! icon_lol.gif
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    May 27, 2015 9:13 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidI think she and Bill are tactical politicians but basically liberal. Bill veered center or even center-right a bit after the first mid-term election went to Newt Gingrich and his stupid Contract with America (boy, talk about typical bullshit by a nasty, hypocritical Republican asshole) and as a result he got some things accomplished. But his instincts were good and in the end, he was extremely successful. Hillary will face the ugliness of the current Repukes but again, she will push in the liberal direction whenever she can. Income and asset inequality will be big for the next decade or so and she is locked into the big-money crowd as she must be to raise the cash needed to win given devolution of campaign finance. But I believe she'll look to make deals to get both issues under some control. She had a truly good reputation among reasonable Republicans in the Senate when she was there as one who could reach across the isle. Whether the Repukes now fouling the Senate and House will actually try to govern to the Nation's interest instead of only their own remains to be seen. Foreign policy is a big question mark. The mess in the middle east caused by the Iraq fiasco won't go away anytime soon. I hope she'll keep us out as much as possible. She's pretty hawkish. But maybe that was positioning for political ends. I don't like that at all if true but somehow I doubt she'd govern that way.


    "Repukes"

    What exactly is a repuke? Is it the same thing as a Democrap?
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    May 27, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShe wouldn't know honesty or integrity if they both bitch slapped her in the face.


    And as soon as she is left with no other options than living in a rabbit hole full of sycophants and psychofants it's a sure thing honesty and integrity are going to be stalking her crooked, lying butt 24/7. It's inevitable.

    She's already got a big fat butt load of 'splaining to for the 'splaining she's already tried to bullshit her way out of trouble with... using one device for "her convenience".. knowing about violence being planned in Benghazi over a month bfore it happened and there's no record thus far of her passing that info on to the consulate there... why and how nearly everyone who had business pending with the State Department is on the lists of people who paid or Bill exorbitant speaking fees or the list of donors of $1,000,000 and over to their charity fund that only spent 90% of the funds it took in on things besides charity... how she souhgt to appoint her long time devoted sycophant, Sidney Blumenthal to a State Department position that the white House killed then was given a job with no known duties at the Clinton family money laundering scam, AND his own consulting firm trying to get contracts in Libya AND providing "intelligence" on Libya, much of which was wrong and acted on by the State Department after she read it and passed it on... the destroyed email server and emails...

    Yeah... Honesty and Integrity are waiting for their chances to bitch slap Hillary from 10 directions at once.
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    May 27, 2015 9:51 PM GMT
    rnch saidInasmuch as "an honest politician" is a relative term in 2015; I believe that she is.

    Yes, agreed.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 27, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShe wouldn't know honesty or integrity if they both bitch slapped her in the face.
    +200,000
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    May 27, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
    Do you not know math? You have to look at the shares. You are pulling information from the 45% share that said Hillary is not honest. The majority of share of 48% says she is honest.

    For example, all adults of 48% says she is honest.
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    May 28, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    I think someone wishes he were Bill
  • wellwell

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    May 28, 2015 2:49 AM GMT
    HILLARY??

    Oh, Ya, that's that dick, in a dress.
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    May 28, 2015 3:39 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: While nearly half of Americans say Mrs. Clinton is honest and trustworthy, more than 80 percent of Democrats say that she has those traits, and that she shares the values most Americans try to live by.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/05/us/politics/americans-views-on-2016-presidential-campaign-and-issues.html


    Go figure. The list of untrustworthy behavior is long and documented.