PLEASE MASTER ! Teacher Suspended for Reading Racy Allen Ginsberg Poem

  • secondstartot...

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    May 31, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    a teacher just got fired for reading this poem to his class

    the news report :

    http://www.advocate.com/education/2015/03/11/teacher-suspended-reading-racy-allen-ginsberg-poem

    the poem :

    Please Master
    Please master can I touch your cheeck
    please master can I kneel at your feet
    please master can I loosen your blue pants
    please master can I gaze at your golden haired belly
    please master can I have your thighs bare to my eyes
    please master can I take off my clothes below your chair
    please master can I can I kiss your ankles and soul
    please master can I touch lips to your hard muscle hairless thigh
    please master can I lay my ear pressed to your stomach
    please master can I wrap my arms around your white ass
    please master can I lick your groin gurled with blond soft fur
    please master can I touch my tongue to your rosy asshole
    please master may I pass my face to your balls,
    please master order me down on the floor,
    please master tell me to lick your thick shaft
    please master put your rough hands on my bald hairy skull
    please master press my mouth to your prick-heart
    please master press my face into your belly, pull me slowly strong thumbed
    till your dumb hardness fills my throat to the base
    till I swallow and taste your delicate flesh-hot prick barrel veined Please
    Mater push my shoulders away and stare in my eyes, & make me bend over
    the table
    please master grab my thighs and lift my ass to your waist
    please master your hand's rough stroke on my neck your palm down to my
    backside
    please master push me, my feet on chairs, till my hole feels the breath of
    your spit and your thumb stroke
    please master make my say Please Master Fuck me now Please
    Master grease my balls and hairmouth with sweet vaselines
    please master stroke your shaft with white creams
    please master touch your cock head to my wrinkled self-hole
    please master push it in gently, your elbows enwrapped round my breast
    your arms passing down to my belly, my penis you touch w/ your fingers
    please master shove it in me a little, a little, a little,
    please master sink your droor thing down my behind
    & please master make me wiggle my rear to eat up the prick trunk
    till my asshalfs cuddle your thighs, my back bent over,
    till I'm alone sticking out, your sword stuck throbbing in me
    please master pull out and slowly roll onto the bottom
    please master lunge it again, and withdraw the tip
    please please master fuck me again with your self, please fuck me Please
    Master drive down till it hurts me the softness the
    Softness please master make love to my ass, give body to center, & fuck me
    for good like a girl,
    tenderly clasp me please master I take me to thee,
    & drive in my belly your selfsame sweet heat-rood
    you fingered in solitude Denver or Brooklyn or fucked in a maiden in Paris
    carlots
    please master drive me thy vehicle, body of love drops, sweat fuck
    body of tenderness, Give me your dogh fuck faster
    please master make me go moan on the table
    Go moan O please master do fuck me like that
    in your rhythm thrill-plunge & pull-back-bounce & push down
    till I loosen my asshole a dog on the table yelping with terror delight to be loved
    Please master call me a dog, an ass beast, a wet asshole,
    & fuck me more violent, my eyes hid with your palms round my skull
    & plunge down in a brutal hard lash thru soft drip-fish
    & throb thru five seconds to spurt out your semen heat
    over & over, bamming it in while I cry out your name I do love you
    please Master.

    May 1968

    Alan reading his poem :



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  • secondstartot...

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    May 31, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    what do you think ?? this teacher got fired for reading Alan Ginsberg's poem - Please Master to a HIGHSCHOOL class... there are people on facebook arguing with me that its ok and I am being narrow minded ...???? please chime in ... am I wrong ?
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    May 31, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
    Not sure how I feel. I could probably effectively argue that either way. By my own personal sense of aesthetics--I think ass is gross, so I am aware of my own bias--I tend to think it's porn even if it is poetry. If it was cinematic, would it not be porn? And knowing the provenance that it belongs to whomever is of no matter.

    Were this a college class it would be not an issue. I don't know enough about the education system and their rules to judge whether it might be appropriate for a college level but high school taught class. And even then, would it have been less appropriate in an English class though by being a poem, but possibly more appropriate to a psychology class by the poem's content?

    Even if it did break the rule, I don't know how I feel about the guy being fired, particularly with how high of regard he was reportedly held. It does seem the school board was attempting to expedite resolve to what it feared could turn into a, um, sticky wicket.
  • Import

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    May 31, 2015 10:11 PM GMT
    This is very sexually explicit for a high school english class.
    College class? no problm, but for high school... duh icon_rolleyes.gif this will not fly, especially with parents.
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    May 31, 2015 10:28 PM GMT
    That's not an appropriate poem for a high school class.
  • christastic

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    Jun 01, 2015 2:01 AM GMT
    Even if it's a college class... like for what purpose?? Other than confirming every parent's worst fear about pervs getting into the education system trying to indoctrinate the young.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jun 01, 2015 2:13 AM GMT
    secondstartotheright saidwhat do you think ?? this teacher got fired for reading Alan Ginsberg's poem - Please Master to a HIGHSCHOOL class... there are people on facebook arguing with me that its ok and I am being narrow minded ...???? please chime in ... am I wrong ?


    The only thing you're wrong about is saying the teacher was fired. The article says suspended, not fired.

    The fact that he's only suspended tells you it was a public school. A private school teacher would have been taken out by police.

    He will be and should be fired. You can bet teachers unions will drag out a firing for a year and keep him on school payroll the whole time.

    The simplest and most expedient way to get rid of that teacher would be for parents to file criminal charges against him for obscenity, or anything else. The hope a judge would give no bail until there was a determination if what he did could be considered a sex offense.

    Let's put it this way, as a father of two big grown men who have a total of six kids with the youngest three in high school - I'd have raced my sons to the school to beat the crap out of that teacher for reading that shit in any of their kids classes.

    There's nothing narrow minded about knowing shit when you smell, read or see it and being offended by it.
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    Jun 01, 2015 2:16 AM GMT
    As long as it doesn't put the lotion on its skin and gladly takes the hose again, all will be just fine.
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    Jun 01, 2015 2:30 AM GMT
    LOL what? Under which excuse that psycho teacher read that on a class full of teenagers? icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 02, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    "Dear gawd! Where's my smellin' salts! I've got the vapors," he exclaimed as ribbons of cum rained down on his hairy stomach and he pulled his fingers out his asshole.

    Thanks OP. I never appreciated poetry until now.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 02, 2015 5:54 AM GMT
    Teacher's a perv for reading this to high school students ... He was obviously trying to get them horned up. An exert perhaps might have related to some teachable moment ... But reading the whole thing to a class kids is just creepy and borders on abuse and pedaphilia
  • metta

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    Jun 02, 2015 6:26 AM GMT
    Teacher who read homoerotic Ginsberg poem in class resigns

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/connecticut-ginsberg-teacher/


    I remember my friend that is head of HR for a school district told me that it is better to encourage a teacher to quit than to go through the process of firing someone. She usually offers the first option for the teacher. They can then have a better chance of getting another job and the process is much easier for HR. I'm not saying this is what happened in this case. But it is a possibility. We were not talking about situations like this. We were talking about teachers having inappropriate relationship with a student(s)
  • monet

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    Jun 02, 2015 8:10 AM GMT
    I have an 18-year-old daughter who is just finishing up her senior year of high school. If her AP English teacher had read this to the class I would be highly displeased and would probably be calling for the teacher's dismissal.

    However, if her college English professor read this to her class next year I wouldn't have a problem with it. Even though high school AP classes are considered the equivalent of college courses (so her teachers tell me) there are still things that are inappropriate to address in a high school classroom.
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    Jun 02, 2015 11:32 AM GMT
    metta8 saidTeacher who read homoerotic Ginsberg poem in class resigns

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/connecticut-ginsberg-teacher/


    I remember my friend that is head of HR for a school district told me that it is better to encourage a teacher to quite than to go through the process of firing someone. She usually offers the first option for the teacher. They can then have a better chance of getting another job and the process is much easier for HR. I'm not saying this is what happened in this case. But it is a possibility. We were not talking about situations like this. We were talking about teachers having inappropriate relationship with a student(s)


    So they have a better chance of getting another job after having an inappropriate relationship with a student?!

    How irresponsible is that?!
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    Jun 02, 2015 12:03 PM GMT
    yeah that's a good thing they fired that paedo.

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    perv.
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    Jun 02, 2015 12:08 PM GMT
    monet saidI have an 18-year-old daughter who is just finishing up her senior year of high school. If her AP English teacher had read this to the class I would be highly displeased and would probably be calling for the teacher's dismissal.

    However, if her college English professor read this to her class next year I wouldn't have a problem with it.



    what if somebody read it to her the day after HS graduation, would that be okay?

    how very confusing your reasoning is.
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    Jun 02, 2015 3:03 PM GMT
    Even if this is porn--I think it is--wouldn't there be a difference between reading it to a 9th grader first entering high school or a 12th grader in an advanced college level class? So I think in that regard there's some relativity people aren't taking into account. Not even concerning its reading, but in regard to the firing or forcing to resign.

    Aside from that, some comments here seem a bit presumptuous. It is not as if the guy planned this. He didn't, according to reports.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/28/award-winning-teacher-fired-for-reading-an-allen-ginsberg-poem.html
    It was the kind of moment teachers covet. An Advanced Placement English class focusing on poetry, and a student brings in a poem that caught his eye, hoping to discuss in the waning moments of the period how the poet uses language in his work.

    The teacher, David Olio, a 19-year veteran of the South Windsor School District and winner of Connecticut’s highest award for teaching excellence, didn’t know the poem in question, but he took a look and walked the students through it in the remaining time.

    The poem the student discovered and brought in was “Please Master,” an extremely graphic account of a homosexual encounter published by Allen Ginsberg in 1968 that begins: “Please master can I touch your cheek / please master can I kneel at your feet / please master can I loosen your blue pants.”

    Clearly, “I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud” this wasn’t. But the students were 17- and 18-year-olds, some of whom were taking the AP course in conjunction with the University of Connecticut and receiving college credit.


    So given that, if true, there could be mitigating circumstance here. If he didn't know the poem, he might have started reading it innocently enough. He could have stopped on the first mention of ass, but he didn't. And who knows what was going through his mind at the time. I think charges of perversion are outrageous. I'd imagine he was probably rushing through it, thinking it was a poem, thinking it was Ginsberg, thinking he's got an advanced, intellectually more mature class, for whatever reason he didn't stop reading what he hadn't known he'd be reading.

    Blaming him for starting reading would be like blaming myself for seeing some of the crap some of you people post, though I've become quite practiced at averting my eyes. His fault was in not stopping once he must have realized what he'd gotten himself into. So I question if that justifies his dismissal.

    In school, pencils have erasers.
  • metta

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    Jun 02, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidTeacher who read homoerotic Ginsberg poem in class resigns

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/us/connecticut-ginsberg-teacher/


    I remember my friend that is head of HR for a school district told me that it is better to encourage a teacher to quite than to go through the process of firing someone. She usually offers the first option for the teacher. They can then have a better chance of getting another job and the process is much easier for HR. I'm not saying this is what happened in this case. But it is a possibility. We were not talking about situations like this. We were talking about teachers having inappropriate relationship with a student(s)


    So they have a better chance of getting another job after having an inappropriate relationship with a student?!

    How irresponsible is that?!


    Well to be honest, my friend realizes that any school district is going to call her for a recommendation and she knows how to word it so that they understand what they are getting themselves into without saying anything disparaging about the teacher. They have to walk a very fine line in doing what is legal. The process of firing someone is lengthy, time consuming and expensive. So they try to avoid that if they can. But of course, if they need to do it...they do. She is very good at what she does.

    What is surprising is how often inappropriate relationships happen between a teacher and student.
  • monet

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    Jun 02, 2015 3:42 PM GMT
    patito said
    monet saidI have an 18-year-old daughter who is just finishing up her senior year of high school. If her AP English teacher had read this to the class I would be highly displeased and would probably be calling for the teacher's dismissal.

    However, if her college English professor read this to her class next year I wouldn't have a problem with it.



    what if somebody read it to her the day after HS graduation, would that be okay?

    how very confusing your reasoning is.


    You quoted what I wrote but you conveniently edited out the last line of my statement.

    My point is that there are things that are appropriate in a college classroom that are not appropriate in a high school classroom even if those classrooms, like in my daughter's case, are separated by only a few months.

    There is an assumption that students in college are adults and that students in high school are children and that they need to be protected as such.

  • Whipmagic

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    Jun 02, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    monet said
    patito said
    monet saidI have an 18-year-old daughter who is just finishing up her senior year of high school. If her AP English teacher had read this to the class I would be highly displeased and would probably be calling for the teacher's dismissal.

    However, if her college English professor read this to her class next year I wouldn't have a problem with it.



    what if somebody read it to her the day after HS graduation, would that be okay?

    how very confusing your reasoning is.


    You quoted what I wrote but you conveniently edited out the last line of my statement.

    My point is that there are things that are appropriate in a college classroom that are not appropriate in a high school classroom even if those classrooms, like in my daughter's case, are separated by only a few months.

    There is an assumption that students in college are adults and that students in high school are children and that they need to be protected as such.



    +1. The issue is not so much the maturity of the student, but the different expectations in College and High School.
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    Jun 02, 2015 6:34 PM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    monet said
    patito said
    monet saidI have an 18-year-old daughter who is just finishing up her senior year of high school. If her AP English teacher had read this to the class I would be highly displeased and would probably be calling for the teacher's dismissal.

    However, if her college English professor read this to her class next year I wouldn't have a problem with it.



    what if somebody read it to her the day after HS graduation, would that be okay?

    how very confusing your reasoning is.


    You quoted what I wrote but you conveniently edited out the last line of my statement.

    My point is that there are things that are appropriate in a college classroom that are not appropriate in a high school classroom even if those classrooms, like in my daughter's case, are separated by only a few months.

    There is an assumption that students in college are adults and that students in high school are children and that they need to be protected as such.



    +1. The issue is not so much the maturity of the student, but the different expectations in College and High School.


    The fact of the matter it's pornography with no literary value whatsoever. It shouldn't be "taught" anywhere unless it's a course on writing erotica.
  • Whipmagic

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    Jun 02, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Whipmagic said
    monet said
    patito said
    monet saidI have an 18-year-old daughter who is just finishing up her senior year of high school. If her AP English teacher had read this to the class I would be highly displeased and would probably be calling for the teacher's dismissal.

    However, if her college English professor read this to her class next year I wouldn't have a problem with it.



    what if somebody read it to her the day after HS graduation, would that be okay?

    how very confusing your reasoning is.


    You quoted what I wrote but you conveniently edited out the last line of my statement.

    My point is that there are things that are appropriate in a college classroom that are not appropriate in a high school classroom even if those classrooms, like in my daughter's case, are separated by only a few months.

    There is an assumption that students in college are adults and that students in high school are children and that they need to be protected as such.



    +1. The issue is not so much the maturity of the student, but the different expectations in College and High School.


    The fact of the matter it's pornography with no literary value whatsoever. It shouldn't be "taught" anywhere unless it's a course on writing erotica.


    Who are you to judge literary value? In the history of literature, such efforts by individuals (and courts) have generally failed miserably. Also, where do you draw the line between pornography and "legitimate" literature? Which side does Ann Rice's Beauty Trilogy for instance fall on? Or, can I use my literary judgment and declare Ayn Rand's writings "Econonomic Pornography" (after all, they give you quick satisfaction, but no lasting solutions) and demand that they be stricken as worthless from any college curriculum?
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    Jun 02, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
    I do not condone governmental censorship but I have a right to judge for myself and voice my opinion. That's all I gave. In retrospect I shouldn't have used the word "fact," but it is none the less trash in comparison to Shakespeare, for example.

    As far as Anne Rice is concerned I haven't read any of her works other than a piece of erotica she wrote under a pseudonym. It too wasn't great literature that will stand the test of time.

    I'm sure many people haven't read or aware of Mr. Ginsburg's "masterpiece." I know I wasn't. Good literature stands the test of time.

    And neither you not I can demand anything be stricken from any college curriculum. We can only choose not to take the course. High school students do not have that luxury.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 03, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
    @ThatUpThere "The simplest and most expedient way to get rid of that teacher would be for parents to file criminal charges against him for obscenity, or anything else. The hope a judge would give no bail until there was a determination if what he did could be considered a sex offense.

    Let's put it this way, as a father of two big grown men who have a total of six kids with the youngest three in high school - I'd have raced my sons to the school to beat the crap out of that teacher for reading that shit in any of their kids classes.

    There's nothing narrow minded about knowing shit when you smell, read or see it and being offended by it."

    That's right. Not only was this Ginsberg a seedy little homo writing "shit", he was a seedy little Jewish homo writing "shit". He does, however, strikingly resemble one of our most brilliant, Pulitzer-Prize-Finalist, National-Book-Award-Winning, Robert-Frost-Medal poets, whose half-century battle for countercultural freedom of speech, non-conformity, anti-materialism, anti-militarization, pro-peace and pro non-violence "ravings" ought to be checked, too, as god knows all of that is an awful threat to our precious "children".

    And as far as obscenity goes...we've been there, and with Ginsberg: When his "Howl" was hauled up before a judge nearly SIXTY years ago, (you know, the "Howl" in which he celebrated homosex.... which was then a criminal offense in every single state in the union.. a state of affairs his work in this "obscenity" case began to turn the tide against...and which all of you reading this now enjoy without going to jail) the judge, in ruling the poem "not obscene", wrote:

    "Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

    The poem cited isn't "about gay sex"; it's "about" poetry not using "vapid innocuous euphemisms" to talk about yearning. And man, did he make THAT point....brilliantly -

    As we can see from the claptrap of Connecticut parents - and apparently some here -, whose concerns would be better spent in shielding their 7- and 8-year-olds from being blown to smithereens in their classrooms than shielding their 17- and 18-year-olds from "highly offensive" (and ineffably non-violent).....POETRY. The hypocrisy, as usual, is
    truly emetic.

  • Zigs_01

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    Jun 03, 2015 7:11 AM GMT
    So what's this poem suppose to mean?