Far from facing the truth, the US is telling new lies about Iraq

  • metta

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    Jun 01, 2015 5:14 AM GMT
    Far from facing the truth, the US is telling new lies about Iraq

    "The falsehood peddled by most of Jeb’s critics amounts to this: “I wouldn’t support it now because now we know the intelligence was faulty. But there’s no way we could have known that then.” Or as New York Times columnist David Brooks, one of the most eminent stenographers for American state power, put it: “To erase mistakes from the past is to obliterate your world now. You can’t go back and know then what you know now.”

    The trouble with this is that we did know then. The world knew, which is why majorities in almost every other country opposed it. The United Nations was trying to acquire proof one way or another but was not allowed to finish the job. Politicians were not, in fact, led to war by faulty intelligence; they deliberately commissioned the intelligence that would enable them to go to war."

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/25/iraq-invasion-america-war-jeb-bush-us-election
  • bobbobbob

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    Jun 01, 2015 5:46 AM GMT
    Holy fuck... You really are hilarious....

    This is a great example of .....

    metta8 said Scientists Find That Conspiracy Theorists Will Pretty Much Believe Anything You Tell Them



    http://www.iflscience.com/environment/no-st-study-scientists-find-conspiracy-theorists-will-anything-other-conspiracy


    And I replied to this meta post above:
    bobbobbob saidAfter thinking about this a few days I realized this video isn't about only conspiracy theorist. It's about everyone and anyone with a predetermined belief in anything that's not based in critical thinking and reason/logic.

    Without a foundation in critical thinking and reason/logic to determine "belief" what you end up with is "belief" seeking affirmation where ever it can find it.

    Like fundamentalists of all religions... or anyone who accepts any particular dogma without first subjecting it to the scrutiny of critical thinking and analysis. They base their "belief" in any particular thing on feelings and are therefore prone to accept information that affirms what they believe.

    Amongst many other things, that would explain why so many people support Hillary Clinton but cannot name one thing the woman has accomplished as First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the US, Senator or Secretary of State. Since she has no known accomplishments they are compelled to deem the entire concept of accomplishments or lack of them as irrelevant as they related to Hillary in order to maintain their belief in her. No different than what fundamentalists do.

    HOWEVER... as hilariously hypocritical as it is, they are the same people who will recite litanies of lacks of accomplishments (real or imagined) of other candidates in order to rationalize supporting Hillary over them!



    NOW HERE'S META DOING THE SAME THING WITH WMDs

    This is just another lame attempt to keep the WMD false narrative of the left alive even though it's been disproven time and time again.

    It's one more example of someone cherry picking for things that affirm his beliefs which are not based in reason or critical thinking - much less facts and presents it as evidence. Circular thinking: "what I believe must be right because right here this article it says what I believe must be right because right here this article it says what I believe must be right because right here this article it says what I believe must be right because right here this article it says....."
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    Jun 01, 2015 6:59 AM GMT
    metta8 saidFar from facing the truth, the US is telling new lies about Iraq

    "The falsehood peddled by most of Jeb’s critics amounts to this: “I wouldn’t support it now because now we know the intelligence was faulty. But there’s no way we could have known that then.” Or as New York Times columnist David Brooks, one of the most eminent stenographers for American state power, put it: “To erase mistakes from the past is to obliterate your world now. You can’t go back and know then what you know now.”

    The trouble with this is that we did know then. The world knew, which is why majorities in almost every other country opposed it. The United Nations was trying to acquire proof one way or another but was not allowed to finish the job. Politicians were not, in fact, led to war by faulty intelligence; they deliberately commissioned the intelligence that would enable them to go to war."

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/25/iraq-invasion-america-war-jeb-bush-us-election



    "The trouble with this is that we did know then."



  • tj85016

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    Jun 01, 2015 7:06 AM GMT
    we've been fed lies about Iraq (and Afganistan) for 25 years
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    Jun 01, 2015 10:49 AM GMT
    The Right likes to pedal the idea that opposition to the Iraq war came about with the benefit of hindsight. The reality is that over half the Dems in Congress voted against it (while almost every Republican voted for it).

    The anti-Iraq war demonstration was the biggest ever (before or since) in the UK , with around one million people taking to the streets.

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    And it wasn't just here:

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    Many lives later and at an estimated eventual cost of $6,000,000,000,000, Bush's family folly war has left Iraq in a bigger mess than ever.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jun 01, 2015 11:11 AM GMT
    Posting pics of crowds in an attempt to prove you and they know what the fuck you're talking about is another form of irrational circular logic.

    ""I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right because all these people believe I am right.""

    It doesn't matter how many people get together and try to make something true just because the believe it, they never accomplish it.

    Here's proof....

    Here are a few thousand people marching/protesting over a bunch of lies about a racist cop shooting a kind gentle sweet guy named Michael Brown.

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    Jun 01, 2015 11:18 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidPosting pics of crowds in an attempt to prove you and they know what the fuck you're talking about is another form of irrational circular logic.


    They are not 'pics of crowds', they are pics of protests against going to war with Iraq, before the Iraq War happened. They were not just a few thousand people either. Opposition to the Iraq War was huge. I know it does not suit your right-wing agenda Bob, but it is a fact (you know, like those 'facts' you are always demanding, but which you choose not to see when it suits you).

    Having been to Iraq and seen what a cluster fuck the War made of the place, I also speak from personal experience.