Big business, homosexual rights and the GOP

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    Jun 03, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/gop-gay-rights-big-business-118515.html
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    Jun 03, 2015 4:29 PM GMT
    "But of course I was often the black sheep in campaign meetings during the 1990s and 2000s. There goes McKinnon again. Taking up for the gays."

    "The GOP position is untenable — and out of step with one of its key constituencies. It’s time to stand up to the social conservative wing and move into the future."

    This is why we need respected people INSIDE the Republican party to push change and tolerance, if not total embrace.
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    Jun 03, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    Holy crap.

    You must have been reading my mind or at this morning's Rotary Club breakfast - hiding in the back.

    A restaurant owner who used to close down Memorial Days when all the thousands of gays come to town spoke about his transformation from a gay hater to who he is now. Now he's one of the most gay friendly places in town.

    That was how he started off... then he gave a dressing down to the Republican party (which he's a member of and long time former county commissioner) for turning their backs to the principles of individual freedom that gays have had to fight for.

    He went further than Mark McKinnon did in his article. He said the victory for gays isn't ever going to be achieved through laws but by the fact we've influenced businesses and when businesses start talking, governments not only listen, they jump... after they ask how high.

    That was what happened to change things here in the mid 1980s. But that's another story.

    I'm going to print out McKinnon's article and go eat at his place one night this week and give it to him.

    GREAT THREAD FIF!



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    Jun 03, 2015 7:48 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidHoly crap.

    You must have been reading my mind or at this morning's Rotary Club breakfast - hiding in the back.

    A restaurant owner who used to close down Memorial Days when all the thousands of gays come to town spoke about his transformation from a gay hater to who he is now. Now he's one of the most gay friendly places in town.

    That was how he started off... then he gave a dressing down to the Republican party (which he's a member of and long time former county commissioner) for turning their backs to the principles of individual freedom that gays have had to fight for.

    He went further than Mark McKinnon did in his article. He said the victory for gays isn't ever going to be achieved through laws but by the fact we've influenced businesses and when businesses start talking, governments not only listen, they jump... after they ask how high.

    That was what happened to change things here in the mid 1980s. But that's another story.

    I'm going to print out McKinnon's article and go eat at his place one night this week and give it to him.

    GREAT THREAD FIF!





    Mark was the black sheep in the 90s and later and I was the black sheep in the 70s and 80s.

    And to think I was fired during initial training working for a big European tire company for coming out and did as a newly hired employee. You can pretty well guess who it is, Things can change if you can get on the inside and work for change as I've been saying for years around here.

    Edit: this was back in the mid 70s. Didn't want to disparage them for something they no longer do.
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    Jun 03, 2015 8:33 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Mark was the black sheep in the 90s and later and I was the black sheep in the 70s and 80s.

    And to think I was fired during initial training working for a big European tire company for coming out and did as a newly hired employee. You can pretty well guess who it is, Things can change if you can get on the inside and work for change as I've been saying for years around here.

    Edit: this was back in the mid 70s. Didn't want to disparage them for something they no longer do.


    After I commented I looked McKinnon up on Wiki. Interesting guy!

    I can defintely relate to getting fired for being gay. In the Orange Juice War Steve was fired from two jobs the same day after he was professionally outed. He went from doing morning radio and local TV news reporting to bartending. I lasted almost a year more in my first job out of college running a plant tissue culture lab for a big nursery there. I went to driving taxi because I was blacklisted. He and I decided we would NEVER AGAIN work for anyone and we never did after we moved from South Florida. The rest is history... and we've seen it happen, haven't we?

    And you know.... I'm really glad to have gone through all I went through and witnessed.
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    Jun 03, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    Mark was the black sheep in the 90s and later and I was the black sheep in the 70s and 80s.

    And to think I was fired during initial training working for a big European tire company for coming out and did as a newly hired employee. You can pretty well guess who it is, Things can change if you can get on the inside and work for change as I've been saying for years around here.

    Edit: this was back in the mid 70s. Didn't want to disparage them for something they no longer do.


    After I commented I looked McKinnon up on Wiki. Interesting guy!

    I can defintely relate to getting fired for being gay. In the Orange Juice War Steve was fired from two jobs the same day after he was professionally outed. He went from doing morning radio and local TV news reporting to bartending. I lasted almost a year more in my first job out of college running a plant tissue culture lab for a big nursery there. I went to driving taxi because I was blacklisted. He and I decided we would NEVER AGAIN work for anyone and we never did after we moved from South Florida. The rest is history... and we've seen it happen, haven't we?

    And you know.... I'm really glad to have gone through all I went through and witnessed.


    I didn't come out until I was through the five or six interview process, which lasted a couple of months. Then when shipped off to Lake Success NY for initial training and were housed in sort of a dorm environment for the new hires, then I came out. This company for new hires was almost like the military so I thought to maximizes the discomfort and impact for everyone else and make them just deal with it, that was the place to come out.

    I only last for a few days after that before I got the "we don't think you're gonna fit into to the culture here at ******** Tire" and was sent homo.