Placebo Jesus and the Historical Jesus - Can the Historical Jesus Be Made into a a Placebo Jesus?

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    Jun 05, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
    What do you think?

    The only problem with the Placebo Jesus is that he is not in Heaven.

    Placebo Jesuses are Thought Forms.
    Historical Jesuses, the people components, have spirits. There is a place where spirits go after death or between incarnations. (The same cannot be said about thought forms. Thought forms and human spirits are two separate entities. One could say thoughts forms are created by human individuals and groups but human spirits are created on a different order.)

    The Placebo Jesus is a subjectively perfected idealization about which people can have tremendous convictions. These people experience hope and healing.

    The Historical Composite Jesus is not idealized.
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    Jun 07, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidWhat do you think?

    The only problem with the Placebo Jesus is that he is not in Heaven.

    Placebo Jesuses are Thought Forms.
    Historical Jesuses, the people components, have spirits. There is a place where spirits go after death or between incarnations. (The same cannot be said about thought forms. Thought forms and human spirits are two separate entities. One could say thoughts forms are created by human individuals and groups but human spirits are created on a different order.)

    The Placebo Jesus is a subjectively perfected idealization about which people can have tremendous convictions. These people experience hope and healing.

    The Historical Composite Jesus is not idealized.


    One may argue, without idealization, religion cannot cause people to aspire. Ideals are greater than us. Ideals and worship are a good pairing.

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    Have a sound grounding in accurate history. One cannot establish a line from Point A to Point B when Point A is not secure. A secure Point A may not go to a Point B to which one aspires.

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    Jun 07, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    The Historical Composite Jesus is not idealized.

    One may argue, without idealization, religion cannot cause people to aspire. Ideals are greater than us. Ideals and worship are a good pairing.

    Stephenoabc
    Have a sound grounding in accurate history. One cannot establish a line from Point A to Point B when Point A is not secure. A secure Point A may not go to a Point B to which one aspires.

    You have not addressed something important.

    Stephenoabc

    The Biblical Jesus is idealized to have died for us. Well, if he has not done anything for us, why worship him?

    For the church to adopt a historically accurate composite Jesus, those who go to church to be inspired to aspire will fall away.

    We would have institutions that are conservatories of pious people. Socrates would be equal to Jesus.

    Is this how it ends, Steefen?

    All the pious men and women of the Catholic and Protestant churches cannot be counted given the falsehoods in their object of devotion, the biblical Jesus.

    / / Salvation never ends: Christianity never ends.

    CATEGORICALLY! [Laughter] Categorically, it does not.
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    Jun 07, 2015 1:51 AM GMT
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    The Historical Composite Jesus is not idealized.

    Character One
    One may argue, without idealization, religion cannot cause people to aspire. Ideals are greater than us. Ideals and worship are a good pairing.

    Steefen
    Have a sound grounding in accurate history. One cannot establish a line from Point A to Point B when Point A is not secure. A secure Point A may not go to a Point B to which one aspires.

    Character One
    You have not addressed something important.

    Steefen
    The Biblical Jesus is idealized to have died for us. Well, if he has not done anything for us, why worship him?

    Character One
    For the church to adopt a historically accurate composite Jesus, those who go to church to be inspired to aspire will fall away.

    Steefen
    We would have institutions that are conservatories of pious people. Socrates would be equal to Jesus.

    Character One
    Is this how it ends, Steefen?

    Steefen
    All the pious men and women of the Catholic and Protestant churches cannot be counted given the falsehoods in their object of devotion, the biblical Jesus.

    / / Salvation never ends: Christianity never ends.

    Character One
    CATEGORICALLY! [Laughter] Categorically, it does not.
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    Jun 07, 2015 1:59 AM GMT
    Steefen

    The only problem with the Placebo Jesus is that he is not in Heaven.

    Well, no, that is not the only problem.

    The Placebo Jesus did not do things on Earth that are attributed to him.

    Character One

    To what are you referring?

    Steefen

    I personally prefer the Placebo Jesus who rescues the woman caught in adultery. That Jesus makes me feel good.

    Character One

    Because of your own sexuality.

    (Steefen looks at Character One.)

    You love Jesus because he would keep society from stoning YOU!

    Steefen
    (After eyes have been moistened by the heart, he cheers himself up.)

    Well, I'm not a whore.
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    Jun 08, 2015 4:46 AM GMT
    Rephrase: Can the historically accurate Jesus / Composite Jesus be made into the pill that is being taken? With it being historically accurate, it would no longer be a Placebo, but we would still need the person to have the same level of conviction creating hope and healing that was brought to the Placebo Jesus (own, personal Jesus).