It is probably safer to not wear headphones in public. If a policeman talks to you, automatically slowly put your hands in the air

  • metta

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    Jun 07, 2015 6:31 AM GMT
    I guess this means it is not safe to wear headphones in public. If you see the police, automatically slowly put your hands in the air.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/03/1390285/-Shocking-new-video-shows-unarmed-Utah-man-was-listening-to-headphones-when-killed-by-police
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    Jun 09, 2015 3:13 AM GMT
    WOW! just WOW! Where is the outrage?? This poor kid was murdered by an incompetent coward, and that's ok?!? Hopefully, this is not the end of the story...
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    Jun 09, 2015 3:45 AM GMT
    Shocking icon_eek.gif the kid was doing nothing wrong...what was the justification of shooting him?, and following him there was nothing suspicious of his actions or probable cause...this is insane, crazy...I hope it get to a higher authority and the cop gets charged with 1st degree murder.
  • metta

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    Jun 09, 2015 5:20 AM GMT
    I think the cop freaked out when the kid tried to pull up his pants.
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    Jun 09, 2015 5:32 AM GMT
    I never thought it safe to wear headphones in public. You should always be aware of your surroundings. I'm not justifying the cop's action in any way, shape or form but how loud was the music that he didn't hear the cop yelling at him?
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 09, 2015 5:45 AM GMT
    No one is safe from ignorant people that are allow to carry guns ... including those with a badge.
  • musclmed

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    Jun 09, 2015 2:17 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI think the cop freaked out when the kid tried to pull up his pants.


    I think the shooting was illegal. Considering he could have taken cover and continue to shout commands.

    In addition I do not understand handcuffing a suspect who has a gunshot wound to the chest and abdomen.

    However the victim had a felony arrest warrant out for him. And the victim had a blood alcohol level of 0.18

    Even if in some technical way it was not an illegal shooting why arent other remedies possible?

    Why would anyone want that Police officer to hold a gun and a badge? I dont think he should not be able to have more than a desk job or parking duty.
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
    Distracted walking is a huge cause of accidents resulting in ER visits.
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:52 AM GMT

    This guy kind of lost me when he started quoting Rush Limbaugh but can't argue with his message.
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    Jun 10, 2015 2:44 AM GMT
    I think it should be totally legal for Dillon's friends to kill the officer (if they're able to) in his defense.

    If it were another civilian doing that shooting, it would be totally legal for them to do that.
  • blueandgold

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    Jun 10, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
    While certainly a serious incident worthy of consideration, I'm wary of any news story that starts with the title "shocking new video".

    The salt lake Tribune has a considerably more reasonable and neutral reporting of the incident, explaining both sides of this story.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp
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    Jun 10, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
    blueandgold saidWhile certainly a serious incident worthy of consideration, I'm wary of any news story that starts with the title "shocking new video".

    The salt lake Tribune has a considerably more reasonable and neutral reporting of the incident, explaining both sides of this story.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp




    I'm sorry but this just incriminates the cop even more in my opinion.

    "By the time Dillon drew his hands from his waistband, Officer Cruz's belief that Dillon was presenting a weapon [and ... would use the weapon against officers] was reasonable."

    I don't give a God damn about this asshole's "belief." You don't murder someone over a "belief." The kid was wearing bright white earbuds which you can see clearly in the video and he was OBVIOUSLY trying to turn down the volume on his ipod so he could hear the asshole.
  • blueandgold

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    Jun 11, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
    Radd said
    blueandgold saidWhile certainly a serious incident worthy of consideration, I'm wary of any news story that starts with the title "shocking new video".

    The salt lake Tribune has a considerably more reasonable and neutral reporting of the incident, explaining both sides of this story.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp




    I'm sorry but this just incriminates the cop even more in my opinion.

    "By the time Dillon drew his hands from his waistband, Officer Cruz's belief that Dillon was presenting a weapon [and ... would use the weapon against officers] was reasonable."

    I don't give a God damn about this asshole's "belief." You don't murder someone over a "belief." The kid was wearing bright white earbuds which you can see clearly in the video and he was OBVIOUSLY trying to turn down the volume on his ipod so he could hear the asshole.


    You may not care about the officers belief, but the Utah legal system certainly does. It has codified a number of laws regarding the use of force, as have all states.

    The imminent use of unlawful force.

    "(1) (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that force or a threat of force is necessary to defend the person or a third person against another person's imminent use of unlawful force.

    (b) A person is justified in using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury only if the person reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to the person or a third person as a result of another person's imminent use of unlawful force, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony..."

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    Jun 11, 2015 4:02 AM GMT
    blueandgold said
    Radd said
    blueandgold saidWhile certainly a serious incident worthy of consideration, I'm wary of any news story that starts with the title "shocking new video".

    The salt lake Tribune has a considerably more reasonable and neutral reporting of the incident, explaining both sides of this story.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp




    I'm sorry but this just incriminates the cop even more in my opinion.

    "By the time Dillon drew his hands from his waistband, Officer Cruz's belief that Dillon was presenting a weapon [and ... would use the weapon against officers] was reasonable."

    I don't give a God damn about this asshole's "belief." You don't murder someone over a "belief." The kid was wearing bright white earbuds which you can see clearly in the video and he was OBVIOUSLY trying to turn down the volume on his ipod so he could hear the asshole.


    You may not care about the officers belief, but the Utah legal system certainly does. It has codified a number of laws regarding the use of force, as have all states.

    The imminent use of unlawful force.

    "(1) (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that force or a threat of force is necessary to defend the person or a third person against another person's imminent use of unlawful force.

    (b) A person is justified in using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury only if the person reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to the person or a third person as a result of another person's imminent use of unlawful force, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony..."



    This cop followed the kid onto the sidewalk. He could have tazed him or he could have taken cover behind a parked car until he saw what he was reaching for. This idiot had many choices but he chose murder. I can't believe anyone could defend this asshole after viewing that footage.
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    Jun 11, 2015 6:06 AM GMT
    Not taking sides but the "dailykoz" regularly leaves out many pertinent facts in order to create calculated outrage and hysteria. I would advise finding a few more versions of the story before rushing to conclusions, in the end it could be as outrageous as it seems, but with the gay community often being the target of "yellow journalism " we should seek out the truth as we would like other folks to do when we are the victims of anti-gay hysteria by so called news sources with some kind of hidden agenda.