Billy Graham's Church Calls For Christians To Boycott Wells Fargo Bank Over Same-Sex Adoption Ad

  • metta

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    Jun 08, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
    Billy Graham's Church Calls For Christians To Boycott Wells Fargo Bank Over Same-Sex Adoption Ad


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/billy_graham_s_church_calls_for_christians_to_boycott_wells_fargo_bank_over_same_sex_adoption_ad
  • metta

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    Jun 08, 2015 4:34 PM GMT
    I doubt that Billy Graham would have approved of the actions of his family.


    His family has been speaking for him for many years.
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 08, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
    I refuse to wish death on anyone, but Billy Graham should leave television. He's continually polluting the airwaves with his bigoted and myopic view of history, morality and religion. It's sad, actually.
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    Jun 08, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    This is Franklin Graham. Billy Graham retired 10 years or so ago and is in poor health and rarely makes public appearances. And Webster, you might want to read about Billy Graham's work with Martin Luther King Jr and his fight against segregation. Bigot hardly applies to Billy Graham.
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    Jun 08, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    Just learned this: Graham was a regular correspondent with Nelson Mandela and openly denounced apartheid. He was also a registered Democrat.
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    Jun 08, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI doubt that Billy Graham would have approved of the actions of his family.

    I would agree with this. It would be interesting to see what he'd have to say about gay issues if he were still healthy and active.
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    Jun 08, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
    http://billygraham.org/answer/does-the-bible-approve-of-some-homosexual-relationships/
    Q: Does the Bible approve of some homosexual relationships?

    A: The Bible provides God’s blueprint for marriage and for His good gift of sex in Genesis 2:24. The gift is only to be enjoyed within a marriage between a man and a woman.

    There are no exceptions suggested, such as homosexual partnerships


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-g-long/like-father-like-son-billy-grahams-advice-to-a-lesbian_b_5042667.html
    Like Father, Like Son...make no mistake about it: However moderate he appeared at points, Rev. (sic) Billy Graham was just another bigoted preacher spouting anti-gay theology


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/04/why-moderate-billy-graham-supports-north-carolina-gay-marriage-ban.html
    Why Moderate Billy Graham Supports North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban...

    Billy Graham took an unusual step into the political arena this week, pledging his support for a ballot initiative that would make it next to impossible to legalize gay marriage in North Carolina, where it is already legally banned. Graham, who is 93 and recently survived an extended hospital stay, released a statement that will be published in 14 newspapers ahead of next Tuesday’s vote.


    http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/160791-billy-graham-supports-ban-on-gay-marriage-in-north-carolina.html
    At 93, I never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage,” Graham’s statement also said. “The Bible is clear — God’s definition of marriage is between a man and a woman.


    Born a douche, lived a douche, he'll die a douche.

    Hey, Billy, Go fuck yourself.
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 08, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
    Hey, DefensiveEnd, Billy Graham is a known LGBT bigot who's "Evangelical Ministries" is responsible for bootleg conversion therapies and likely teen suicides.

    That the old man ostensibly retired and let his bigoted son take over the Graham church reigns, including the NAME, which is the brand I was targeting, Billy is no less culpable.

    As I originally said, Billy Graham needs to back off of LGBTs, same goes for his bigoted son using the Graham church name.

    And standing up for civil rights regarding racial desegregation means nothing if you're wrong on another, huge, moral issue. One right doesn't wash away decades of wrong.
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    Jun 08, 2015 7:33 PM GMT
    Like I said, Graham has been retired for over a decade due to health problems and no longer speaks in public or to reporters. A lot of people feel the recent alignment with the religious right on issues such as gay marriage and political candidates reflect the beliefs of Franklin Graham because they are so far away from the causes Billy Graham devoted himself to.
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    Jun 08, 2015 7:51 PM GMT


    hehehehehehehehehe...
    I've been wondering if some religious leader would be ignorant enough to do this.

    How well I remember what happened when Baptist Pope Jerry Falwell called for a boycott of Disney for hiring gays and giving them family insurance that covered their partners. That was 1998. Mike Eisner laughed about it told them to have at it. That year I went to Disney TWICE (took the oldest 2 grandchildren -by myself- once and then did Disney Gay Days without them)

    Not only did Falwell's boycott backfire, it caused several other corporations to follow suit. Koch Industries did in 1999.

    Think of how stupid it is. All he's trying to boycott is an image in a TV commercial that at least 70% of the US has no issues with. Aren't there five shows on TV now with gay parents? Aren't there children with gay parents in schools all over 50 states? Aren't there gay parents with kids in restaurants, movie theaters, EVERYWHERE now?????

    And he wants to boycott over a three second image in a commercial.

    He's out there fighting the real issue, isn't he?

    Mail Franklin Graham a get-the-fuck-over-it card.
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    Jun 08, 2015 7:59 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidLike I said, Graham has been retired for over a decade due to health problems and no longer speaks in public or to reporters. A lot of people feel the recent alignment with the religious right on issues such as gay marriage and political candidates reflect the beliefs of Franklin Graham because they are so far away from the causes Billy Graham devoted himself to.


    You don't get points in my book for being LESS bigoted than your son. Billy supported the proposed NC ban on same-sex marriage and his "ministries" of outreach to the poor little gays (read: unprofessional conversion therapy from a religious stance) has nothing to do with Franklin...his church instituted that under his stewardship. The Church didn't suddenly start counseling gays because Billy left and the bigots took over. Billy is just as culpable.
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    Jun 08, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
    The Enduring Classics of Billy Graham late 1985ish
    [url]https://books.google.com/books?id=X7QY4tzUUrYC&pg=PT141&lpg=PT141&dq=billy+graham+aids&source=bl&ots=AWugA6aRa6&sig=am3CNYe8XE8ktAxPguSfRjWQP3A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CPl1VcSzHomvyQTW_IDwDw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&q=billy%20graham%20aids&f=false[/url]
    "If AIDS had never become a disease, practicing homosexuality would still be wrong..."


    Then there was Billy Graham Crackers in 1993 "Is AIDS a judgment from God? I think so." Though to be fair, he did later recant.

    And who could forget Billy Graham Crackers in 2012
    http://www.charismanews.com/us/34436-billy-graham-speaks-out-on-gay-marriage-in-minnesota
    "As a former resident with strong personal and ministry ties to the North Star State, I pray that the good people of Minnesota will show their support for God's definition of marriage, between a man and a woman. I wholeheartedly endorse the Marriage Protection Amendment, and urge you to vote Yes to pass Amendment 1."


    This guy spent a lifetime collecting money for empowering your enemies.
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    Jun 08, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    DefensiveEnd saidLike I said, Graham has been retired for over a decade due to health problems and no longer speaks in public or to reporters. A lot of people feel the recent alignment with the religious right on issues such as gay marriage and political candidates reflect the beliefs of Franklin Graham because they are so far away from the causes Billy Graham devoted himself to.


    You don't get points in my book for being LESS bigoted than your son. Billy supported the proposed NC ban on same-sex marriage and his "ministries" of outreach to the poor little gays (read: unprofessional conversion therapy from a religious stance) has nothing to do with Franklin...his church instituted that under his stewardship. The Church didn't suddenly start counseling gays because Billy left and the bigots took over. Billy is just as culpable.

    That NC initiative was 2011 or 2012. Again, Billy Graham was in very poor health and not seen or heard from. Although his name was attached, many people in NC thought this was the work of Franklin Graham. My personal opinion is that Billy Graham's health doesn't permit him any oversight of his ministries at all these days and everything you've heard for quite a while now is from Franklin Graham. Now, I'm well aware that it's hard for you to discuss or debate civilly for very long without it resorting to name calling or nastiness. And then I'm going to have to bite your tail off like that horse did to American Pharoah when he got out of line. So I'm done. The thing about me that's different from most other people here is that I don't have the need or desire to make people think the way I do. And I can respect and even like people who do disagree with me. So you believe what you will. I actually have some respect for Billy Graham.
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    Jun 08, 2015 9:08 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidBigot hardly applies to Billy Graham.

    Really? Because Billy Graham was recorded on the infamous Nixon White House tapes saying disgusting and scurrilous things about Jews. Proud anti-semite, that piece of shit.
  • irishkcguy

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    Jun 08, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    On a similar note, Tony Camplolo calls for the full inclusion of gay couples into the church.


    http://elielcruz.religionnews.com/2015/06/08/tony-campolo-announces-support-for-inclusion-of-gay-christian-couples/
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 08, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    @DefensiveEnd

    (1). You can have "some" respect for whomever you want, including Billy Graham. I think he's worse than the plague because he spreads ignorance and misinformation based on "revelation" he supposedly receives from God. That's f-ed up.

    (2). I never name-called you, but you did FIRST when you wrote that passive aggressive bitchy comment about, ironically, me allegedly being bitchy. Your faux concern is duly noted.

    Your hypocrisy in first name-calling an alleged name-caller is making my stomach upset....

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    Jun 08, 2015 9:47 PM GMT
    I didn't say you called me anything in this thread (but you have in the past). I said you can't go very long without resorting to name calling and nastiness (see any thread in the politics section) and, thus, I was ending the discussion before it devolved to that. I think you proved my point.
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    Jun 08, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidI didn't say you called me anything in this thread (but you have in the past). I said you can't go very long without resorting to name calling and nastiness (see any thread in the politics section) and, thus, I was ending the discussion before it devolved to that. I think you proved my point.


    Jesus, come down off that cross, somebody else needs the wood. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 08, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    DefensiveEnd saidI didn't say you called me anything in this thread (but you have in the past). I said you can't go very long without resorting to name calling and nastiness (see any thread in the politics section) and, thus, I was ending the discussion before it devolved to that. I think you proved my point.


    Jesus, come down off that cross, somebody else needs the wood. icon_rolleyes.gif

    You don't have to call me Jesus and I've got plenty of wood for everybody. That was close to funny though.
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    Jun 08, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    2005
    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/16/lkl.01.html

    KING: So some of the social issues of the day. How do you react to gay marriage?

    GRAHAM: Of course I believe marriage is for one man and one woman.

    KING: Do you believe in gays having a civil union?

    GRAHAM: I don't think so.

    ...homosexuality, but it's just one of many sins. There is pride, lust, greed, all these things...


    This is a guy who spent his life scamming money by making our lives miserable. This is a guy who's likely amassed a net worth of at least $25,000,000 while doing "God's work" all the while creating a spiritual atmosphere encouraging our gay youth to kill themselves.

    He should go fuck himself into eternity.
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    Jun 08, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    1984
    Billy Graham Crackers, the early years
    http://www.communitychurch.tv/Websites/CommunityChurch/images/Bill_Graham_Christian_Workers_Handbook.pdf

    T H E
    BILLY GRAHAM
    C H R I S T I A N
    WOR K E R ’ S
    HANDBOOK

    HOMOSEXUALITY

    Although there is increasing militancy among homosexuals, resulting in an open defense of their lifestyle and the formation of gay organizations and campaigns for gay rights, millions among them still live a double life due to societal pressure and intolerance. Fear of discovery becomes an obsession and a heavy load of guilt may be carried by those who realize the moral implications of the practice.

    The serious student of the Bible cannot dismiss homosexual behavior simply as an alternate lifestyle. Nor can it be argued that homosexuals were “born this way” or that such behavior is an illness. While God does not love the homosexual any less than He does anyone else, such behavior is a departure from the natural order of His creation. Though most homosexuals feel that they have not chosen their sexual orientation, the fact remains that many have responded improperly to this orientation; it is this response which must be dealt with in the light of Scripture.

    ....blablablablablablablaaaaaa....The church cannot condone the lifestyle of homosexuals...blablabla...many homosexuals report being transformed through the power of the Gospel, even though some of them may never be completely free from homosexual tendencies...blablabla....Paul, in writing to people who had been involved in homosexual behavior and many other types of sin, says, “There was a time when some of you were just like that but now your sins are washed away...blablabla.......blablabla.......blablabla...


    This guy has caused our kids to kill themselves.
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 09, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
    DefensiveEnd said
    Svnw688 said
    DefensiveEnd saidI didn't say you called me anything in this thread (but you have in the past). I said you can't go very long without resorting to name calling and nastiness (see any thread in the politics section) and, thus, I was ending the discussion before it devolved to that. I think you proved my point.


    Jesus, come down off that cross, somebody else needs the wood. icon_rolleyes.gif

    You don't have to call me Jesus and I've got plenty of wood for everybody. That was close to funny though.


    Lol, I'll admit, you were funny there icon_lol.gif

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  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 09, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    If you read the original article, what Graham's church is calling for is for their followers to boycott every company that has pro-gay policies.
    To which I say, LET'S SEE YOU DO IT, MORONS.

    Virtually every major company that makes every product now has non-discrimination policies that include LGBT employees. A recent BusinessWeek story estimated about 90% of the Fortune 500 companies.

    There are so many companies that include sexual minorities in their advertising that I can't begin to count them.

    So I say to America's angry anti-gay conservative bigots:
    Stop threatening to check out of society and PLEASE DO IT.
    Let's see you live without the internet, computers, cell phones, tv, cars, grocery stores, pharmaceuticals, airlines, electricity, etc.
    Go live in the woods and eat dirt... you'll be doing the civilized members of our society a major favor by getting rid of yourselves.

  • Wendigo9

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    Jun 09, 2015 4:31 AM GMT
    it is true that same-sex adoption can ruin a childs development in life, raise a boy around women long enough, he'll think he's mean to be a women, look at bruce (sorry, caitlyn) jenner. . . kardashians turned a middle aged man into a freak!
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    KissTheSky saidIf you read the original article, what Graham's church is calling for is for their followers to boycott every company that has pro-gay policies.
    To which I say, LET'S SEE YOU DO IT, MORONS.

    Virtually every major company that makes every product now has non-discrimination policies that include LGBT employees. A recent BusinessWeek story estimated about 90% of the Fortune 500 companies.

    There are so many companies that include sexual minorities in their advertising that I can't begin to count them.

    So I say to America's angry anti-gay conservative bigots:
    Stop threatening to check out of society and PLEASE DO IT.
    Let's see you live without the internet, computers, cell phones, tv, cars, grocery stores, pharmaceuticals, airlines, electricity, etc.
    Go live in the woods and eat dirt... you'll be doing the civilized members of our society a major favor by getting rid of yourselves.




    I agree, we have been working on that since 2002, at least. Not sure how their religious boycott would go over on the fortune 500. BTW, Wells Fargo, always a part of our pride, and however crappy a bank they are have scored 100% for a while now. Maybe they can rely solely on hate corp like Koch icon_confused.gif


    Corporate Equality Index
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Equality_Index

    Since 2002, the Corporate Equality Index has been published by the Human Rights Campaign. It was originally modeled after the Gay and Lesbian Values Index, a rating system that was designed by journalist Grant Lukenbill.[5] When the HRC modified it, it became a 100-point system, as opposed to Grant's 10-point one.[6] In its first year, the Corporate Equality Index awarded its 100 percent rating to 13 businesses.[7] Each year, there has been an increase in the number of businesses that achieve this rating. In the 2011 index, 337 companies received the 100 percent rating.[8] The criteria for the index has changed since its first publication. Beginning in 2006, transgender rights issues became more imperative to the index than they had previously been; consequently, the 2012 index will include more updated criteria regarding benefits of partnerships and transgender inclusivity


    They ONLY cared cause of the $480 million they would have lost in federal contracts icon_rolleyes.gif


    Exxon adds LGBT protections to comply with federal law
    http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2015/02/exxon-adds-lgbt-protections-to-corporate-policies.html

    Exxon has faced criticism related to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues on multiple occasions. Although the company said in 2013 it would extend benefits to legally married same-sex couples in the U.S., Exxon still has one of the worst LGBT records among Fortune 500 companies

    This wasn’t prompted by a change of principles or corporate values, it represents Exxon’s response to President Obama’s July 2014 executive order that prohibits federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people,” Deena Fidas, director of the Human Rights Campaign’s Workplace Equality Program said in a statement. “Exxon had to include these explicit workplace protections or risk losing its federal contracts.”