New Survey Shows How Racist the Gay Community Is

  • metta

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    Jun 09, 2015 6:16 AM GMT
    New Survey Shows How Racist the Gay Community Is


    http://www.gayguys.com/2015/06/new-survey-shows-racist-gay-community/
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 09, 2015 12:10 PM GMT
    The gay and lesbian community is just as hyper segregated as the rest of American society. White guys tend to just be around other white guys, black guys tend to be around other black guys. There is the same level of distrust in the gay and lesbian community towards people of color as there is in the rest of American society. Horribly sad but true.icon_sad.gif
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    Jun 09, 2015 1:47 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe gay and lesbian community is just as hyper segregated as the rest of American society. White guys tend to just be around other white guys, black guys tend to be around other black guys. There is the same level of distrust in the gay and lesbian community towards people of color as there is in the rest of American society. Horribly sad but true.icon_sad.gif


    I don't see this around here. Of course the gym is pretty much the only thing I do on a regular basis outside the house other than work. However, at the gym I see really no issues with the white and black guys. Everyone seems to get on just fine and hang out together.

    Due to JPMorgan Chase, there's a large Indian contingent and they tend to self segregate except for one who I know. That might very well be a language barrier, but they all seem to speak English fine.

    In the male homosexual community in LA I saw and heard lots of racism, much toward blacks, but a lot more toward Asians. Not so much though in the dyke community.
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    Jun 09, 2015 2:59 PM GMT
    But this can't be true. I've never heard a single person ever admit to being racist. icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 09, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
    This must vary by areas of the US. Here I see mixed race couples all the time. Both same-sex and straight. The other night we were at one of our favorite restaurants, guests of our closest lesbian couple friends, and I noted how many tables were multi-racial, rather than all lily white Euro.

    It's become rather the norm here, and I'm glad to see it. If the gay community is racist, per this survey, it's not the gay community that **I** know. Maybe it's reflecting the gay community over in Texas, Kansas, and those other bible-thumping States. I sure don't see it here.
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    Jun 09, 2015 3:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis must vary by areas of the US. Here I see mixed race couples all the time. Both same-sex and straight. The other night we were at one of our favorite restaurants, guests of our closest lesbian couple friends, and I noted how many tables were multi-racial, rather than all lily white Euro.

    It's become rather the norm here, and I'm glad to see it. If the gay community is racist, per this survey, it's not the gay community that **I** know. Maybe it's reflecting the gay community over in Texas, Kansas, and those other bible-thumping States. I sure don't see it here.


    It sure was in WeHo and West LA, but I don't know about here. No one will even speak to me as I'm way too old and out to pasture.
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    Jun 09, 2015 4:06 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis must vary by areas of the US. Here I see mixed race couples all the time. Both same-sex and straight. The other night we were at one of our favorite restaurants, guests of our closest lesbian couple friends, and I noted how many tables were multi-racial, rather than all lily white Euro.

    It's become rather the norm here, and I'm glad to see it. If the gay community is racist, per this survey, it's not the gay community that **I** know. Maybe it's reflecting the gay community over in Texas, Kansas, and those other bible-thumping States. I sure don't see it here.
    Unfortunately our gay and lesbian community in Buffalo is still segregated and I remember some of the white gay guys making vicious racist comments about blacks in general referring to all of them as lazy welfare recipients who love to steal from others. I have been told by numerous people that the same exact situation exists not only in Buffalo but also in Rochester, Syracuse, Erie, Pittsburgh, Akron, and Cleveland.
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    Jun 09, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
    The article's referenced link (which I've skimmed, not yet read though it looks interesting)...

    http://www.gmfa.org.uk/Sites/fsmagazine/pages/fs148-racism-and-the-gay-scene

    ...shows the survey in just "Britain's gay scene", so aside from whether it was accurate or interpreted correctly, I don't know how representative it might be outside that culture because Gallup & Pew polls in the USA show not just ever increasing approval rates of interracial coupling generally but even higher in practice among the gay population than among the str8 one.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx
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    In a past post I've cited a poll showing a pretty big difference in gay/str8 interracial coupling but quickly just googled this now to make the point...

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/06/SDT_LGBT-Americans_06-2013.pdf

    page 28 of 160 shows of interracial couples: same-sex 13.9%; umarried opposite 12.7%; married opposite 6.4%.

    So with as much complaint as is made against American prejudices, we certainly seem by that pretty accepting generally with specifically, at least by these numbers, gay community being more accepting than the general population.
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    Jun 09, 2015 4:41 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidThis must vary by areas of the US. Here I see mixed race couples all the time. Both same-sex and straight. The other night we were at one of our favorite restaurants, guests of our closest lesbian couple friends, and I noted how many tables were multi-racial, rather than all lily white Euro.

    It's become rather the norm here, and I'm glad to see it. If the gay community is racist, per this survey, it's not the gay community that **I** know. Maybe it's reflecting the gay community over in Texas, Kansas, and those other bible-thumping States. I sure don't see it here.

    It sure was in WeHo and West LA, but I don't know about here. No one will even speak to me as I'm way too old and out to pasture.

    Age is a different issue. Come down to Wilton Manors for a visit, where you'll be chicken. I'll show you around, you'll be fighting the guys off you. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 09, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco saidThis must vary by areas of the US. Here I see mixed race couples all the time. Both same-sex and straight. The other night we were at one of our favorite restaurants, guests of our closest lesbian couple friends, and I noted how many tables were multi-racial, rather than all lily white Euro.

    It's become rather the norm here, and I'm glad to see it. If the gay community is racist, per this survey, it's not the gay community that **I** know. Maybe it's reflecting the gay community over in Texas, Kansas, and those other bible-thumping States. I sure don't see it here.

    It sure was in WeHo and West LA, but I don't know about here. No one will even speak to me as I'm way too old and out to pasture.

    Age is a different issue. Come down to Wilton Manors for a visit, where you'll be chicken. I'll show you around, you'll be fighting the guys off you. icon_biggrin.gif


    I'm 'chicken' in this neighborhood. Everyone thinks it's their duty to 'fix me up'. I've actually met one that I'm ok with, but there just hasn't been much time to do much of anything. For going out to dinner (which I should do a lot more given what I do for a living) and to live music, I'm all game.
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 09, 2015 5:28 PM GMT
    This survey is interesting, but really misses the mark because--like many studies--it lumps ALL black people into a monolithic group as if there's no differentiation between African Americans, Island blacks, rich blacks, poor blacks, light skin blacks, dark skinned blacks, educated blacks, undereducated blacks, etc.

    Look, let's get this real clear here, and make no mistake. White people, straight or gay, are NOT racist towards blacks who are SUFFICIENTLY (that's where the work is done) similar to them. For example, if a "black" person is mixed or light skinned, then they're almost automatically 'in' the proverbial club. If a "black" person works on Wall Street or a law firm in Manhattan, then they're 'in' the club. If a "black" person articulates and speaks like a typical white person, and listens to Blake Shelton and Muse, he is in the club.

    However, if a black person largely identifies with the black culture, speaks according to black language construction and using black idioms (which whites generally refer to as "improper" English, yet they fail to realize that if an "error" is repeated consistently by a culture it is, in fact, a valid alternative way of speaking), wears dreadlocks, wears respectable but more visibly urgan clothing, etc., then they're probably NOT going to be allowed in the proberbial club.

    Now, we can debate whether this is good or bad, and we can debate this phenomenons implications. But don't for a second think that "blacks" are some monolothic group. Whites are not. Blacks are not. And our treatment depends on the image--whether inadvertent or intentional--we present to the world.

    A prime example is me and my brother growing up. We're both roughly half white and half black (there's Native American Cherokee and some Latin America and Mexican in there, but it's smaller), so we're effectively biracial. I remember my mother when I was 8 or so asking me if I ever felt out of place at the country club. Of course I didn't. I wasn't trying to act 'white', but I simply preferred typically white activities and manners of being. I was a classicially trained ballet dancer, I enjoyed the arts, I would walk around the country club in white shorts, pink pastel polos with the collar popped, and Ralph Lauren slip ons. And most importantly, I had the attitude that I belonged, and people responded accordingly and openly. My brother, on the other hand, was into the 'black' culture, and he dressed accordingly. He also kind of acted shy. More than once people mistook him for the help who simply wasn't in uniform. That never happened to me. The difference? He didn't think he belonged, and therefore didn't act like he belonged. And people responded accordingly.

    We really have to stop talking about "black" people as if it's a singular monolithic thing. The gay community sure isn't, neither are blacks.

    I'm not saying this is how it should be, I'm simply saying HOW IT IS FACTUALLY.

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    Jun 09, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
    Hey Carlton.
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    Jun 09, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    To be fair there is a lot of selection (by straight and gay people - probably more by straight as gay people use the maxim "hot is hot") within ethnicities based on which "group" someone belongs to e.g. many privately educated individuals would not be interested in dating a state school educated person (the reverse could be even more true).

    Lots of dating "chat" among the teenager and young adult group is limited to trite observations about reality and children's TV - you only have to look at Facebook to see this is true. Such conversation is impenetrable for someone from a different background.
  • ZakSayWhat

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    Jun 09, 2015 6:52 PM GMT
    I legit don't care. I'm so over racism. Im ready to move on.
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    Jun 09, 2015 7:06 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidHey Carlton.
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    LOL, I NEVER wore khakis. Eww. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 09, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    Ohno saidTo be fair there is a lot of selection (by straight and gay people - probably more by straight as gay people use the maxim "hot is hot") within ethnicities based on which "group" someone belongs to e.g. many privately educated individuals would not be interested in dating a state school educated person (the reverse could be even more true).

    Lots of dating "chat" among the teenager and young adult group is limited to trite observations about reality and children's TV - you only have to look at Facebook to see this is true. Such conversation is impenetrable for someone from a different background.


    This makes sense to me. The whole in-group, out-group phenomenon.

    And I'd take it a step further. I'd argue that your social "class" or the amount of money you have is MORE determiniative of acceptance than is your race. While I've witnessed a few hardcore racists (whites refusing to date coloreds, or blacks refusing to date whites), that is the rare exception. I do, however, often see classism and people simply not giving a person a shot because they're wearing jeans at happy hour instead of a suit. Women (straight) are particularly guilty of this, in my opinion. But gays do it too where it becomes a "lifestyle" issue. Phrases such as "bridge and tunnel trash" (referring to those who live outside of Manhattan) or laughing at people who arrive early before the cover charge activates or when the cover charge is reduced (the switching hour between no cover charge and $20 dollars is usually 10:30 to 11, precisely because nobody wants to go out in NYC before 12:30 or 1).

    It's sad, but it happens.
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    DefensiveEnd saidHey Carlton.
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    LOL, I NEVER wore khakis. Eww. icon_biggrin.gif


    I thought Carlton was cute! And I love a hot ass in khakis!
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    Jun 09, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    I wish I could say the survey shocked me but it didn't. Overall gay men are some of the most judgmental people I've ever met in my life and considering our own place in society and all the things some of us are fighting for it shocks the hell outta me when I hear some of the shit gay men say. So fast to stereotype and add labels.

    I judge the man not the race. Assholes come in all colours, shapes and sizes (cough) but I guess if you don't find a particular race attractive then you just don't but don't say shit like they're all this and they're all that.
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    Jun 09, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
    I really don't think this is surprising at all. I mean, gay people are people, they're not that different than straights. I think the problem is that most people feel comfortable to be within their certain ethnic groups, so they interact, date, get married within that group. Same thing with gay people. Plus the majority of gay porn perpetuate the stereotypes of gay minority men (Black, Latin, Asian, Arabs) or whatever. And then, if you break a stereotype and don't fit the mold, guys would be like **Um, no, you're supposed to be this**. Lol, and I find that there's a double standard racism on minority gay men because they're not white or whatever. But I think the best attitude is to just live your life, treat people like you want to be treated and date whoever you want. This would also explain why so many monogamous gay couples don't hang out at gay bars because of all the mean/judgmental queens !! icon_redface.gificon_redface.gificon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gificon_confused.gif
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
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    Radd saidBut this can't be true. I've never heard a single person ever admit to being racist. icon_confused.gif


    you would know that best right? icon_lol.gif


    Yes I would. I know a LOT about racism. Living in a city with a large black population I have probably experienced a lot more racism from blacks than you have from whites. I bet you can safely walk through any white neighborhood where you live but if I tried to walk through many black neighborhoods where I live, I would be shot dead in a heartbeat. But you're not concerned about THAT type of racism though are you?
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:55 AM GMT
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    Svnw688 said
    DefensiveEnd saidHey Carlton.
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    LOL, I NEVER wore khakis. Eww. icon_biggrin.gif


    I thought Carlton was cute! And I love a hot ass in khakis!
    He was so much better than will smith and that huge ego!!
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    " if I tried to walk through many black neighborhoods where I live, I would be shot dead in a heartbeat."

    Maybe, maybe not. I've been in so many "dangerous" neighborhoods around the world and never had so much as an insult thrown at me.

    People are better than you may think.
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:55 AM GMT
    Its been scientifically prooved blacks got teh biigest dicks and asians the smallest, whites are in the middle.

    Latins ARE passionate, just take a look at how they behave in Brasil, the Caribe, etc and compare them with Finland, Germany or Denmark.... !!!

    Assians ARE submissive, come on name ONE asian top, I dare you.

    Arabs topping and not concidering themsleves gay is a cultural thing from the retrograde countries they live.

    All these things are perceptions that happen to be true, sorry about the butthurts that dont like it.
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    FitnessWorker said" if I tried to walk through many black neighborhoods where I live, I would be shot dead in a heartbeat."

    Maybe, maybe not. I've been in so many "dangerous" neighborhoods around the world and never had so much as an insult thrown at me.

    People are better than you may think.



    see... he basically tells on himself saying racist comments like that and then goes like... "i'm not racist".


    You stupid piece of shit.....get a fucking dictionary. There is NOTHING even remotely racist about my comment.
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:29 PM GMT
    pazmurder said
    Radd said
    pazmurder said
    FitnessWorker said" if I tried to walk through many black neighborhoods where I live, I would be shot dead in a heartbeat."

    Maybe, maybe not. I've been in so many "dangerous" neighborhoods around the world and never had so much as an insult thrown at me.

    People are better than you may think.



    see... he basically tells on himself saying racist comments like that and then goes like... "i'm not racist".


    You stupid piece of shit.....get a fucking dictionary. There is NOTHING even remotely racist about my comment.


    really? icon_lol.gif

    you never think you're wrong even when you are wrong so what is the point even talking to you?

    you talk a lot of shit but yet bitch up when people call you out. it's pathetic. i seen you in the other thread telling me to pull up all the times you said the n-word claiming you NEVER said it. icon_lol.gif if you're going to be making these claims about masculine this, masculine that, man's man, at least be man enough to own up to your words.

    you're NOT a victim. you're just someone that throws the victim card when it suits your benefits but turn around and victimize people because that's your style. i guess you think that jumping on a computer and making yourself into whatever is supposed to make you powerful, right? icon_lol.gif
    Hey, Paz Monster, give your angry rhetoric a long overdue rest. Your bitching and screaming is getting very old and increasingly irrelevant.