Gays VS US FDA

  • Nicahlos1

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    Jun 09, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
    Do you think its okay to agree with the FDA on why gays shouldn't donate or accept their blood because they make up 2 % of the US population and have a higher risk of having hiv or the gay population has a higher percentage of hiv than other groups, while other groups hiv risk decreased over the years the gay population hiv cases increased?
    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
    Here is a medical fact for you Pazzy, it is safer to have sex with PrEP than with a condom. You can slut shame all you want but the numbers don't lie.
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    southbeach1500 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    pazmurder said

    even now, folks are basically saying fuck condoms and having safe sex with the whole "PreP" and whatever. overall, the gay male community has an anti safe sex mentality and with that going around, you can't be too sure of which gay man has what.


    God, STFU already. Talkin' shit like you're somebody with actual life experience. It's plainly obvious you're a self-loathing gay.

    Always hyperbole coming from you and your dimwitted long winded contributions.



    Why don't you refute him based on facts instead of trotting out the tired old "you are a self-loathing gay" slogan?


    Or perhaps you can provide us with facts to support all the hoopla that spazz keeps perpetuating in the forums. You both have dismal opinions about gay men so I'm not surprised by your response here.


    The CDC stopped referring to sex without condoms as "unprotected sex" last year now it is simply "condomless sex" .....why? Because the CDC recognizes that other forms of risk reduction are "PROTECTION".

    NO Stigma. Safe sex terminology has changed drastically in the last year.

    The same for ACON (Australian Health Dept.)

    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’,provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    Even the "and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs)" has come under scrutiny. In the UK PROUD PrEP study, other STDs were not a co-factor.

    The FDA says:
    "FDA's primary responsibility with regard to blood and blood products is to assure the safety of patients who receive these life-saving products. FDA uses multiple layers of safeguards in its approach to ensuring blood safety, which include donor screening and deferral based on risk factors, blood testing for markers of infection, inventory controls, and deferral registries. The use of these multiple layers helps to assure the safety of the products in the event that one layer fails."


    The Red Cross:
    "You should not give blood to get tested for AIDS. Using blood donation as a way to get tested could put the blood supply at risk and endanger patients. HIV antibodies may take a few weeks to develop after infection with the virus. If you were recently infected, you might have a negative test result, yet be able to infect the recipient of your donation. That is why you must not give blood if you are at risk of getting AIDS or other infectious diseases. Individuals at risk for contracting HIV should contact their local health department for AIDS testing."


    It is their first basic line of defense and screening. But then I'd wonder how bad their screening/testing is.

    Is it stigma, or just bending to politics? They depend on blood donations. Mostly 98 percent from the straight community. It isn't enough to guarantee a safe blood supply....they simply need THE vast majority of blood donors to not feel threatened.

    I get it. I don't agree with it. But I understand the trade off.


  • venue35

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    Jun 10, 2015 1:03 AM GMT
    Your first encounter at an lgbt center resulted in a deaf guy and a drag queen trying to feel you up??icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:14 AM GMT
    Oh, and btw the only FDA approved prevention for HIV is PrEP. Condoms have never been approved, or even tested for anal sex.

    My comments reflected what the head of San Diego Blood Bank said in the 90s. They just have a tough time as it is getting blood donations.

    It isn't as if they are refusing to give blood transfusion to Gay men. It's not worth a fight.
  • venue35

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    Jun 10, 2015 1:21 AM GMT
    pazmurder said
    venue35 saidYour first encounter at an lgbt center resulted in a deaf guy and a drag queen trying to feel you up??icon_lol.gif


    yep. it just so happened to be the day before halloween too.

    the crazy part was that i showed up there about 3 hours early just to meet up with those counselors for 30 minutes. wasn't too sure if there was going to be more than one person. icon_neutral.gif it also didn't help that i was nervous as fuck just even going there scared that that shit might happen and turns out it did. icon_sad.gif

    another thing too. when i did meet up with those counselors, another gay guy who was in an adjacent room with a few females started eyeing me up on some icon_redface.gif shit. i was hiding out in another room that nobody was in because i was scared of someone else popping up trying to do same thing the last two people did. anyways, the guy in the adjacent room popped up ready to disrupt the counselors who were shutting the door so we can start talking about my little "secret". i see this dude on some shit like.... "hey... who's that guy right there?" and asking all these questions. i was just nervous like.. "can ya'll please shut the door and get him away from here". icon_neutral.gif shit was weird.
    call a hotline next time no stress
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    Gays are the only community were HIV rates keep increasing, even though there are many ways to prevent that.

    We see the situation every day in RJ where people ask the stupidest questions about HIV, support barebacking and show clear signs of promiscuity and recklessness. So no, I rather not get a blood transfusion from a guy that asks "condoms: yes or no?" (read that with a retarded voice)

    Gays complain society dont respect them on health issues (HIV is still associated with gays) but wont do anything to change that - all the opposite they keep screwing up and making it worse.

    I feel sorry for the ones that do care about their health and get dragged with the losers that don't but the numbers are there, if you want a change then change yourself first.
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:32 AM GMT
    venue35 said
    pazmurder said
    venue35 saidYour first encounter at an lgbt center resulted in a deaf guy and a drag queen trying to feel you up??icon_lol.gif


    yep. it just so happened to be the day before halloween too.

    the crazy part was that i showed up there about 3 hours early just to meet up with those counselors for 30 minutes. wasn't too sure if there was going to be more than one person. icon_neutral.gif it also didn't help that i was nervous as fuck just even going there scared that that shit might happen and turns out it did. icon_sad.gif

    another thing too. when i did meet up with those counselors, another gay guy who was in an adjacent room with a few females started eyeing me up on some icon_redface.gif shit. i was hiding out in another room that nobody was in because i was scared of someone else popping up trying to do same thing the last two people did. anyways, the guy in the adjacent room popped up ready to disrupt the counselors who were shutting the door so we can start talking about my little "secret". i see this dude on some shit like.... "hey... who's that guy right there?" and asking all these questions. i was just nervous like.. "can ya'll please shut the door and get him away from here". icon_neutral.gif shit was weird.
    call a hotline next time no stress


    Please! I blocked pazzy ages ago! Quoting in entirety is hard to bare!
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidHere is a medical fact for you Pazzy, it is safer to have sex with PrEP than with a condom. You can slut shame all you want but the numbers don't lie.


    Safer my ass, do you really think than taking drugs every fuckin day is gonna do you any good? I mean, yeah if youre a promiscuous slut or have a poz partner you better be on PrEP and also wear a condom (neither method is 100% effective so you better use both) , many gays are pretty much sluts, not only they wont wear condoms on purpose they wont be able to take PrEP correctly either. For real having sex in the gay world is one of the most depressing things ever, unless you find a guy that's not in the hook up scene of course.
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    Jun 10, 2015 1:45 AM GMT
    David666k saidGays are the only community were HIV rates keep increasing, even though there are many ways to prevent that.

    We see the situation every day in RJ where people ask the stupidest questions about HIV, support barebacking and show clear signs of promiscuity and recklessness. So no, I rather not get a blood transfusion from a guy that asks "condoms: yes or no?" (read that with a retarded voice)

    Gays complain society dont respect them on health issues (HIV is still associated with gays) but wont do anything to change that - all the opposite they keep screwing up and making it worse.

    I feel sorry for the ones that do care about their health and get dragged with the losers that don't but the numbers are there, if you want a change then change yourself first.


    To quote Saturday Night Live!, Jane you ignorant slut!

    You consistently make the most idiotic comments.

    If you look at Vancouver, Boston, San Francisco their rates are way down. Why? Because they are at the center of new methodologies. PrEP, TasP, and anything else that works. San Francisco was at 359 new HIV infections. AMAZING. And they plan on ZERO by 2020.

    Did you read the UK PROUD PrEP study? One group was delayed getting PrEP....but were given the typical sexual advice, condoms and follow up. Many still GOT HIV. The other group that got PrEP, only 3 did. But one was already infected, one didn't take his meds and the other is unknown since he didn't do follow up and probably didn't take his meds. Including those 3 it was 86% Excluding them would have been 100%.

    But you're so in to the blame game, you'd rather blame someone for potentially infecting you than actually, proactively preventing it. You thrive on being negative.



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    Jun 10, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    David666k said
    Wyndahoi saidHere is a medical fact for you Pazzy, it is safer to have sex with PrEP than with a condom. You can slut shame all you want but the numbers don't lie.


    Safer my ass (no thanks!) , do you really think than taking drugs every fuckin day is gonna do you any good? (Not every day, not forever) I mean, yeah if youre a promiscuous slut (Slutshaming aside, that is considered the most at risk, and they absolutely should be on PrEP!) or have a poz partner you better be on PrEP and also wear a condom (neither method is 100% effective so you better use both), many gays are pretty much sluts,)more slut shaming) not only they wont wear condoms on purpose they wont be able to take PrEP correctly either. (So [color=red]you wouldn't be able to take it as prescribed? It is for you to be proactive! But what would you do if you couldn't blame them? )[/color] For real having sex in the gay world is one of the most depressing things ever, (it would be if I was you!) unless you find a guy that's not in the hook up scene of course.


    YOU are the best candidate for PrEP.
    1) You don't think you are at risk. (A risk in itself)
    2) You need to take responsibility for your actions.
    3) You'd be less anxious and more calm, less worried.
  • charlitos666

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    Jun 10, 2015 2:00 AM GMT
    No, its not ok to agree with idiotic laws that a group of retards came up with.
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    Jun 10, 2015 2:22 AM GMT
    charlitos666 saidNo, its not ok to agree with idiotic laws that a group of retards came up with.
    +1
  • Apparition

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    Jun 11, 2015 5:47 AM GMT
    Yes its horrible and wrong, but awesome.
    Now that we convinced them gay blood is harmful, we have to convince them gay money is harmful so giving it to the government is bad too, who wants to pay taxes!?