Left Wing Homosexuals & Right Wing Christians

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    Jan 27, 2009 9:08 PM GMT
    I've been exposed to the gay community from a young innocent age, from stepping off a dairy farm, to going straight into the gay community to work, in 1980. SO one worked for the gay community, and supported it in it's darkest years, when many fled and abandoned it, and only come out again to play when it was safe again to do so; the things I seen.

    But in recent years, my involvement with the gay community has been here at RJ. Here the things I've seen!

    I've come to the conclusion that in reality, the left wing gay community are really not all that diffrent, or any better than the right wing christian movment.

    Both have strong beliefs, and want sway from them.
    Both are meant too be loving and accepting, but in reality neither are. icon_evil.gif

    Both attack, and condemn, anyone who is not in their zone of thinking. and wish for their destruction, and wish they would just go away.

    Both are full of hate and are very spiteful, what is accepting about this?
    Both hate each other, so they too, have this in common.

    Sorry but I truly fail to see much difference between the left wing homosexual movment, and the right wing christian movment.

    The abuse one has endured here at RJ, because I'm not a sheep, and will not follow, or comply. I stand on my own as an individual and stand out for it, and people wish me dead, or that I will go away, so they insight hate and bully me, in a hope that I will, act like a gay magician and go poof and disappear, all this from the left wing homosexual movment. Acceptance we demand, accepting we are not!

    But I'm stronger and better then They are. Sorry guys. icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 27, 2009 10:43 PM GMT
    Whaaa, dose this make right wing Homosexuals = to left wing Christians?
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    Jan 28, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    And where do you stand Pattison... besides on your own soap box?

    I do not believe the "left wing homosexual movement" is as big or as influential as the Christian Right. The Christian Right votes the way they do because of their religious views and/or based on what their pastor tells them.

    The gay-left wing... does not vote based on their sexual orientation. Most do not solely vote democrat just because democrats are more accepting of gay people.

    Many gay people vote democratic for a number of reasons.

    Yes there may be a homosexual left wing... but they are not as big, influential, or organized as the Christian Right. Furthermore... I think there are very few on this site here who subscribe to that way of thinking--I say that as an independent.

    (Perhaps your own views set off flame wars.... making you more likely to view those who differ with you as extremists?)


    The extremism is a cycle. Christian Supremacism feed gay activism which feeds Christian Supremacism... and so on.

    How do we stop that cycle Pattison? Condemning both sides as being irrational?
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    Jan 28, 2009 2:47 AM GMT
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    Jan 28, 2009 3:32 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidAnd where do you stand Pattison... besides on your own soap box?

    I do not believe the "left wing homosexual movement" is as big or as influential as the Christian Right. The Christian Right votes the way they do because of their religious views and/or based on what their pastor tells them.

    The gay-left wing... does not vote based on their sexual orientation. Most do not solely vote democrat just because democrats are more accepting of gay people.

    Many gay people vote democratic for a number of reasons.

    Yes there may be a homosexual left wing... but they are not as big, influential, or organized as the Christian Right. Furthermore... I think there are very few on this site here who subscribe to that way of thinking--I say that as an independent.

    (Perhaps your own views set off flame wars.... making you more likely to view those who differ with you as extremists?)


    The extremism is a cycle. Christian Supremacism feed gay activism which feeds Christian Supremacism... and so on.

    How do we stop that cycle Pattison? Condemning both sides as being irrational?

    Knew there was a reason I liked you CJ icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 28, 2009 4:19 AM GMT
    Pattison saidThe abuse one has endured here at RJ, because I'm not a sheep, and will not follow, or comply. I stand on my own as an individual and stand out for it, and people wish me dead, or that I will go away, so they insight hate and bully me, in a hope that I will, act like a gay magician and go poof and disappear, all this from the left wing homosexual movment. Acceptance we demand, accepting we are not!

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    We bully you?

    I was not under the impression that asking One detailed questions about his positions on moral issues was unaccepting in the context of a political debate... especially when One says something outrageous. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways!!

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    Jan 28, 2009 4:26 AM GMT
    I have met very few people on RJ who could reasonably be described as "left-wing". The vast majority are centrists, some are to the right.

    Would that there were more!
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    Jan 28, 2009 5:16 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidI have met very few people on RJ who could reasonably be described as "left-wing". The vast majority are centrists, some are to the right.

    Would that there were more!


    As I'm sure you realize, the term left wing is commonly used to describe people who are slightly to the right of center. Sometimes it's used to describe people who are aren't even that. I'm always amazed when I hear about the left-leaning Supreme Court. Seven of the nine justices were appointed by Republican presidents. How left can the court be?

    Pattison, I'm relatively new here. Can you point me to threads in which what you complain of has happened?
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    Jan 28, 2009 5:24 AM GMT
    styrgan said
    Pattison saidThe abuse one has endured here at RJ, because I'm not a sheep, and will not follow, or comply. I stand on my own as an individual and stand out for it, and people wish me dead, or that I will go away, so they insight hate and bully me, in a hope that I will, act like a gay magician and go poof and disappear, all this from the left wing homosexual movment. Acceptance we demand, accepting we are not!

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    We bully you?

    I was not under the impression that asking One detailed questions about his positions on moral issues was unaccepting in the context of a political debate... especially when One says something outrageous. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways!!


    I bully him given the chance... I do so because he is close minded and selfish, he chooses not to accept people and develop a togetherness but wishes to segregate and make it known that he is somehow above other people... he also being here represents australia and he gives us a bad image because he and his like are so very very few, whilst more open minded and accepting people out number him and his like by a huge margin...

    I find his views sickening and unaustralian and I can barely tolerate seeing his name in threads...

    So yeah, I bull him...
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    Jan 28, 2009 5:25 AM GMT
    I think Pattison's choice of the terms left and right wing obfuscated the idea he was trying to get across. I interpret his post dealing not so much with political parties but with the idea that the gay community is as closed minded and intolerant as extreme conservatives.
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    Jan 28, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
    Okay, I'm what you call a "log cabin republican". I look at this way my sexual identity has ZERO to do if want some people in Washington DC to tax anything and everything.
    I really wish the Democrats would stay out of my pockets and Republicans out of my bedroom.
    If I hear one more time "the bible says" I might just go even more insane. The bible condones treatment and actions we would never allow today. Oppression of women and slavery were common practices.
    And far as the left goes. Who was it the signed "don't ask don't tell"? Bill Clinton.
    The solution is so simple if a private church doesn't want to marry gay people. Fine, but the government should issue marriage licenses to 2 consenting adults. Let's not forget that it was illegal in the US for a black person to marry a white person at one time. The government has NO role in saying what "true" love is. Well unless it involves live chickens or something icon_lol.gif
    Gay people should have the right to marry and be miserable like anyone else!!


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    Jan 28, 2009 5:36 AM GMT
    There are always folks on the fringes that draw the ire of many.

    Rainbow fairies and Mormon compounds are both out there on the edge.

    Subcultures are like that.
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    Jan 28, 2009 5:47 AM GMT
    soulman71901 saidOkay, I'm what you call a "log cabin republican". I look at this way my sexual identity has ZERO to do if want some people in Washington DC to tax anything and everything.
    I really wish the Democrats would stay out of my pockets and Republicans out of my bedroom.
    If I hear one more time "the bible says" I might just go even more insane. The bible condones treatment and actions we would never allow today. Oppression of women and slavery were common practices.
    And far as the left goes. Who was it the signed "don't ask don't tell"? Bill Clinton.
    The solution is so simple if a private church doesn't want to marry gay people. Fine, but the government should issue marriage licenses to 2 consenting adults. Let's not forget that it was illegal in the US for a black person to marry a white person at one time. The government has NO role in saying what "true" love is. Well unless it involves live chickens or something icon_lol.gif
    Gay people should have the right to marry and be miserable like anyone else!!





    Arggg... well first off, Welcome to RJ! Sorry your first post had to be on a contriversal topic here.

    Note that republicans can tax the public just as much as democracts. And taxes are needed... but sometimes they get out of hand. I worry about those who put too much emphasis on cutting taxes.

    Think about how much money we have spent on running two wars all these years though. And for what? What Bush does not understand and nor McCain it seems... the Middle East will not find peace through military action alone. We are not safer today than were were before 9/11 because our way of making peace has been with guns and bullets. That is an impossible to wage peace in such a region.

    Furthermore, from what I understand, and i may be wrong, Clinton WANTED to allow gays to serve openly in the military. Yet he would have been overrided by a Republican controlled Congress. So he did the next best thing... DADT. Moreover, let's not look in the distant past. Who is calling for the end now? a republican president or a democractic president?

    I am an independent--I have voted for both parties before. I could never allow myself to be a log cabin... I could never support that party. I'd rather be a centrist, moderate, liberitarian, independent than be called a republican.

    "A gay voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."
    --A Maine Civil Rights Leader
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    Jan 28, 2009 5:59 AM GMT
    By nature, I'm a mediator and peace-seeker, but I'm more cemented in the principles of justice, respect and basic human dignity.
    Historically, any time a powerful majority seeks to oppress the basic human rights of a definitively weaker minority, the natural and appropriate response is resistance. The wider the disparity in power, or the more extreme the oppression, the more hostile and aggressive the minority must be to survive.
    Are some gay men (on this site and elsewhere) unnecessarily hateful in their resistance? I sometimes think so. But is the Christian movement to suppress gay rights a cause with any legitimate, reasonable or modern justification? No. My issue with your post, Pattison, is that there IS a right side of the argument at hand. To vilify the oppressed for fighting back is an error. You may question the methods of some, but in my experience there are a rare few who would justify the query.

    Keep in mind that you're on a site pumped with testosterone and you'll likely get some impassioned views. But take those with the same grain of salt that you take the fake photos, exaggerated profiles and flame wars.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:07 AM GMT
    hafakasi said
    But take those with the same grain of salt that you take the fake photos, exaggerated profiles and flame wars.


    But the flame wars are sooo much fun!!!!

    Tanker is right though. We don't give Pattison shit because we disagree with him. We give him shit because he comes on and gets all arrogant.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:10 AM GMT
    styrgan saidThank you for showing me the error of my ways!!
    Finally someone else has shown you that way! Damn, and I thought I was the ONLY one pointing to your errors!!! LOL
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:10 AM GMT
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    hafakasi said
    But take those with the same grain of salt that you take the fake photos, exaggerated profiles and flame wars.


    But the flame wars are sooo much fun!!!!


    Yes. In THAT case, the salt is for the popcorn. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:12 AM GMT
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    styrgan saidThank you for showing me the error of my ways!!
    Finally someone else has shown you that way! Damn, and I thought I was the ONLY one pointing to your errors!!! LOL


    I was being sarcastic, you handsome twat.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:18 AM GMT
    And Don, you're lucky I never got a chance to reply to you on the Portland sex scandal thread. I was going to unleash myself on you.

    Unfortunately, I got really distracted by a shiny new quarter.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:19 AM GMT
    styrgan saidI was being sarcastic, you handsome twat.
    Oh the true you comes out now! Damn you're leaning so far towards that left side right now!
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:26 AM GMT
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    styrgan saidI was being sarcastic, you handsome twat.
    Oh the true you comes out now! Damn you're leaning so far towards that left side right now!


    We're taking this private. So all of RJ doesn't have to witness our exchange of abusive language.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:37 AM GMT
    styrgan said
    hafakasi said
    But take those with the same grain of salt that you take the fake photos, exaggerated profiles and flame wars.


    But the flame wars are sooo much fun!!!!

    Tanker is right though. We don't give Pattison shit because we disagree with him. We give him shit because he comes on and gets all arrogant.


    I'm still trying to figure out why Pattison refers to himself in the third person, i.e., 'One', and why he frequently capitalizes other pronouns, i.e., 'They.'

    Otherwise, there is a grain of truth, here. The gay community, like any other collection of human beings with a common cause, is susceptible to group think. The same can be said of the religious. Just look at what New Life Church did to Ted Haggard. Yeah, the guy's kind of a flake (I've actually been to that church, or maybe 'campus' is a better word), but as the documentary film maker said last night on AC360, Haggard built a church on the premise of love and forgiveness. However, when that very church learned of his homosexual pandering, there was anything but forgiveness. They completely ostracized him, and the guy and his family wound up wandering the country for months until, virtually homeless, someone finally gave him a job selling insurance. So, the gays don't want him but neither do the pious pew. That sucks. I'd bet that virtually no one in the gay community ever offered him a helping hand.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:50 AM GMT
    ruck_us saidJust look at what New Life Church did to Ted Haggard. Yeah, the guy's kind of a flake (I've actually been to that church, or maybe 'campus' is a better word), but as the documentary film maker said last night on AC360, Haggard built a church on the premise of love and forgiveness. However, when that very church learned of his homosexual pandering, there was anything but forgiveness.


    We reap what we sow.

    There are many people who would be glad to accept people like Ted Haggard into our community. People reject him because he continues to reject us. Last I heard from him, he was arguing that his evil lust for other men was rooted in sexual abuse as a child.

    Has he made any admission at all that he accepts himself as a gay man? Has he asked anyone for help in coming to accept himself? Is he prepared to acknolwedge that the sexual freedom inherent to our lifestyle is not evil or sinful, but a natural expression of human love?

    You should take a look at what "love" and "forgiveness" mean to people like Ted Haggard and the New Life Church. I would argue that there's a certain justice and irony in how his life turned out.
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    Jan 28, 2009 7:07 AM GMT
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    Otherwise, there is a grain of truth, here. The gay community, like any other collection of human beings with a common cause, is susceptible to group think. The same can be said of the religious. Just look at what New Life Church did to Ted Haggard. Yeah, the guy's kind of a flake (I've actually been to that church, or maybe 'campus' is a better word), but as the documentary film maker said last night on AC360, Haggard built a church on the premise of love and forgiveness. However, when that very church learned of his homosexual pandering, there was anything but forgiveness. They completely ostracized him, and the guy and his family wound up wandering the country for months until, virtually homeless, someone finally gave him a job selling insurance. So, the gays don't want him but neither do the pious pew. That sucks. I'd bet that virtually no one in the gay community ever offered him a helping hand.


    I'm under the impression that he always denied he was gay, though he eventually admitted to having had some sort of sexual relations with Mike Jones. And then he claimed (or allowed others to claim for him) that he'd been cured of his homosexual inclinations.

    It would be hard for the gay community to embrace him under the circumstances.

    I'm seeing online that there now seems to be little question that Haggard also had a sexual relationship with a young male volunteer at the New Life Church.

    I agree that the gay community, like any other, can be susceptible to group think. Nonetheless, it's never monolithic, though it may appear that way to some. There's always some people who will disagree with what the majority believes.

    For example, for those who followed the recent Scott Eckern story, I know I'm not the only gay person who felt that the calls for a boycott of the theatre company of which he was artistic director were premature, that the whole situation got out of hand, and that his resignation was probably a regrettable outcome.

    But you might not think that from reading about it online.
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    Jan 28, 2009 8:14 PM GMT
    ruck_us said Just look at what New Life Church did to Ted Haggard. Yeah, the guy's kind of a flake (I've actually been to that church, or maybe 'campus' is a better word), but as the documentary film maker said last night on AC360, Haggard built a church on the premise of love and forgiveness. However, when that very church learned of his homosexual pandering, there was anything but forgiveness. They completely ostracized him, and the guy and his family wound up wandering the country for months until, virtually homeless, someone finally gave him a job selling insurance. So, the gays don't want him but neither do the pious pew. That sucks. I'd bet that virtually no one in the gay community ever offered him a helping hand.


    Ted has never embraced us or admitted to being one of us. In fact, after a whopping three weeks of counseling, he proclaimed that he was cured of his urges and now "completely heterosexual". His actions legitimize to his community that anti-gay therapy is effective and that homosexuality is not something innate but a disease to be cured.

    History if full of moments where we wonder how things would have been different had someone made a better decision. Might the Evangelical community have begun moving on from being anti-gay hate camps if Haggard had admitted his sexuality with dignity rather than perpetuating the myth of gay mental illness?