Patti Lupone or Bette Midler?

  • Svnw688

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    Jun 12, 2015 9:33 PM GMT
    *DISCLAIMER: There is no objectively correct answer, it's a matter of taste.

    Who did "Rose's Turn" (from Gypsy) better, the Broadway legend Bette Midler or the Broadway legend Patti Lupone? (Please don't judge the technical quality of the videos, which is poor).

    Lupone: Singing starts at 1:55
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    Jun 12, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    Yikes, they are so different.

    Lupone's is much more serious to begin with. The costume is much more subdued. The emotions are more bare.

    Midler is, well, Midler! She's brash and ballsy! The costume is period glitz. But then you feel the angst and regret.

    I'd of loved to see both.
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 12, 2015 11:00 PM GMT
    I tend to agree with what's been said--and yes, they took it in totally different directions. I respond more to the rawer, more emotional performance of Patti. icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 12, 2015 11:04 PM GMT
    Bette!
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    Jun 12, 2015 11:19 PM GMT
    Bette !
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    Jun 13, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    Bette Midler did sing live on the set of "Gypsy", so vocally she didn't have much of an advantage on Patti Lupone.

    Both of them did a fine job, but to be honest, Angela Lansbury really eclipses both of them in terms of delivery. The footage is limited, but she delivered a powerful performance when she did it on Broadway.
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    Jun 13, 2015 1:14 AM GMT
    As much as I love Patti, Bette, Bernadette and Angela L.
    For me, this will always be my all time favorite version!


    And my favorite scene that leads up to it...
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    Jun 13, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidAs much as I love Patti, Bette, Bernadette and Angela L.
    For me, this will always be my all time favorite version!


    I must agree. All great performers (along with Ethel Merman you didn't mention), but Patti & Bette here show off their better voices.

    But the character of "Rose" doesn't have a great voice, and that's her tragedy. If she had a great voice she'd be the star on stage. Why she lives vicariously through her more talented daughters, the ultimate stage mother.

    Russell's voice isn't bad, but she was never known as a great singer. And here she let's herself go hoarse at times. Allowing her to demonstrate great emotions, her character's frustration at personal inadequacy & failure, against her secret stage ambitions.

    She nurtured the success of her daughters, but now she also resents it, and is jealous. A very powerful scene. that I think Russell acted the best of all of them. With the unique flamboyance that was Rosalind Russell, and the character Rose.
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    Jun 13, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    Only the first half of the song was sung Russell, the rest was dubbed by Lisa Kirk, a Broadway actress. I am really super gay for knowing all that, lol.
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    Jun 13, 2015 2:25 AM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidOnly the first half of the song was sung Russell, the rest was dubbed by Lisa Kirk, a Broadway actress. I am really super gay for knowing all that, lol.

    I actually had heard that, but wasn't sure. If so, I suppose the Producer and Director wanted a strong vocal number at the end of the performance, an audience-pleaser.

    But I like Russell's hoarser voice better, because that illustrates why Rose wasn't ever a star. And highlights the illusions she has about herself. Instead of the big Broadway showstopper that Ethel Merman did, there's more pathos here, of a woman sustained by her false dreams.
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    Jun 13, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
    Rose definitely doesn't have to have a great voice, as the character is more about the acting than the singing. Tyne Daly probably delivered the roughest, most down to earth version of Rose.

  • venue35

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    Jun 13, 2015 2:07 PM GMT
    Did Bette Midler sing to gays in bath houses while they were giving each other blowjobs???
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 13, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidAs much as I love Patti, Bette, Bernadette and Angela L.
    For me, this will always be my all time favorite version!


    And my favorite scene that leads up to it...


    Thanks for this version TheGuyNextDoor, and the info Art_Deco and James_Thunder!

    This is a great version.

    @Venue35....Bette singing Gypsy in the bathhouses during bjs? She's fierce, I wouldn't put it past her icon_cool.gif
  • davfit

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    Jun 13, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    Hands down Bette Midler..Patti to Angry
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    Jun 13, 2015 5:32 PM GMT
    venue35 saidDid Bette Midler sing to gays in bath houses while they were giving each other blowjobs???


    After the YouTube Rose video is the 1971 Continental Baths performance. It's long, grainy as hell, but it's real! Two years later at 17 I was in the Village. And I heard Bette's album "The Divine Miss M" for the first time.

    By 1974 she was at the Tony Awards.
    That's a meteoric rise!

    In another video she talks about here days at the Baths and Gay Marriage to Larry King.



    She's so incredible!
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    Jun 15, 2015 8:10 AM GMT
    Neither is among my favorite performances of the number.
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    Jun 15, 2015 2:18 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    venue35 saidDid Bette Midler sing to gays in bath houses while they were giving each other blowjobs???


    After the YouTube Rose video is the 1971 Continental Baths performance. It's long, grainy as hell, but it's real! Two years later at 17 I was in the Village. And I heard Bette's album "The Divine Miss M" for the first time.

    By 1974 she was at the Tony Awards.
    That's a meteoric rise!

    In another video she talks about here days at the Baths and Gay Marriage to Larry King.



    She's so incredible!


    I love her. Incredible does not do her justice! =)
  • venue35

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    Jun 18, 2015 11:10 AM GMT
    Let's not forget 2 time oscar nomineeicon_cool.gif