Ambien car crash risk similar to drunk driving

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    Jun 15, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    http://www.everydayhealth.com/news/car-crash-risk-doubles-new-users-sleeping-pills/
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    Jun 15, 2015 7:47 PM GMT
    So is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 15, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidSo is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif


    If it gets left lanes hogs OUT of the left lane when you're trying to pass then I guess I'm all for it.
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    Jun 15, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidSo is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif


    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/
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    Jun 16, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidSo is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif


    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/
    I'd say that's a good reason to develop self-driving wheelchairs. icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 16, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
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    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/

    The headline is imprecise. A scooter can be a Vespa-like vehicle, and perfectly road legal. But she had one of those electric chairs or carts so popular with the elderly. Even my late Mother had one.

    I don't know what the Florida law is, but we get them here out on local roads. They can only go about 3 mph, have no lights or signals, and are hard to see if your car is doing the legal speed limit. I think they should be banned from public roads.

    I'm sorry to be unsympathetic, but they are a hazard to the public, not merely to the individual riders. Those chairs are meant for home use, and in stores & shopping malls, and on local sidewalks, NOT on the pavement.

    If they gotta get somewhere then call a cab, or in some communities they have transport services, free or at low cost, that will take the cart along, too. Don't mean to sound cruel, but when you get to that point in your life, you begin to lose your options. Don't endanger ME because you don't wanna face reality.

    Same goes for age or illness-impaired drivers who refuse to give up their car and driver's license. They're the ones you read about weekly who plow into storefronts, and mow down pedestrians on sidewalks. The day comes when it's simply time to hang up the keys. I wish States were more forceful about imposing that.
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    Jun 16, 2015 12:32 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    freedomisntfree said
    paulflexes saidSo is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif


    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/
    I'd say that's a good reason to develop self-driving wheelchairs. icon_lol.gif


    She thought it was.
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    Jun 16, 2015 3:08 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/

    The headline is imprecise. A scooter can be a Vespa-like vehicle, and perfectly road legal. But she had one of those electric chairs or carts so popular with the elderly. Even my late Mother had one.

    I don't know what the Florida law is, but we get them here out on local roads. They can only go about 3 mph, have no lights or signals, and are hard to see if your car is doing the legal speed limit. I think they should be banned from public roads.

    I'm sorry to be unsympathetic, but they are a hazard to the public, not merely to the individual riders. Those chairs are meant for home use, and in stores & shopping malls, and on local sidewalks, NOT on the pavement.

    If they gotta get somewhere then call a cab, or in some communities they have transport services, free or at low cost, that will take the cart along, too. Don't mean to sound cruel, but when you get to that point in your life, you begin to lose your options. Don't endanger ME because you don't wanna face reality.

    Same goes for age or illness-impaired drivers who refuse to give up their car and driver's license. They're the ones you read about weekly who plow into storefronts, and mow down pedestrians on sidewalks. The day comes when it's simply time to hang up the keys. I wish States were more forceful about imposing that.


    I think I told this one before so you might remember that I missed the Santa Monica Farmers' market slaughter by just long enough to get into the elevator at 1299 Ocean Park and by the time I got off on my floor, everyone was running over to the window to see what happened. What was it, 11 killed and 60+ injured?

    I had just walked down through the middle of the market prior to going in the building because I parked in one of the city garages on 2nd.

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    Jun 16, 2015 3:49 AM GMT
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    paulflexes said
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    paulflexes saidSo is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif


    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/
    I'd say that's a good reason to develop self-driving wheelchairs. icon_lol.gif


    She thought it was.
    I actually posted that as semi-serious. It would be cool if wheelchairs could drive themselves, with a "return to home" (RTF) feature similar to that of my drone and many others. In fact I had to use that feature last week when it got lost way up above the redwoods. icon_lol.gif (turned off the remote and it came back into sight, then turned on the remote and safely landed it)

    When I get old and unable to safely navigate, that feature would be awesome to have in a wheelchair.
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    Jun 16, 2015 5:42 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    freedomisntfree said
    paulflexes said
    freedomisntfree said
    paulflexes saidSo is texting while driving, or reading billboard ads while driving on congested roads, or screaming at kids in the backseat (witnessed a near-crash yesterday because of that), or getting a bj while driving.

    Basically that's just more proof that self-driving cars are needed. icon_wink.gif


    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/
    I'd say that's a good reason to develop self-driving wheelchairs. icon_lol.gif


    She thought it was.
    I actually posted that as semi-serious. It would be cool if wheelchairs could drive themselves, with a "return to home" (RTF) feature similar to that of my drone and many others. In fact I had to use that feature last week when it got lost way up above the redwoods. icon_lol.gif (turned off the remote and it came back into sight, then turned on the remote and safely landed it)

    When I get old and unable to safely navigate, that feature would be awesome to have in a wheelchair.


    I hope they get this technology honed in pretty closely in the next ten to fifteen years. I have a hunch that I may need it given the family history of severe dementia as a result of Alzheimer's. I saw things I never wanted to see.

    Parents' internal mapping functions were still there to a great extent, but that was about it.

    I don't how we'd do it with something like a senior cart or scooter when they get to the point that they can't even dial a phone number anymore. How would they program this device to know where to go and when to come back? Interesting stuff though.

    And as much as I enjoy driving (aside from left lane hogs) when I get to the point that I can no longer safely drive, this would be wonderful to still give me my mobility.
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    Jun 16, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/

    The headline is imprecise. A scooter can be a Vespa-like vehicle, and perfectly road legal. But she had one of those electric chairs or carts so popular with the elderly. Even my late Mother had one.

    I don't know what the Florida law is, but we get them here out on local roads. They can only go about 3 mph, have no lights or signals, and are hard to see if your car is doing the legal speed limit. I think they should be banned from public roads.

    I'm sorry to be unsympathetic, but they are a hazard to the public, not merely to the individual riders. Those chairs are meant for home use, and in stores & shopping malls, and on local sidewalks, NOT on the pavement.

    If they gotta get somewhere then call a cab, or in some communities they have transport services, free or at low cost, that will take the cart along, too. Don't mean to sound cruel, but when you get to that point in your life, you begin to lose your options. Don't endanger ME because you don't wanna face reality.

    Same goes for age or illness-impaired drivers who refuse to give up their car and driver's license. They're the ones you read about weekly who plow into storefronts, and mow down pedestrians on sidewalks. The day comes when it's simply time to hang up the keys. I wish States were more forceful about imposing that.


    It is not only elderly people who have that type of accident.

    What often happens is that they confuse the accelerator and brake pedals. With a manual transmission that is usually much less serious because in those very low speed maneuvers, the driver will be likely to have his foot on the clutch thereby limiting the available power. Moreover, if the driver does have a foot on the clutch, he is much less likely to confuse the accelerator and brake pedals. With an automatic transmission, hitting the accelerator instead of the brake pedal will result in maximum power.

    Years ago Audis were suspected of having some sort of problem that led to unintended acceleration. Careful studying showed that the problem was not with the car; the drivers were hitting the accelerator instead of the brake. Also, the problem never occurred with manual transmissions.

    There are no statistics available to determine whether or not automatic transmissions are more dangerous than manual transmissions. The forms used to gather information after an accident do not solicit that information; of course they should. But it does appear that manual transmissions may be safer.
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    Jun 17, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    But here's a really good reason

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/06/15/elderly-woman-on-scooter-was-escorted-home-by-trooper/21196089/

    The headline is imprecise. A scooter can be a Vespa-like vehicle, and perfectly road legal. But she had one of those electric chairs or carts so popular with the elderly. Even my late Mother had one.

    I don't know what the Florida law is, but we get them here out on local roads. They can only go about 3 mph, have no lights or signals, and are hard to see if your car is doing the legal speed limit. I think they should be banned from public roads.

    I'm sorry to be unsympathetic, but they are a hazard to the public, not merely to the individual riders. Those chairs are meant for home use, and in stores & shopping malls, and on local sidewalks, NOT on the pavement.

    If they gotta get somewhere then call a cab, or in some communities they have transport services, free or at low cost, that will take the cart along, too. Don't mean to sound cruel, but when you get to that point in your life, you begin to lose your options. Don't endanger ME because you don't wanna face reality.

    Same goes for age or illness-impaired drivers who refuse to give up their car and driver's license. They're the ones you read about weekly who plow into storefronts, and mow down pedestrians on sidewalks. The day comes when it's simply time to hang up the keys. I wish States were more forceful about imposing that.


    It is not only elderly people who have that type of accident.

    What often happens is that they confuse the accelerator and brake pedals. With a manual transmission that is usually much less serious because in those very low speed maneuvers, the driver will be likely to have his foot on the clutch thereby limiting the available power. Moreover, if the driver does have a foot on the clutch, he is much less likely to confuse the accelerator and brake pedals. With an automatic transmission, hitting the accelerator instead of the brake pedal will result in maximum power.

    Years ago Audis were suspected of having some sort of problem that led to unintended acceleration. Careful studying showed that the problem was not with the car; the drivers were hitting the accelerator instead of the brake. Also, the problem never occurred with manual transmissions.

    There are no statistics available to determine whether or not automatic transmissions are more dangerous than manual transmissions. The forms used to gather information after an accident do not solicit that information; of course they should. But it does appear that manual transmissions may be safer.
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