Well, I might actually vote for Trump

  • tj85016

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    Jun 16, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
    I really liked his speech

    And I'm soooo sick and tired of dumb, worthless sellout assholes like John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Hilary Clinton, Marco Rubio, Nancy Pelosi, et al

    Trump is actually right and we all know it (e.g. screw China, screw Mexico and screw all these do-nothing politicians)

    and now CNN and MSNBC is trying to destroy his message, but these asshole, know-nothing morons on TV are no better than the morons in Washington

    so let the criticism fly
  • Destinharbor

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    Jun 16, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
    Sounds tea party. You need to settle for better, not perfect. And certainly not scorched earth. Obama started with the right instincts but got lost in the cesspool of Washington. Think in terms of who can actually put incremental improvements into law. Or at least policy.
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:08 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidSounds tea party. You need to settle for better, not perfect. And certainly not scorched earth. Obama started with the right instincts but got lost in the cesspool of Washington. Think in terms of who can actually put incremental improvements into law. Or at least policy.


    well I'm sort of Tea Party (the original incarnation at least) with very liberal social beliefs

    I've watched this country being sold down the drain since the 70's and I'm tired of it
  • Destinharbor

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    Jun 16, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
    The movement to restore the middle class is starting. May be the most important political shift in policy since Nixon. Support that.
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    My believe is 99% of politicians are crooks , so Trump might fit right into those 99% icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    well I'm sort of Tea Party (the original incarnation at least) with very liberal social beliefs

    There never was an "original incarnation" of the Tea Party as you suppose. It was a cynical creation conceived and funded by the Koch Brothers, meant to appear like a spontaneous grassroots movement. Intended to further their corporate goals, under the guise of relief for the middle class.

    The best revolution for the wealthy is the one where the oligarchs get the peasants to fight and die for them. All the while the peasants believing they're advancing their own interests, and not the interests of those who are actually pulling the strings. Well done, Koch Brothers! In that you succeeded brilliantly.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 16, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidThe movement to restore the middle class is starting. May be the most important political shift in policy since Nixon. Support that.


    oh really, in what regard or on what front? the fake stock market rally or the proliferation of new (mostly shitty) jobs or the escalating healthcare costs?
  • Destinharbor

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    Jun 16, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
    Read Robert Reich. He's the guy who first raised the flag of income/ownership imbalance and why it's bad. Looks at earlier more productive periods and why they worked.
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:24 PM GMT
    Trump looks for publicity and that is what this is about. His name will not be on the ballot by the time the primary rolls around.
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidRead Robert Reich. He's the guy who first raised the flag of income/ownership imbalance and why it's bad. Looks at earlier more productive periods and why they worked.


    yeah Clinton/Cuomo/Bush tried to create an "ownership" incentive by corrupting the entire banking system - another gigantic failure that set the country back 15 years
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    But he's not gay-friendly. And I'm not even referring to his hair.
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:54 PM GMT
    tj85016 said... Trump is actually right and we all know it (e.g. screw China, screw Mexico and screw all these do-nothing politicians)
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    so let the criticism fly
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    Jun 16, 2015 4:59 PM GMT


    But his net worth is $8 billion. We know because he held up a piece of paper.

    I'm intrigued by this "giant wall" that he'll build along the border with Mexico. He'll "do it really cheap and then make Mexico pay for it." Brilliant. That's statesmanship. He'll also fix the dirty tiles at LaGuardia Airport. Luckily, the airport employs plenty of Mexicans so that's another cheap project to check off his to-do list.

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    Jun 16, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Destinharbor saidSounds tea party. You need to settle for better, not perfect. And certainly not scorched earth. Obama started with the right instincts but got lost in the cesspool of Washington. Think in terms of who can actually put incremental improvements into law. Or at least policy.


    well I'm sort of Tea Party (the original incarnation at least) with very liberal social beliefs

    I've watched this country being sold down the drain since the 70's and I'm tired of it


    If you want to hear Tea Party make some sense, and you have XM, take a listen to this guy

    http://davidwebbshow.com/ I think you might like what you hear.

    "Active in politics on the local and national level, David co-founded TeaParty365 in New York City, a non-partisan, non-profit advocacy group for fiscal responsibility. He is the spokesman for the National Tea Party Federation. He is on the board of the Young Marines Youth Organization, Wounded Warriors Family Support and Center for American Racial Equality. He is a founder of and Chairman of the Advisory Board of Reclaim New York, a non-partisan, 501(c)3 non-profit organization focusing on civic education and citizen activation on issues of affordability, jobs and economy, education and government accountability."
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    Jun 16, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI really liked his speech

    And I'm soooo sick and tired of dumb, worthless sellout assholes like John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Hilary Clinton, Marco Rubio, Nancy Pelosi, et al

    Trump is actually right and we all know it (e.g. screw China, screw Mexico and screw all these do-nothing politicians)

    and now CNN and MSNBC is trying to destroy his message, but these asshole, know-nothing morons on TV are no better than the morons in Washington

    so let the criticism fly


    He reminds me a bit of Ross Perot
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    Jun 16, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
    I'm so tired of the two party system...honestly it gets us nowhere
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    Jun 16, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
    shybottom20 saidI'm so tired of the two party system...honestly it gets us nowhere


    eh, it keeps the corrupt corporate media better able to control the message
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    Jun 16, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    shybottom20 saidI'm so tired of the two party system...honestly it gets us nowhere


    eh, it keeps the corrupt corporate media better able to control the message


    I have another word about the media... but that's on another day haha
  • Destinharbor

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    Jun 16, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Destinharbor saidRead Robert Reich. He's the guy who first raised the flag of income/ownership imbalance and why it's bad. Looks at earlier more productive periods and why they worked.


    yeah Clinton/Cuomo/Bush tried to create an "ownership" incentive by corrupting the entire banking system - another gigantic failure that set the country back 15 years


    No, it was the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, passed by Republicans and signed by Clinton. I was a banker at the time and while I felt uneasy about it, I had to admit the big Euro and Asian banks were eating our lunch because they had no such division. In hindsight, there must have been a better way. The "ownership" thing was really simple. Statistically speaking, people paid their mortgage before they paid any other bill so the failure rate on bundled mortgages and funded by bonds (with SWAPed interest stabilization) looked like a safe investment. Until the originating banks and mortgage companies started creating bad paper and the rating agencies conspired to hide the trash. The politicians were complicit only to the extent of relaxing regulatory oversight. But that was a philosophical mistake, not intent.
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    tj85016 said
    Destinharbor saidRead Robert Reich. He's the guy who first raised the flag of income/ownership imbalance and why it's bad. Looks at earlier more productive periods and why they worked.


    yeah Clinton/Cuomo/Bush tried to create an "ownership" incentive by corrupting the entire banking system - another gigantic failure that set the country back 15 years


    No, it was the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, passed by Republicans and signed by Clinton. I was a banker at the time and while I felt uneasy about it, I had to admit the big Euro and Asian banks were eating our lunch because they had no such division. In hindsight, there must have been a better way. The "ownership" thing was really simple. Statistically speaking, people paid their mortgage before they paid any other bill so the failure rate on bundled mortgages and funded by bonds (with SWAPed interest stabilization) looked like a safe investment. Until the originating banks and mortgage companies started creating bad paper and the rating agencies conspired to hide the trash. The politicians were complicit only to the extent of relaxing regulatory oversight. But that was a philosophical mistake, not intent.


    "passed by Republicans and signed by Clinton"

    Not quite the entire truth. The bill had wide bipartisan support.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/05/business/congress-passes-wide-ranging-bill-easing-bank-laws.html

    "The measure, considered by many the most important banking legislation in 66 years, was approved in the Senate by a vote of 90 to 8 and in the House tonight by 362 to 57. The bill will now be sent to the president, who is expected to sign it, aides said. It would become one of the most significant achievements this year by the White House and the Republicans leading the 106th Congress."
  • Webster666

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    Jun 17, 2015 7:16 AM GMT
    Ha !
    Trump is a bully and a buffoon.
    He didn't waste any time losing the Asian vote and the Latino vote. Black people won't vote for him anyway. So, that leaves angry old white men.
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    Jun 17, 2015 9:57 AM GMT
    Looking at him in a non-attractive way Trump is hott! whenever president does this mean the US will have a stronger economy? hey Hillary is the best in the biz of politics she's America's official political princess! princess-of-state. LOL@money doesn't buy happiness
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    Jun 17, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    It's what he say's that RINGS TRUE!!!!

    Why oh WHY will nobody every listen and MAKE A REAL CHANGE!!

    8 years of LIES< ZERO HOPE and Progression!!!


    CHANGE!! He could do it!
  • venue35

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    Jun 17, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
    If he gave 4 billion to the poor i'd vote for Him in a heartbeat
  • venue35

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    Jun 17, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
    Where do you get this information from?????