As HIV Rates Soared in GOP States, GOP Eases Opposition

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    Jun 17, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
    NYT: The shift is a result of a health crisis related to a rise in heroin use in many of their home states.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/us/house-republicans-ease-opposition-to-needle-exchanges.html?ref=health
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    Jun 17, 2015 3:04 PM GMT
    As usual, Liberals lie by omission. Heroine use has exploded in many liberal places including my own state of NJ due to first responders carrying Narcan.

    People feel that heroine is a safer drug to use now that cops are carrying Narcan. Cops should carry a body camera instead and a tazer.

    Stop the needle exchanges, stop the Narcan. If the addict refuses to be put in a drug treatment program (which Obamacare pays for), let them die.

    Liberals, you can't legislate self destructive behavior.
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    Jun 17, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    ^^^ In a strong field, this is one of the more ignorant comments you've posted.

    Needle exchanges spar hundreds of thousands of lives from chronic, terminal illnesses and save the government billions of dollars by preventing the care required to treat them. Decrease incidence --> decrease prevalence --> decrease care costs.

    I think you are also under the misapprehension that all drug users are scumbags that leech off of society. In many cases, the patients requiring a life-saving opioid antagonist (like Narcan) are those trying heroin for the first time and are unaware of the dosing - young people making stupid decisions. They should die for that?

    Addiction is a disease, like any other disease. They need treatment, not a death sentence.

    Perhaps leave public health and medical legislation up to those who have studied it.
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    Jun 17, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
    coloradojock16 said
    Addiction is a disease, like any other disease. They need treatment, not a death sentence.



    As was in the news earlier this week, addiction to most is the result of their "cage" or environment. Fix the cage and the addiction goes away.


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    Jun 17, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
    coloradojock16 said^^^ In a strong field, this is one of the more ignorant comments you've posted.

    Needle exchanges spar hundreds of thousands of lives from chronic, terminal illnesses and save the government billions of dollars by preventing the care required to treat them. Decrease incidence --> decrease prevalence --> decrease care costs.

    I think you are also under the misapprehension that all drug users are scumbags that leech off of society. In many cases, the patients requiring a life-saving opioid antagonist (like Narcan) are those trying heroin for the first time and are unaware of the dosing - young people making stupid decisions. They should die for that?

    Addiction is a disease, like any other disease. They need treatment, not a death sentence.

    Perhaps leave public health and medical legislation up to those who have studied it.


    Giving them needles doesn't get them into treatment. Using taxpayer dollars to support illegal activity promotes the illegal activity.

    Heroine addicts should be arrested for their illegal activity and sentenced to treatment.

    Young people need to do the "time" for the crime. The first time personal use of heroine is not a disease, its a choice. In this case, the "time" includes a risk of death.

    What about the people getting injured and killed by heroine addicts behavior as a result of their continuing government subsidized addiction?

    Severe allergic reactions are not a choice. Why don't cops carry Epipens?

    Cardiac Arrest in many cases is not a choice. Why don't cops carry a defibrillator and oxygen in their cars?

    What about the government subsidized unsafe sex practices of women using Obamacare contraceptives instead of condoms?
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    Jun 17, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
    coloradojock16 said^^^ In a strong field, this is one of the more ignorant comments you've posted.

    Needle exchanges spar hundreds of thousands of lives from chronic, terminal illnesses and save the government billions of dollars by preventing the care required to treat them. Decrease incidence --> decrease prevalence --> decrease care costs.

    I think you are also under the misapprehension that all drug users are scumbags that leech off of society. In many cases, the patients requiring a life-saving opioid antagonist (like Narcan) are those trying heroin for the first time and are unaware of the dosing - young people making stupid decisions. They should die for that?

    Addiction is a disease, like any other disease. They need treatment, not a death sentence.

    Perhaps leave public health and medical legislation up to those who have studied it.


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    Jun 17, 2015 9:36 PM GMT
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    coloradojock16 said^^^ In a strong field, this is one of the more ignorant comments you've posted.

    Needle exchanges spar hundreds of thousands of lives from chronic, terminal illnesses and save the government billions of dollars by preventing the care required to treat them. Decrease incidence --> decrease prevalence --> decrease care costs.

    I think you are also under the misapprehension that all drug users are scumbags that leech off of society. In many cases, the patients requiring a life-saving opioid antagonist (like Narcan) are those trying heroin for the first time and are unaware of the dosing - young people making stupid decisions. They should die for that?

    Addiction is a disease, like any other disease. They need treatment, not a death sentence.

    Perhaps leave public health and medical legislation up to those who have studied it.


    Giving them needles doesn't get them into treatment. Using taxpayer dollars to support illegal activity promotes the illegal activity.

    Heroine addicts should be arrested for their illegal activity and sentenced to treatment.

    Young people need to do the "time" for the crime. The first time personal use of heroine is not a disease, its a choice. In this case, the "time" includes a risk of death.

    What about the people getting injured and killed by heroine addicts behavior as a result of their continuing government subsidized addiction?

    Severe allergic reactions are not a choice. Why don't cops carry Epipens?

    Cardiac Arrest in many cases is not a choice. Why don't cops carry a defibrillator and oxygen in their cars?

    What about the government subsidized unsafe sex practices of women using Obamacare contraceptives instead of condoms?


    I am a bit appalled by your blatant ignorance. This is coming from someone who have many doctor friends who have seen many benefits to Needle Exchange Programs. All of them in Vancouver have seen first hand the impacts of shared needles on INNOCENT people. You might want to actually read studies of the last 15 years.

    My doctor friends volunteer their time to help in programs with addicts and have helped people kick their addiction with education and counseling. If you knew even a fraction of what they knew you wouldn't be spewing this garbage. The biggest issue for Needle Exchange Programs was shame. The saddest thing I heard, a family finding out their teen son is addicted to drugs and accessing NEPs. This leads them to forcing him to stop cold turkey by controlling their lives. That teen finding their fix elsewhere, lying to family and friend, and then contracting HIV and accidentally infecting his girlfriend. All because their family was ashamed of strangers discovering their sons addiction. Son ends up on the streets and turns to more self harm. Sounds like a freakin' drama doesn't it.

    Sentenced to treatment? You're complaining about the cost of buying needles and you want to find addicts and treat them... did you know part of the treatment process is weaning them off their drug? It still needs to be administered in a controlled environment.

    Needle sharing still contributes to a large proportion of new HIV cases. How much do you think every new case costs?

    A study of 81 cities around the world compared HIV infection rates among IDUs in cities that had NEPs with cities that did not have NEPs. In the 52 cities without NEPs, HIV infection rates increased by 5.9% per year on average. In the 29 cities with NEPs, HIV infection rates decreased by 5.8% per year. The study concluded that NEPs appear to lead to lower levels of HIV infection among IDUs. - See more at: http://caps.ucsf.edu/archives/factsheets/needle-exchange-programs-nep#sthash.zz1tbf51.dpuf.


    You mx5guynj are an asshole who has no idea how the world works. Your ignorance actually damages society when people buy into what you say. I want people to know you have nothing intelligent to add except to whine about your political affiliation.

    I pray that significantly smarter people that actually make the decisions don't suffer from the same delusions as you.
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    Jun 17, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
    Interesting reading this is for a number of reasons
    1. Assumption of direct blood to blood sharing acquisition of HIV in particular, I wonder how a population which is effectually a small majority within a small minority of heroin users
    2. Needle exchange programs are most effective when they work with their community stakeholders as opposed to a one size fits all approach .ie consultation with business, community leaders and people who are part of people within that community who would be most likely statistically to use Heroin.
    3. In Australia particully Sydney where I reside,their are needle exchange programs which have made a significant impact on Hep C and HIV rates of transmission
    4. What impact have these developments had on the campaign of HIV and AIDS Health Care Agencies and What they're response will be should evidence arise of Gay Man being responsible for active participation
    5. Rehabilitation services have very limited success rates with patience have attended greater tha one or two heaav

    I would add my suggestion, which would be to not dismiss the calls for a individual responsibility nor should we dismiss the harm minimization approach in isolation.

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    Jun 18, 2015 9:10 PM GMT
    Wonderboywill said
    You mx5guynj are an asshole who has no idea how the world works. Your ignorance actually damages society when people buy into what you say. I want people to know you have nothing intelligent to add except to whine about your political affiliation.

    I pray that significantly smarter people that actually make the decisions don't suffer from the same delusions as you.


    Amen.
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    Jun 19, 2015 1:16 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidAs usual, Liberals lie by omission. Heroine use has exploded in many liberal places including my own state of NJ due to first responders carrying Narcan.



    But the article is not about attitude changes in liberal states. The issue of rise in heroin use in states where elected officials have not been implacably opposed to needle-exchange programs is completely irrelevant to the subject of the article. The article was very specifically about elected officials who were formerly strongly opposed to needle-change programs changing their minds.

    No one is lying by omission.

    Heroine use is kind of sexist, isn't it?
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    Jun 19, 2015 2:26 AM GMT
    Clearly, most of you have not seen what happens when you give someone narcan...

    It is a life saving drug, that is used for any opiod overdose. Including grandma who took too many pain pills because she can't keep track of all her meds.