Twelve Presidential Candidates Respond To Charleston Church Shooting. Many Church Burnings Since Shooting.

  • metta

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    Jun 18, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Twelve Presidential Candidates Respond To Charleston Church Shooting


    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/06/18/3671332/president-hopefuls-respond-south-carolina-shooting/


    It looks like Trump is the only one that did not mention prayers...I find that refreshing. I don't think that prayers do anything to help the situation. I still would not vote for him though.

    Sanders is the only one to mention racism as a possible motive:

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  • metta

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    Jun 18, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
    Charleston Newspaper Puts Gun Ad Over Shooting Massacre Headline

    http://tktk.gawker.com/charleston-newspaper-puts-gun-ad-over-shooting-massacre-1712249260
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jun 18, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
    Does that surprise you? Gun sales go up after incidents like this, and the inevitable public dialog that ensues.
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    Jun 18, 2015 11:22 PM GMT
    With the shooter white and the victims black, racism could well be a factor or the factor driving a sick mind. But until the facts are known, it is premature to state any cause.

    Sanders did not just speculate that racism could have been a factor, which would have not been productive at this point. He actually, at least based on what was quoted here, stated it was a factor. That is completely irresponsible, but characteristic of the far left in this country who seek any opportunity to declare racism, sexism, et al, in an attempt to reinforce their grievance agenda and divide people.

    I did not agree with Sanders on his positions, but at least I thought he was an honorable person. Based on his comments, I don't see him as anything other than a far left scumbag.
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    Jun 18, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidWith the shooter white and the victims black, racism could well be a factor or the factor driving a sick mind. But until the facts are known, it is premature to state any cause.

    Sanders did not just speculate that racism could have been a factor, which would have not been productive at this point. He actually, at least based on what was quoted here, stated it was a factor. That is completely irresponsible, but characteristic of the far left in this country who seek any opportunity to declare racism, sexism, et al, in an attempt to reinforce their grievance agenda and divide people.

    I did not agree with Sanders on his positions, but at least I thought he was an honorable person. Based on his comments, I don't see him as anything other than a far left scumbag.

    He dons the flag of apartheid South Africa and has a rebel flag license plate. That's pretty damning evidence.
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    Jun 18, 2015 11:27 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidWith the shooter white and the victims black, racism could well be a factor or the factor driving a sick mind. But until the facts are known, it is premature to state any cause.

    Sanders did not just speculate that racism could have been a factor, which would have not been productive at this point. He actually, at least based on what was quoted here, stated it was a factor. That is completely irresponsible, but characteristic of the far left in this country who seek any opportunity to declare racism, sexism, et al, in an attempt to reinforce their grievance agenda and divide people.

    I did not agree with Sanders on his positions, but at least I thought he was an honorable person. Based on his comments, I don't see him as anything other than a far left scumbag.

    He dons the flag of apartheid South Africa and has a rebel flag license plate. That's pretty damning evidence.

    Not surprising. The question is if Sanders knew that at the time he made his comments. If he did, then I would withdraw my comment.
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    Jun 19, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    FOX News has been very careful to spare its' sensitive audience from any speculation on racism.

    FOX is presenting this as an "attack on Christianity".

    The fact that the murderer is a white supremacist and the victims were black doesn't seem to have registered with FOX viewers.
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    Jun 19, 2015 1:51 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidWith the shooter white and the victims black, racism could well be a factor or the factor driving a sick mind. But until the facts are known, it is premature to state any cause.

    Sanders did not just speculate that racism could have been a factor, which would have not been productive at this point. He actually, at least based on what was quoted here, stated it was a factor. That is completely irresponsible, but characteristic of the far left in this country who seek any opportunity to declare racism, sexism, et al, in an attempt to reinforce their grievance agenda and divide people.

    I did not agree with Sanders on his positions, but at least I thought he was an honorable person. Based on his comments, I don't see him as anything other than a far left scumbag.


    Sanders was for equal rights his whole political career. Certainly more than any other politician who were scumbags allowing gay people to die while not marrying or seeing their dead lovers die. Actions matter. Bernie Sanders devoted his life for people. I hope now you call out the Republican scumbags running who embrace the notion that these dead people could not marry.
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    Jun 19, 2015 1:54 AM GMT
    FitnessWorker saidFOX News has been very careful to spare its' sensitive audience from any speculation on racism.

    FOX is presenting this as an "attack on Christianity".

    The fact that the murderer is a white supremacist and the victims were black doesn't seem to have registered with FOX viewers.

    O'Reilly said as much so what you're saying is BS. Fox did not jump to conclusions until the evidence was demonstrated.
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    Jun 19, 2015 2:00 AM GMT
    FitnessWorker saidFOX News has been very careful to spare its' sensitive audience from any speculation on racism.

    FOX is presenting this as an "attack on Christianity".

    The fact that the murderer is a white supremacist and the victims were black doesn't seem to have registered with FOX viewers.



    After a full day of FOX's careful avoidance of all mention of racism, they allowed Bill O'Reilly to come out with what was too obvious to ignore.
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    Jun 19, 2015 4:20 AM GMT
    Mother Freaking Cheers to Bernie. He knew. We all knew it. I'm so sick of cautious politicians who are afraid to call a spade a spade. Unless you're mentally incapacitated, to think there was any other motive is futile. These people belong to other people, they are mothers, sisters, fathers, sons, Aunts, Uncles, grandparents, Pastors, Senators.

    Sweeping it under a rug or making poor excuses cannot be tolerated.

    Who in there right mind would drive over two hours to one of the most infamous churches, in one of the countries oldest city, kill 9 people of a different race, leaving one alive to "Tell everyone what happened", not consider this a hate crime?

    If this had happened in a gay club, we wouldn't think twice about the motive.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 19, 2015 4:25 AM GMT
    Ntyson saidMother Freaking Cheers to Bernie. He knew. We all knew it. I'm so sick of cautious politicians who are afraid to call a spade a spade. Unless you're mentally incapacitated, to think there was any other motive is futile. These people belong to other people, they are mothers, sisters, fathers, sons, Aunts, Uncles, grandparents, Pastors, Senators.

    Sweeping it under a rug or making poor excuses cannot be tolerated.

    Who in there right mind would drive over two hours to one of the most infamous churches, in one of the countries oldest city, kill 9 people of a different race, leaving one alive to "Tell everyone what happened", not consider this a hate crime?

    If this had happened in a gay club, we wouldn't think twice about the motive.


    +100 And to Jasonfest ^^^^^^
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    Jun 19, 2015 4:32 AM GMT
    Ntyson saidMother Freaking Cheers to Bernie. He knew. We all knew it. I'm so sick of cautious politicians who are afraid to call a spade a spade. Unless you're mentally incapacitated, to think there was any other motive is futile. These people belong to other people, they are mothers, sisters, fathers, sons, Aunts, Uncles, grandparents, Pastors, Senators.

    Sweeping it under a rug or making poor excuses cannot be tolerated.

    Who in there right mind would drive over two hours to one of the most infamous churches, in one of the countries oldest city, kill 9 people of a different race, leaving one alive to "Tell everyone what happened", not consider this a hate crime?

    If this had happened in a gay club, we wouldn't think twice about the motive.
    + 1billion (and maybe even a few more zeros).

    Dude made it obviously clear that it was a hate crime, and killed himself after the event to make sure he didn't end up in prison for it.
  • mar0302

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    Jun 19, 2015 4:57 AM GMT
    I'm amazed at American views on gun control..
    Deaths per 100,000 in the US - appx 10.6 (about 32,000 people for 300m pop)
    Deaths per 100,000 in the UK - appx 0.25 (about 150 total people for 60m pop)

    The normal police don't even carry guns here.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 19, 2015 5:12 AM GMT
    mar0302 saidI'm amazed at American views on gun control..
    Deaths per 100,000 in the US - appx 10.6 (about 32,000 people for 300m pop)
    Deaths per 100,000 in the UK - appx 0.25 (about 150 total people for 60m pop)

    The normal police don't even carry guns here.


    Yes, those figures are firearm-caused deaths, most of which are, of course, suicides, in both the U.S. and U.K. Those figures also include accidents. The homicide rates are as scary, though. And not that it's any comfort, but poor Honduras makes the rest of us, including the U.S., look almost unarmed, at around 89 HOMICIDE deaths per 100,000. (The page you're getting your info from notes the figure for Honduras is "incomplete" at 64-ish. And it is: very incomplete).
  • metta

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    Jun 19, 2015 5:37 AM GMT
    Black Americans Are Killed At 12 Times The Rate Of People In Other Developed Countries


    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/?ex_cid=538fb


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  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 19, 2015 5:47 AM GMT
    When are we, as a society, just going to come out and say it? We don't care.

    Columbine, Newtown, Charleston, the myriad "little" massacres of "only" two or three people at a time, a post office here, another school there,... when people care about something, they do something.

    We....don't......care.
  • metta

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    Jun 19, 2015 5:58 AM GMT
    NRA Board Member Blames Charleston Victim For His Own Death


    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/18/3671649/nra-board-member-blames-charleston-victim-death/
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    Jun 19, 2015 6:01 AM GMT
    I know what will help them all deal with this horrific tragedy.

    Prayer, God will heal them.

    AS IF!
  • metta

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    Jun 19, 2015 6:04 AM GMT
    An Emotional Jon Stewart Drops the Comedy to Talk Charleston: ‘We Still Won’t Do Jackshit’

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    Jun 19, 2015 6:43 AM GMT
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 19, 2015 8:17 AM GMT
    "We must regain the conviction that we need one another, that we have a shared responsibility for others and the world, and that being good and decent are worth it. We have had enough of immorality and the mockery of ethics, goodness, faith and honesty."

    Francis, "Laudato si' ", June 18 2015.

    But we have not had enough. Mockery of ethics, goodness, faith, honesty... mockery of life itself - unless, of course, it is our own - is becoming our forte.
  • metta

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    Jun 19, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
    Obama's 12th Statement On Mass Shootings Was His Most Political


    The tragedies that Obama has commented on:

    4/3/09: American Civic Association immigration center, Binghamton, New York
    6/10/09: Holocaust Museum Shooting, Washington, D.C.
    11/5/09: Fort Hood, Texas
    1/12/11: Public meeting held by U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, Tucson, Arizona
    4/20/12: Movie theater, Aurora, Colorado
    8/5/12: Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wisconsin
    12/14/12: Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Connecticut
    9/16/13: Navy Yard, Washington, D.C.
    4/2/14: Fort Hood, Texas
    4/13/14: Jewish community center, Overland Park, Kansas
    2/10/15: Chapel Hill, North Carolina
    5/18/15: Emanuel AME Church, Charleston, South Carolina


    "At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it. I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now. But it would be wrong for us not to acknowledge it. And at some point it’s going to be important for the American people to come to grips with it, and for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively." - President Obama

    http://www.vocativ.com/news/203303/obama-charleston-church-shooting/
  • metta

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    Jun 19, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
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    Jun 19, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
    Dylann Roof 'Almost Didn't Go Through' With Charleston Church Shooting



    "Dylann Roof... has told police that he 'almost didn't go through with it because everyone was so nice to him,' sources told NBC News."

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/dylann-roof-almost-didnt-go-through-charleston-church-shooting-n378341