Hate, Faith & Religion.

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    Jun 19, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
    A stupid killing!
    Why?
    Do these church's in the area (South Carolina) teach hate and now they want us to pray for the victims? I sincerely, feel bad for the people who lost their lives, however, it's the very CHURCH they attend that perpetuate and teach HATRED!

    Most of these Southern Churches are very anti-gay and as we have read in the past, they teach hate! So now I am supposed to pray for them? I don't think all the prayers in the world will heal or help the mounds of hypocrites that live there.

    Sorry, just calling it out.
    Charleston church shooting: Prayers held across US
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33195111

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    P.S. Abraham Lincoln Freed the South so why all the continued white hate??? WHY?
    5 Things You May Not Know About Lincoln, Slavery and Emancipation
    http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation
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    Jun 19, 2015 5:44 AM GMT
    The leaders of those churches preach hate. Some of the members attend for the social aspect, but don't agree with the leaders.

    That's the ONLY reason I feel this should be considered a crime.

    The white dude who did the shooting got what he deserved - suicide - for not being more selective of who he shot.

    And that's all I have to say about it.
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    Jun 19, 2015 6:14 AM GMT
    White man threatens Virginia churchgoers, spews racial slurs:


    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/white-man-threatens-virginia-churchgoers-spews-racial-slurs-media/ar-AAbOuv5
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    Jun 19, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
    Charleston Shooting Reignites Debate About Confederate Flag


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    https://twitter.com/MegMRivers/status/611552652896436224

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/charleston-shooting-reignites-debate-about-confederate-flag/ar-AAbPDCC
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    Jun 19, 2015 7:55 PM GMT
    Being a black American Christian is kind of oxymoron in itself. Especially if they're passionate about the black experience. They were indoctrinated by white slave owners for the most part, I mean letting that part go would make things a hell of a lot clearer for the black community but... I know quite a few black people who tossed religion to the curb for that very reason.
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    Jun 19, 2015 8:02 PM GMT
    I will never live in the SOUTH!

    I am a true Yank!

    My Great Great Grandfather was from upstate NEW YORK and was a Captain in the Civil war and fought under Abraham Lincoln.Yes, I have photos!

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=37429208


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    Jun 19, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
    BP201 saidBeing a black American Christian is kind of oxymoron in itself. Especially if they're passionate about the black experience. They were indoctrinated by white slave owners for the most part, I mean letting that part go would make things a hell of a lot clearer for the black community but... I know quite a few black people who tossed religion to the curb for that very reason.

    Same goes for mestizos and their devotion to Christianity. How communities that were oppressed by whites and stripped from their own cultures, chrish to this day the religion of their captors beats me.
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    Jun 19, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
    Lol I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to downplay the significance of this shooting.
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    Jun 19, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
    tmac2271 saidLol I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to downplay the significance of this shooting.


    It's very significant. I started digging and found a few things and added them in from my original post. This is a mess.
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    Jun 19, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    What a dork!

    Rick Perry calls Charleston shooting an 'accident'

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/245603-rick-perry-calls-charleston-shooting-an-accident
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    Jun 20, 2015 6:09 AM GMT
    NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/20/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-nra-idUSKBN0P006N20150620
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    Jun 20, 2015 11:48 AM GMT
    2bnaked saidNRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/20/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-nra-idUSKBN0P006N20150620


    I was wondering how the NRA would respond.
  • FRE0

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    Jun 20, 2015 7:09 PM GMT
    The fact is that Jesus commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves. Moreover, He used the parable of the Good Samaritan to expand greatly the definition of "neighbor". Furthermore, the two-part command to love God and love our neighbors is by far the most important command in Christianity as Jesus indicated when He said, "On these two commands hang all the law and the prophets.". Many Christian theologians consider that that is the only binding law. Thus, any church or person who teaches hatred, or any one who hates, is violating a direct command of Jesus himself.
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    Jun 20, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    PRAY, PRAY, PRAY. Everybody claims that they're praying for the people who lost their lives, but the people in that church were praying, and what did it get them, other than KILLED ?

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    Jun 20, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidPRAY, PRAY, PRAY. Everybody claims that they're praying for the people who lost their lives, but the people in that church were praying, and what did it get them, other than KILLED ?



    Exactly!!!

    I am under the impression that someone didn't hear or know these people along with the good pastor who at one POINT, perhaps taught hate or at least condoned it. Pay back's are a bitch! Not to make light, it's called something? Karma?
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    Jun 20, 2015 9:35 PM GMT
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    BP201 saidBeing a black American Christian is kind of oxymoron in itself. Especially if they're passionate about the black experience. They were indoctrinated by white slave owners for the most part, I mean letting that part go would make things a hell of a lot clearer for the black community but... I know quite a few black people who tossed religion to the curb for that very reason.


    pretty much. that's one of the reasons why i don't fuck with that shit.

    tmac2271 saidLol I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to downplay the significance of this shooting.


    word up. shit is sad, man. it's sick. folks are really trying to turn this into a "they don't deserve any empathy because they're homophobic" and they don't even KNOW these people. they assume that these people are homophobic because they're in a church. hell... even worse, what the hell does homophobia have to do with this? this is just about basically being a human. i wouldn't wish death on anybody regardless of whatever even though i'll admit that i've said shit in vain or out of anger. damn sure didn't mean it.



    Lol it's sad but I wouldn't expect any less from some of the people on here.

    Thankfully there are some people who are not ignorant or vindictive like some of the people here.


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    Jun 20, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    tmac2271 said
    moneypazweather said
    BP201 saidBeing a black American Christian is kind of oxymoron in itself. Especially if they're passionate about the black experience. They were indoctrinated by white slave owners for the most part, I mean letting that part go would make things a hell of a lot clearer for the black community but... I know quite a few black people who tossed religion to the curb for that very reason.


    pretty much. that's one of the reasons why i don't fuck with that shit.

    tmac2271 saidLol I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to downplay the significance of this shooting.


    word up. shit is sad, man. it's sick. folks are really trying to turn this into a "they don't deserve any empathy because they're homophobic" and they don't even KNOW these people. they assume that these people are homophobic because they're in a church. hell... even worse, what the hell does homophobia have to do with this? this is just about basically being a human. i wouldn't wish death on anybody regardless of whatever even though i'll admit that i've said shit in vain or out of anger. damn sure didn't mean it.



    Lol it's sad but I wouldn't expect any less from some of the people on here.



    Dude,
    It's not a color issue it's a true devotion to God issue. Don't you think He "GOD" knows what is in the hearts of all?

    I am not the judge, I am trying to piece some sort of relevance together. Black folks die and white, in a church or in a theater.

    It's my belief, we take each day as a gift, love others, be tolerant, be kind, forgive others and know life if fragile.

    LIFE.....is crule for sure at times! What do we learn from it all.....many things.

    No one is being ignorant or vindictive of the hurt people. I am just pointing out an alterniative view.

    Now he's a dork

    Rick Perry calls Charleston church shooting an 'accident'

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/19/rick-perry-charleston-church-shooting-accident
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    Jun 20, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    2bnaked said
    tmac2271 said
    moneypazweather said
    BP201 saidBeing a black American Christian is kind of oxymoron in itself. Especially if they're passionate about the black experience. They were indoctrinated by white slave owners for the most part, I mean letting that part go would make things a hell of a lot clearer for the black community but... I know quite a few black people who tossed religion to the curb for that very reason.


    pretty much. that's one of the reasons why i don't fuck with that shit.

    tmac2271 saidLol I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to downplay the significance of this shooting.


    word up. shit is sad, man. it's sick. folks are really trying to turn this into a "they don't deserve any empathy because they're homophobic" and they don't even KNOW these people. they assume that these people are homophobic because they're in a church. hell... even worse, what the hell does homophobia have to do with this? this is just about basically being a human. i wouldn't wish death on anybody regardless of whatever even though i'll admit that i've said shit in vain or out of anger. damn sure didn't mean it.



    Lol it's sad but I wouldn't expect any less from some of the people on here.



    Dude,
    It's not a color issue it's a true devotion to God issue. Don't you think He "GOD" knows what is in the hearts of all?

    I am not the judge, I am trying to piece some sort of relevance together. Black folks die and white, in a church or in a theater.

    It's my belief, we take each day as a gift, love others, be tolerant, be kind, forgive others and know life if fragile.

    LIFE.....is crule for sure at times! What do we learn from it all.....many things.

    No one is being ignorant or vindictive of the hurt people. I am just pointing out an alterniative view.

    Now he's a dork

    Rick Perry calls Charleston church shooting an 'accident'

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/19/rick-perry-charleston-church-shooting-accident


    LMFAO!! ok man. I'll leave you to your alternative view.
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    Jun 20, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
    tmac2271 said
    2bnaked said
    tmac2271 said
    moneypazweather said
    BP201 saidBeing a black American Christian is kind of oxymoron in itself. Especially if they're passionate about the black experience. They were indoctrinated by white slave owners for the most part, I mean letting that part go would make things a hell of a lot clearer for the black community but... I know quite a few black people who tossed religion to the curb for that very reason.


    pretty much. that's one of the reasons why i don't fuck with that shit.

    tmac2271 saidLol I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to downplay the significance of this shooting.


    word up. shit is sad, man. it's sick. folks are really trying to turn this into a "they don't deserve any empathy because they're homophobic" and they don't even KNOW these people. they assume that these people are homophobic because they're in a church. hell... even worse, what the hell does homophobia have to do with this? this is just about basically being a human. i wouldn't wish death on anybody regardless of whatever even though i'll admit that i've said shit in vain or out of anger. damn sure didn't mean it.



    Lol it's sad but I wouldn't expect any less from some of the people on here.



    Dude,
    It's not a color issue it's a true devotion to God issue. Don't you think He "GOD" knows what is in the hearts of all?

    I am not the judge, I am trying to piece some sort of relevance together. Black folks die and white, in a church or in a theater.

    It's my belief, we take each day as a gift, love others, be tolerant, be kind, forgive others and know life if fragile.

    LIFE.....is crule for sure at times! What do we learn from it all.....many things.

    No one is being ignorant or vindictive of the hurt people. I am just pointing out an alterniative view.

    Now he's a dork

    Rick Perry calls Charleston church shooting an 'accident'

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/19/rick-perry-charleston-church-shooting-accident


    LMFAO!! ok man. I'll leave you to your alternative view.



    I thought you wanted some empathy?? You think is funny being shot at in a church or theater. I think it's all about HATE and who's teaching that now days??? WHO?
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    Jun 20, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
    He teaches hate by allowing the confederate flag to fly




    The college president in Charleston who pushed to keep the Confederate battle flag flying outside the S.C. capitol


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/06/20/the-college-president-in-charleston-who-pushed-to-keep-the-confederate-battle-flag-flying-outside-the-s-c-capitol/

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    Jun 20, 2015 11:23 PM GMT
    Mitt Romney, the Republican Party’s nominee for president in 2012, demanded that South Carolina remove the Confederate flag flying above the grounds of its state Capitol on Saturday, calling it a “symbol of racial hatred.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/20/mitt-romney-calls-for-removal-of-confederate-flag-at-south-carolina-capitol/
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    Jun 20, 2015 11:49 PM GMT
    moneypazweather said
    paulflexes saidThe leaders of those churches preach hate. Some of the members attend for the social aspect, but don't agree with the leaders.

    That's the ONLY reason I feel this should be considered a crime.

    The white dude who did the shooting got what he deserved - suicide - for not being more selective of who he shot.

    And that's all I have to say about it.


    how do you know that though about that church or that leader? you're jumping the shark.

    and are you seriously trying to justify what that kid did? someone being hateful doesn't give someone else the right to do the same thing. he's old enough to know that and chose to go the other way instead of smartening up. two wrongs don't make a right. as for him killing somebody nobody deserves that shit. i don't care how bad or good someone is. what that kid did was dead wrong and what makes it worse was his reasons for doing it.

    it's sad how this society has people thinking that the best way to deal with issues is by hurting people. it's disturbing. crime and violence is always going to be around BUT it seems to be way too normal in american society where people feel that this is the way to go about life.

    Good, valid points. What happened in that Charleston church was absolutely horrible. That 21 year old guy had no legitimate right killing those innocent folks inside that peaceful sanctuary. If he hated those black folks so much, why the hell didn't he just stay the fuck away from them and live and let live. I just don't understand the logic behind this killer's motive. Whether or not these churchgoers were homophobic or prejudiced towards any other groups still does not excuse the violent, savage actions of this mentally ill young man.
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    Jun 20, 2015 11:59 PM GMT
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    moneypazweather said
    paulflexes saidThe leaders of those churches preach hate. Some of the members attend for the social aspect, but don't agree with the leaders.

    That's the ONLY reason I feel this should be considered a crime.

    The white dude who did the shooting got what he deserved - suicide - for not being more selective of who he shot.

    And that's all I have to say about it.


    how do you know that though about that church or that leader? you're jumping the shark.

    and are you seriously trying to justify what that kid did? someone being hateful doesn't give someone else the right to do the same thing. he's old enough to know that and chose to go the other way instead of smartening up. two wrongs don't make a right. as for him killing somebody nobody deserves that shit. i don't care how bad or good someone is. what that kid did was dead wrong and what makes it worse was his reasons for doing it.

    it's sad how this society has people thinking that the best way to deal with issues is by hurting people. it's disturbing. crime and violence is always going to be around BUT it seems to be way too normal in american society where people feel that this is the way to go about life.

    Good, valid points. What happened in that Charleston church was absolutely horrible. That 21 year old guy had no legitimate right killing those innocent folks inside that peaceful sanctuary. If he hated those black folks so much, why the hell didn't he just stay the fuck away from them and live and let live. I just don't understand the logic behind this killer's motive. Whether or not these churchgoers were homophobic or prejudiced towards any other groups still does not excuse the violent, savage actions of this mentally ill young man.



    Was this killer gay? Something isn't adding up.....

    21 and to HATE enough to go into a church and kill 9 people including the pastor? WHY?
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    Jun 21, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
    2bnaked said
    roadbikeRob said
    moneypazweather said
    paulflexes saidThe leaders of those churches preach hate. Some of the members attend for the social aspect, but don't agree with the leaders.

    That's the ONLY reason I feel this should be considered a crime.

    The white dude who did the shooting got what he deserved - suicide - for not being more selective of who he shot.

    And that's all I have to say about it.


    how do you know that though about that church or that leader? you're jumping the shark.

    and are you seriously trying to justify what that kid did? someone being hateful doesn't give someone else the right to do the same thing. he's old enough to know that and chose to go the other way instead of smartening up. two wrongs don't make a right. as for him killing somebody nobody deserves that shit. i don't care how bad or good someone is. what that kid did was dead wrong and what makes it worse was his reasons for doing it.

    it's sad how this society has people thinking that the best way to deal with issues is by hurting people. it's disturbing. crime and violence is always going to be around BUT it seems to be way too normal in american society where people feel that this is the way to go about life.

    Good, valid points. What happened in that Charleston church was absolutely horrible. That 21 year old guy had no legitimate right killing those innocent folks inside that peaceful sanctuary. If he hated those black folks so much, why the hell didn't he just stay the fuck away from them and live and let live. I just don't understand the logic behind this killer's motive. Whether or not these churchgoers were homophobic or prejudiced towards any other groups still does not excuse the violent, savage actions of this mentally ill young man.



    Was this killer gay? Something isn't adding up.....

    21 and to HATE enough to go into a church and kill 9 people including the pastor? WHY?
    He was a racist and a deeply disturbed young man who struggled in high school and dropped out after having to repeat the ninth grade. He still referred to Zimbabwe as Rhodesia and supported apartheid in South Africa. Evidently, this kid suffered from learning disabilities and was mentally unbalanced. Why he killed these nine people we will probably never know the full truth.
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    Jun 21, 2015 12:31 AM GMT
    This is just another example of a seriously mentally ill person with ready access to guns carrying out a tragic and entirely preventable crime. It's Sandy Hook all over again but instead of innocent little kids it's little old church ladies and such. Crazies have shot up folks at MacDonalds and theatres in the past. I'm sure the next time something like this happens (and sadly it will) it will be another place where folks assume they are safe when out in public. This crime speaks more to gun violence than race relations in my opinion and it's a shame that gun control seems to getting a pass yet again.