Israelis are ready to follow Ireland's lead and legalize gay marriage

  • mwolverine

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    Jun 20, 2015 12:57 PM GMT
    Israelis are ready to follow Ireland's lead and legalize gay marriage
    The recognition of LGBT rights is the political norm in 2015 Israel, and the public is largely ready to move forward on pro-LGBT legislation and equal rights for the community.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.658083

    Haaretz Editorial
    May 26, 2015

    The citizens of Ireland, considered one of the most conservative and most religious countries in Europe, voted overwhelmingly on Friday to legalize same-sex marriages. Thus Ireland joins at least 16 countries including Spain, France, and Denmark and 36 U.S. states where gay and lesbian couples can marry.

    The result of the Irish referendum is the best illustration of the change in popular attitudes toward the LGBT community. Ireland has always been considered a conservative country, and until 1993 homosexuality was a crime. The lack of substantial resistance to the idea of same-sex marriage demonstrates the readiness of the society and its institutions — even the most conservative of them, like the Catholic Church — to accept homosexuality without seeing it as something to change or to deny.

    Israel is part of this global trend. Israelis, like the Irish, are increasingly open to and welcoming of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. This can be seen not only in the growing number of celebrities and public figures who are open about their sexual orientation and no longer suffer the stress of concealing who they are, but also and above all in the many Israeli households that are headed by LGBT parents; by the pride parades that have nearly become national holidays in which everyone participates and by the many draft laws that have been submitted with the aim of securing equal civil and economic rights for LGBT Israelis. While many of them have yet to become law, they are nonetheless paving the LGBT community’s way into the heart of the national consensus.

    It would not be going too far to say that in 2015 Israel, the recognition of LGBT rights is the political norm, shared by all the parties except the religious ones — and even in these parties there are individuals who are open and sympathetic to the issue. The latest election season proved this, when antiquated anti-gay marriage remarks by figures in Habayit Hayehudi chased away potential voters, especially young ones. Likud, in contrast, took care to present a pro-LGBT agenda, and senior party figures such as Benjamin Netanyahu, Moshe Ya’alon and Miri Regev repeatedly spoke out against homophobia and for equal rights.

    The Israeli public is largely ready to move forward on pro-LGBT legislation and equal rights for the community, chief among them the right to marry. In Israel, marriage is a religious institution, and as same-sex marriage is prohibited, as is heterosexual marriage in a wide variety of circumstances. The LGBT breakthrough is another reason to introduce civil marriage in Israel, as in the rest of the West, in order to free groups and individuals from the tyranny of laws that are irrelevant to them and to offer them genuine justice and equality instead.
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    Jun 20, 2015 9:17 PM GMT
    Down in Texas I see a lot of "I Support Israel" bumper stickers and billboards--I wonder how many will be up if this comes into the mainstream, and if it's legalized.

    Wild stuff. Still, it'll be one step forward into the 21st century for that country. Good luck to them.
  • ASHDOD

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    Jun 20, 2015 9:32 PM GMT

    Its hard to tell if this will happened soon, we don't have even civil marriages ,and the religious parties are in the coalition...

    on the bright side i can say that because of this Israel have established recognition of Common-law marriage [because u can marry only inside your religion in Israel ,lots of couples can't marry but the state actually gives them all the rights of married couples] so gay couples enter this status.
  • Lincsbear

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    Jun 20, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
    It will be interesting to watch the religious fundamentalists` reaction if Israel does legalize gay marriage.
  • ASHDOD

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    Jun 20, 2015 10:39 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidIt will be interesting to watch the religious fundamentalists` reaction if Israel does legalize gay marriage.


    its not like in the us, they might not like it, but for them its not a major issue.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 20, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
    I think he meant American religious fundamentalists.

    Will they stop supporting Israel?
    ...and, what, support ISIS instead?
    (They may have more in common....)

    Perhaps it is more of a core issue for them than gays in the military, but I don't recall them losing a beat when Israel openly accepted gays in the IDF in 1993 - ironically the same year homosexuality was decriminalized in Ireland and military preclusions lifted.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 20, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
    Kodiak saidit'll be one step forward into the 21st century for that country. Good luck to them.

    Thanks for the well wishes, but don't overlook that by many measures Israel is more secular than the USA (certainly Texas and the Bible Belt).

    Half the Jewish population is secular, of which 15% is atheist and 37% agnostic.
    (Though another survey showed 77% believe in a "higher power")

    Figures vary widely in the US, about 42% secular, 3-12% atheist, 4-17% agnostic and ~82% believe in God or a higher power.
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    Jun 21, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
    Gay marriage is possible in Israel but my concerns are the religious fundamentals starting internal conflict in Israel.
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    Jun 22, 2015 12:25 PM GMT
    Ronaldo619 saidGay marriage is possible in Israel but my concerns are the religious fundamentals starting internal conflict in Israel.


    That's a global concern already. The sooner we advance out of stagnation within the 21st century by expanding freedoms, human rights, science, technology and education, the sooner we can eradicate the scourge of conservative, ignorant, mythology-based fundamentalist beliefs.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 23, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    It's a concern, but they've been largely held in check for decades.
    Sure, they get tossed some bones (e.g. no public buses in Jerusalem on the Sabbath), but they might be losing ground (Yeshiva students getting military exemptions).
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 25, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    See also:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4054588
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2015 3:11 PM GMT
    Ignore AyaTrollah pouncer - like everyone else does.
    He's a lot like the Phelps group.
    Just baiting and lying to get a reaction and attention.
    Life is that boring in his mum's basement.

    For example, his comments about "interracial marriage".
    It's never been illegal in Israel, why should it be legalized?
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
    For those whose interest isn't mudslinging at Israel because they hate Jews, the problem isn't that Israel is a religious state (it's the secular state of the Jewish people, just like Hungary is the state of the Magyar people), but that the legal system (inherited from the British) puts marriage into only the hands of the religious institutions (Jewish, Muslim, Christian and others). There is, presently, no secular marriage option.

    The religious authorities (of all religions) will only marry adherents of their faith and according to their faith. So what you can't have is inter-religious marriages, and as long as the religious authorities won't marry gays, you can't have gay marriage.

    The (secular) State RECOGNIZES gay marriages performed abroad and has also recognized common law marriages. Benefits and protections are granted to gay domestic partners - have been for decades, just as gays can openly serve in the IDF.