Why Vladimir Putin Wants Texas to Secede from the U.S.

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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-vladimir-putin-wants-texas-194600233.html

    In a piece published in Politico, reporter Casey Michel outlines the deeply strange connection between the Texas National Movement, a group that advocates for Texas breaking away from the Union, and authorities in Russia.

    Nathan Smith, the self-described foreign minister of TNM, has been welcomed at far right rallies in Russia, and feted by state media for describing the U.S. as being “not a democracy, but a dictatorship.”

    The Kremlin has also apparently harnessed its considerable army of Internet “trolls” to gin up discussions of Texas eventually seceding from the Union on various platforms globally.

    References to Texas have become strangely common in statements of Russian officials, up to and including President Vladimir Putin who, as Michel notes, accused the U.S. of “grabbing” Texas from Mexico in a rambling speech to the nation last December. (Texas, in fact, established its own independence from Mexico, establishing the Republic of Texas in 1836, nearly 10 years before voting to join the U.S.)

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 24, 2015 12:28 PM GMT
    I am sure that overwhelming majority of Texans would greatly welcome any outside support from the fascistic Russian leadership to achieve their long desired goal of independence from all of us Americans. Texans and Russian nationals seem to be in lockstep with both their homophobic and xenophobic viewpoints. Washington should just advance legislation through both houses of Congress and send it to the President to sign and let Texas go its own separate, sovereign way. The U.S. doesn't need Texas anyways so let them go. Do all us Americans a long overdue favor.
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    Jun 24, 2015 12:46 PM GMT
    I endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.
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    Jun 24, 2015 12:50 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.
    I doubt that Mexico wants those racist, xenophobic, homophobic ingrates back. However if Mexico wants to annex Texas, I as a U.S. citizen welcome it with open arms.
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    Jun 24, 2015 1:10 PM GMT
    I thought the Cold War ended in 1993. I guess not.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 24, 2015 1:18 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidI thought the Cold War ended in 1993. I guess not.
    No the Cold War is still technically on in the US because we still have the Duck Dynasty Republic of Texas as a U.S. state. Once Texas is permanently kicked out of the Union, the Cold War will finally be over.
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    Jun 24, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.


    ^^^^^
    That 90% (that you made up and didn't give a citation for) doesn't take into consideration that as the world's 12th largest economy Texas puts more in the federal budget than 14 other states (figure I gave on a previous thread by adding up state economies). Knock about 20% (rough estimate) off that monthly check you get for being retired and you might see what you ought to be thanking Texas for.

    Texas would be way better off if they weren't in the Union but that's never going to happen.
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    Jun 24, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.


    I suspect that the average Texas household has enough guns and ammo to inconvenience an invader for a while.
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    Jun 24, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    ^ Yes, the long-term solution for Texas is guns.
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    Jun 24, 2015 4:05 PM GMT
    ^Snark
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    Jun 24, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    Perhaps the U.S. should cede Texas to Putin - a match made in heaven.
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    Jun 24, 2015 4:37 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    I suspect that the average Texas household has enough guns and ammo to inconvenience an invader for a while.


    No doubt! LOL!

    I went to a wedding near Houston recently and stayed with friends of the grooms and visited others. All were gun owners. There's a well armed gay militia in Texas.
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    Jun 24, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
    woodsmen said^ Yes, the long-term solution for Texas is guns.


    Now that you mention long term solutions, you ought to go there for a nature hike... during deer season... wearing antlers... just to find out.
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    Jun 24, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    Art_Deco saidI endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.

    I suspect that the average Texas household has enough guns and ammo to inconvenience an invader for a while.

    Small arms against heavy artillery, rockets, armored vehicles and machine guns? Much of it supplied from US sources, the same stuff we use. Disorganized yahoos without any strategy, except to shoot at anything that looks Mexican (which I will admit they do know something about, leading to the possibility they will shoot about half of their own citizens). Right.

    Did you actually ever serve in military uniform, and in what capacity? Your proposal is laughable nonsense, as any career soldier would know. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 24, 2015 5:34 PM GMT
    That's because Russia and TX both believe in having their citizenry be uneducated Jesus freaks will zero political power. Frack 'em.
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    Jun 24, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    laugh my ass off if an arbitrary 2nd world country could would bomb the jesus out of Dallas or Huston and or reset the general infrastructure back to 1800's.

    do it just because it could be done.

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    Jun 24, 2015 6:03 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    rkyjockdn said
    I suspect that the average Texas household has enough guns and ammo to inconvenience an invader for a while.


    No doubt! LOL!

    I went to a wedding near Houston recently and stayed with friends of the grooms and visited others. All were gun owners. There's a well armed gay militia in Texas.



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    Jun 24, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
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    woodsmen said^ Yes, the long-term solution for Texas is guns.


    Now that you mention long term solutions, you ought to go there for a nature hike... during deer season... wearing antlers... just to find out.
    Now, now, Bob. I have taught in Dallas and I must say it is very Cosmopolitan. They have a Four Seasons but one telling thing is that they lack a Park Hyatt.
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    Jun 24, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
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    rkyjockdn said
    Art_Deco saidI endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.

    I suspect that the average Texas household has enough guns and ammo to inconvenience an invader for a while.

    Small arms against heavy artillery, rockets, armored vehicles and machine guns? Much of it supplied from US sources, the same stuff we use. Disorganized yahoos without any strategy, except to shoot at anything that looks Mexican (which I will admit they do know something about, leading to the possibility they will shoot about half of their own citizens). Right.

    Did you actually ever serve in military uniform, and in what capacity? Your proposal is laughable nonsense, as any career soldier would know. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Insurgency tends not to be a minor matter while occupying territory. Case in point would be Iraq. It would be even more difficult if we followed the same rules of engagement. I'm not claiming that Texas would win such an engagement -- they'd just make it extraordinarily difficult to take and occupy.

    I suspect that your experience as an officer was non-combat, and that you reported to similar "perfumed princes", those who were held in contempt by the combat-experienced rank and file.
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    Hmmmm, I just wonder, who (hint: or what state) is behind ALL the recent hacking going on. I know something, that I am not obliged to tell everyone, I can only give you clues, I'm just the observer, no one will ever figure it out unless they are part of the overall sinister plot icon_wink.gif

    One of the clues lies in a recent news story about African Americans

    Second clue, Why are Russia and China always blamed for cyber hacking the US?


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    Jun 24, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Art_Deco saidI endorse Texas independence. For a few months, until Mexico decides to take it back.

    Without the US Army Texas would be helpless militarily. Its National Guard relies about 90% on Federal funding, weapons & equipment. Remove that and the Texas Guard is barely a police force, unable to defend against a foreign invasion.


    ^^^^^
    That 90% (that you made up and didn't give a citation for) doesn't take into consideration that as the world's 12th largest economy Texas puts more in the federal budget than 14 other states (figure I gave on a previous thread by adding up state economies). Knock about 20% (rough estimate) off that monthly check you get for being retired and you might see what you ought to be thanking Texas for.

    Texas would be way better off if they weren't in the Union but that's never going to happen.
    The only legitimate reason why Texas has a massive economy is because it siphoned business and industry from other parts of both the U.S. and the world so there is nothing to thank Texas for because they are first class thieves. The only way the lone star shithole could sell itself and develop itself was through the unfortunately lawful piracy of business and industry from elsewhere.


    I don't consider Texans to be my fellow Americans. They are foreign imposters and anti US traitors.
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    Jun 27, 2015 3:42 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    rkyjockdn said
    I suspect that the average Texas household has enough guns and ammo to inconvenience an invader for a while.


    No doubt! LOL!

    I went to a wedding near Houston recently and stayed with friends of the grooms and visited others. All were gun owners. There's a well armed gay militia in Texas.
    That probably explains the persistantly high homicide rates in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Fort Worth. Guns, guns, and more guns. You cannot separate a Texan from their goddamned guns. Especially in the small towns and rural areas. Guns along with pickup trucks, King James bibles, cowboy hats, cowboy boots, snug wrangler jeans, and chicken fried steak are the true Texan trademarks.