Under PRESIDENT ROMNEY Would Marriage Equality Have Happened Today?

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    Jun 26, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
    What do you think? Would Romney have been able to convince Republicans to support marriage equality? Would he have tried?
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    Jun 26, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    My own view is that there isn't a chance in Hell that Romney would have supported marriage equality.

    He would have been too busy proving he hated gays enough to satisfy his base.
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    Jun 26, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
    Upon what evidence do you base your claim that Romney hates - there's that "H" word again - gays? Nothing in any of his speeches ever indicated any such antipathy to us, so where do you get that from? As for the thread's title, his Presidency would have been irrelevant on this issue, much as the Obama admin's Solicitor's Brief and oral argument was. The only possible impact Romney might have had on the decision was if he nominated and had confirmed any SCOTUS Justices, and even then how they'd have voted is unknown. Look at GOP-appointee Kennedy, after all, who wrote the majority opinion.
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    Jun 27, 2015 12:46 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Upon what evidence do you base your claim that Romney hates - there's that "H" word again - gays? Nothing in any of his speeches ever indicated any such antipathy to us, so where do you get that from?.

    First of all, where do you get this fucking "US"? You are about as gay as Romney himself. Please drop the "US" since you don't qualify.

    Second, Romney signed a document authored by the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) to oppose gay rights, as the other Republican Presidential primary candidates did in 2012. In case you forgot, here's a copy:

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    Jun 27, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    I think he would've "evolved". He came out against the confederate flag so I think anything is possible. I'm not sure Republicans are much different than Obama in secretly being fine with gay marriage, but publicly waiting for the right time and right way. I think many Republicans say "The states should choose" is their way of saying they don't oppose it.

    If everyone came out of the closet, this would be a non-issue in my opinion. Maybe this will make it easier for some to be more courageous.
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    Jun 27, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidI think he would've "evolved". He came out against the confederate flag so I think anything is possible. I'm not sure Republicans are much different than Obama in secretly being fine with gay marriage, but publicly waiting for the right time and right way. I think many Republicans say "The states should choose" is their way of saying they don't oppose it.

    If everyone came out of the closet, this would be a non-issue in my opinion. Maybe this will make it easier for some to be more courageous.
    Thank you +200,000
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    Jun 27, 2015 1:15 AM GMT
    FitnessWorker saidWhat do you think? Would Romney have been able to convince Republicans to support marriage equality? Would he have tried?
    Nope, he would have been assassinated by a rogue Pink Pistols member.
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    Jun 27, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
    Campaign rhetoric does not always translate into political action after the campaign is over. So, it's hard to say what a Romney administration might actually have done. The only thing I can say with certainty is that I do not trust Romney to do the right thing.
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    Jun 27, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
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    MGINSD said
    Upon what evidence do you base your claim that Romney hates - there's that "H" word again - gays? Nothing in any of his speeches ever indicated any such antipathy to us, so where do you get that from?.

    First of all, where do you get this fucking "US"? You are about as gay as Romney himself. Please drop the "US" since you don't qualify.

    Second, Romney signed a document authored by the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) to oppose gay rights, as the other Republican Presidential primary candidates did in 2012. In case you forgot, here's a copy:

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    Any questions? You are totally busted. icon_razz.gif


    Just one: where did you obtain the ability/power/right to determine who's gay and who's not? As rational posters with whom I've privately communicated here know, my record has been and remains out and on the record in favor of gay rights, including gay marriage, since the Bicentennial Summer when I came out. And, nothing contained in that document that Romney signed, or anything he ever said, amounts to "hatred" of gays, so stop parroting that hyperbolic word. Disagreement with gay marriage, yes; hatred, no. You've not been privy to his or my mind, nor likely to be so, and your latest post is just another Clamato-induced tempest in a tumbler.
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    Jun 27, 2015 1:53 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidI think he would've "evolved". He came out against the confederate flag so I think anything is possible. I'm not sure Republicans are much different than Obama in secretly being fine with gay marriage, but publicly waiting for the right time and right way. I think many Republicans say "The states should choose" is their way of saying they don't oppose it.

    If everyone came out of the closet, this would be a non-issue in my opinion. Maybe this will make it easier for some to be more courageous.


    ^+1! Well said, and true, according to my own experiences w/ many GOPers over the last several decades. And, I agree w/ your prognosis, too.
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:03 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Art_Deco said
    MGINSD said
    Upon what evidence do you base your claim that Romney hates - there's that "H" word again - gays? Nothing in any of his speeches ever indicated any such antipathy to us, so where do you get that from?.

    First of all, where do you get this fucking "US"? You are about as gay as Romney himself. Please drop the "US" since you don't qualify.

    Second, Romney signed a document authored by the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) to oppose gay rights, as the other Republican Presidential primary candidates did in 2012. In case you forgot, here's a copy:

    Mitt_zpsdck9wd0u.jpg
    Any questions? You are totally busted. icon_razz.gif

    Just one: where did you obtain the ability/power/right to determine who's gay and who's not? As rational posters with whom I've privately communicated here know, my record has been and remains out and on the record in favor of gay rights, including gay marriage, since the Bicentennial Summer when I came out. And, nothing contained in that document that Romney signed, or anything he ever said, amounts to "hatred" of gays, so stop parroting that hyperbolic word. Disagreement with gay marriage, yes; hatred, no. You've not been privy to his or my mind, nor likely to be so, and your latest post is just another Clamato-induced tempest in a tumbler.

    If what Romney signed represents love of gays, then you are still busted. And if what you post here represents pro-gay, you are still busted.

    Oh, and BTW, if you know what I'm drinking (Clamato - really?), then I know whether you're gay or not, and what's in your mind. Fair enough?
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:08 AM GMT
    NYT: Like many conservative Republicans, Mitt Romney is opposed not only to same-sex marriage, but also to the civil unions that many states have adopted as an alternative to full marital rights for gay couples.

    On Wednesday, in anticipation of Mr. Obama’s announcement, Mr. Romney laid out his belief that marriage — and anything resembling it — should be restricted to heterosexual couples, even as he acknowledged that it was “a very tender and sensitive topic.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/romney-reaffirms-opposition-to-marriage-or-similar-for-gay-couples.html
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:09 AM GMT
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:09 AM GMT
    NYT: Mr. Romney has, over the years, made it clear that his opposition to same-sex marriage and civil unions is a deeply held moral conviction, and he has not shied from using strong language to describe the offense he has taken to its introduction.

    When in 2003 the Massachusetts courts legalized same-sex marriage in the state, Mr. Romney, then governor, complained that the state had become “San Francisco East.” And, speaking with a sense of alarm about gay couples, he warned a conservative audience that “some are actually having children born to them.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/romney-reaffirms-opposition-to-marriage-or-similar-for-gay-couples.html
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:14 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: Mr. Romney has, over the years, made it clear that his opposition to same-sex marriage and civil unions is a deeply held moral conviction, and he has not shied from using strong language to describe the offense he has taken to its introduction.

    When in 2003 the Massachusetts courts legalized same-sex marriage in the state, Mr. Romney, then governor, complained that the state had become “San Francisco East.” And, speaking with a sense of alarm about gay couples, he warned a conservative audience that “some are actually having children born to them.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/romney-reaffirms-opposition-to-marriage-or-similar-for-gay-couples.html

    But MGINSD doesn't think there's any implied anti-gay hate in that. It's just Romney's "opinion". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
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    NYT: A Vietnam veteran, Bob Garon, who as it happens wed another man in June, asked Mr. Romney if he would support repeal of New Hampshire’s law allowing same-sex marriage. Mr. Romney said he would, because “marriage is between a man and a woman.”

    After an intense exchange, Mr. Romney said that “at the time the Constitution was written it was pretty clear that marriage is between a man and a woman, and I don’t believe the Supreme Court has changed that.”

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/when-in-doubt-blame-the-founders/
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    Jun 27, 2015 2:43 AM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 said
    Dont come with the same argument you didnt knew you were gay until you turned 45

    And don't come with the argument that you aren't a sock. Or that you hate Mexicans as much as Donald Trump does. If you really were a Mexican your fellow "countrymen" would rip you to shreds for the horrible comments you've made about them. Another faker here busted. icon_razz.gif
  • wellwell

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    Jun 27, 2015 3:22 AM GMT
    OP:
    Your question is absurdly-speculative. Romney is not a Republican; he's a RINO / shill! Romney, obviously, is not the president so what does it matter?

    Third, Romney; because he's not a Republican, threw the election (bowing to his globalist "handlers")!


    BTW, your best, most intelligent vote would be in favor of the candidate the commie-news mediums hate the most . . .
    Anyone notice: That does not happen to be Bush, nor Clinton?
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    Jun 27, 2015 4:11 AM GMT
    So tired of the conservative sock puppets making the same tired attacks...
    Seriously, we all know who you are and you look more pathetic than ever!
    What a LOSER.

    And speaking of other losers, Romney pledged to make gay Americans second-class citizens PERMANENTLY, by writing discrimination into the US Constitution.
    A few days ago he repeated that his mind had not changed one bit.
    Like virtually all GOP politicians, he is a vile bigot who lower than dog sh*t.
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    Jun 27, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
    wellwell saidOP:
    Your question is absurdly-speculative. Romney is not a Republican; he's a RINO / shill! Romney, obviously, is not the president so what does it matter?

    Third, Romney; because he's not a Republican, threw the election (bowing to his globalist "handlers")!


    BTW, your best, most intelligent vote would be in favor of the candidate the commie-news mediums hate the most . . .
    Anyone notice: That does not happen to be Bush, nor Clinton?


    Why did the Republican electorate nominate someone who is not really a Republican? I guess they're not very bright, are they?
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    Jun 27, 2015 4:24 AM GMT
    The desperate spin today from Fox and the Repubs in the wake of their huge loss on gay marriage, has been to blather on about how President Obama and Hillary Clinton "evolved" from opposing gay marriage to supporting gay marriage.

    The Repub propaganda machine seem to think pointing out how Obama and Clinton once opposed gay marriage and now support it - is somehow damaging to Obama and Clinton.
    But all this desperate spin does is highlight the fact that the Repub party STILL opposes gay marriage - and has yet to "evolve".
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    Jun 27, 2015 6:11 AM GMT
    One can only now make assumptions. But my 98 yo Grannies tho also is a Latter Day Saint, supports marriage equity.

    But this is neither something Obama made come to pass either.
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    Jun 27, 2015 8:34 AM GMT
    Can we recognize that the fucking SUPREME COURT made this decision and not Obama? It doesn't matter what president was in office... (S)He had no say.
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    Jun 27, 2015 8:48 AM GMT
    Can we recognize that a president signing a pledge to eliminate the possibility of marriage equality would be a real piece of shit?
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    Jun 27, 2015 9:41 AM GMT
    ayee111 saidCan we recognize that the fucking SUPREME COURT made this decision and not Obama? It doesn't matter what president was in office... (S)He had no say.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Supreme_Court_candidates

    It's complicated, but this decision came from a more-or-less evenly divided court since Obama basically replaced outgoing 'liberals' with incoming 'liberals'. The (possibly oversimplified) idea is that Romney would have given us a six-to-three 'conservative' court, depending on how one counts it.

    So no, it cannot be truthfully agreed that it doesn't matter what president was in office, though it can be agreed that the president wouldn't have been the one making the decision. Call it a mixed blessing of Constitutional politics (and/or google "checks and balances").

    EDIT: mdpo180 makes a good point, though; I completely spaced on the fact that the Romney comparison limits the appointment consideration to Obama's second term. In the abstract, it still matters, but the impact is far less direct in this particular case. It was, though, something to have been considered at election time, and is one reason I could not vote for a presidential candidate from the modern GOP even given my rather sour outlook on the state of our two-party system.