An HIV-Positive Man Stood On The Streets With A Sign Asking People To Touch Him

  • secondstartot...

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    Jun 28, 2015 5:21 PM GMT


    http://tv.bamargera.com/an-hiv-positive-man-stood-on-the-streets-with-a-sign-asking-people-to-touch-him-the-results-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity/?ZGEhil4HA61zu5Za.99
  • mystery905

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    Jun 28, 2015 5:39 PM GMT
    That was touching.
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    This is exactly the kind of footage we should see on the news (minus the piano music, that is a bit overdramatic), instead of always focusing on what goes wrong into our world ! Let's spread some more positive energy (no pun intended).

    When you think about it, in your every day life, there is absolutely NO USE to know that somewhere in the world, a crazy person shot a dozen people, except feeling saddened, and maybe loosing some more faith in humanity. Let's break this vicious circle. I'm sure if massive information published more positive stuff like this, every body would be in a better mood, and more likely to help each other.
    It may sound like a "unicorn and rainbow kinda thought", but I'm convinced that global peace and happiness start with small things like this.
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    I got something in my eye
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:11 PM GMT
    This seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_confused.gif

    yeah, exactly my feeling. Sorry, but I didn't like the video. I think it stigmatizes people with HIV more. From when being infected with HIV made someone untouchable, may be 20-30 years ago?
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?

    and for people who are negative how can we understand how a positive person feels ? I think perhaps he is newly diagnosed and is still feeling raw ... I have many + friends and they "deal" quite admirably after a while ... and how many people did not touch him ...and notice how many of them were women !...

    I quote this from the article
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    If you don’t have HIV/AIDS, you will never be able to understand the daily struggles that these individuals go through. Ever since the epidemic began in the 1980’s, there has been a worldwide fear of contracting the virus. Originally, it was not known how you actually got HIV/AIDS, but now the science has progressed to the point that individuals who test positive can live long and normal lives with the help of modern medicine. There is still a stigma attached to the virus, however, although it cannot be contract through means like touch.

    Many people contract HIV/AIDS through sexual contact, but you cannot get it from just being around someone who is infected. You must come into contact with certain bodily fluids from the infected individual and even then you do not have a 100% chance of getting the virus. Regardless of these facts, people still fear coming into contact with HIV-positive individuals. You do not need to run to your local health department for STD testing after you touch someone with HIV.

    A man in Finland recently put these fears to the test and put up a sign in a park which simply stated, “I am HIV-positive. Touch me!”

    Janne waited and soon individuals began touching his hands, patting him on the back and giving him hugs. It is clear to see that he is overwhelmed by the acceptance these people are showing him after years of feeling like an outsider. The best moment is when a mother stops pushing her stroller, explains the situation to her children and has them watch as she goes over to Janne and hugs him.

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    Jun 28, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
    allthough thinking about it , honestly I dont think I would have gone up and touched him, not because he is positive , but because I am freaked out by street performers ... especially mimes and human statues ... so I can see there is an element of "this is dumb" about it .... but on the first viewing I was deeply moved or perhaps someone was chopping onions in my home ...who knows
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    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?


    What in the world is wrong with an HIV- person desiring to stay disease free? Isn't it common sense to not want diseases? You can't ask people to sacrifice sound thinking just to save someone's feelings. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person requesting DDF partners, as long as it's done in a polite manner. It's idiotic to bash someone for this.
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    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?

    and for people who are negative how can we understand how a positive person feels ? I think perhaps he is newly diagnosed and is still feeling raw ... I have many + friends and they "deal" quite admirably after a while ... and how many people did not touch him ...and notice how many of them were women !...


    Most of the people who didn't touch him could have been due to the whole drama he created. I wouldn't have touched him either.
    If we are to take into account the DDF thing on dating profile, it doesn't necessarily mean HIV positive. DDF stands for Drug and Disease free. I don't think it's directed towards guys with HIV positive. Yes there are some douchebags who say things like CLEAN, but I think they are still in very minority, if you compare other things like NO ASIANS/BLACKS/FEM etc, which is much much more prevalent.
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    Radd said
    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?


    What in the world is wrong with an HIV- person desiring to stay disease free? Isn't it common sense to not want diseases? You can't ask people to sacrifice sound thinking just to save someone's feelings. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person requesting DDF partners, as long as it's done in a polite manner. It's idiotic to bash someone for this.

    because if you have safe sex with a positive guy who is on his meds with a Viral Load - undetectable ...what exactly do you think you are going to get ? ?
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
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    Radd said
    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?


    What in the world is wrong with an HIV- person desiring to stay disease free? Isn't it common sense to not want diseases? You can't ask people to sacrifice sound thinking just to save someone's feelings. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person requesting DDF partners, as long as it's done in a polite manner. It's idiotic to bash someone for this.

    because if you have safe sex with a positive guy who is on his meds with a Viral Load - undetectable ...what exactly do you think you are going to get ? ?


    Not everyone is looking for casual sex. I just got out of an LTR where we did not use protection. Just like many HIV+ persons prefer to be with other HIV+ people so they too can have unprotected sex. I want that again with my next partner, so I prefer to date HIV- men. If it happens to be casual sex, I'm fine with someone who is HIV+ as long as they are honest about their status. Either way, I should have the right to limit my sexual partners in any way I wish.
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    Jun 28, 2015 6:59 PM GMT
    I was very moved by the video. I'm of an age where I've lost plenty of friends, long ago when the drugs were crap.
    Still, having a handful of positive friends, I more than understand their feelings. Just because your Neg. doesn't mean you can't empathize with others.
    If I saw that, I would happily broke away from my friends or group and gave the guy a hug.
    Even if he was emancipated (which this guy clearly was not) I'd still show some human Love and Touch to a stranger in need.
    Just who I am.
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    Jun 28, 2015 7:15 PM GMT
    Ahh the "blind trust" social experiments are still trending. I saw a similar one with Muslim men. I don't think it's over dramatic.

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    Jun 28, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
    If this guy is crying over this, or felt the need to do this video then I don't think the world is yet over HIV stigmatization. I agree it's not the 90's but there are still lots of people in the world that would flinch at the knowledge someone is HIV+.

  • charlitos666

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    Jun 28, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
    Thats was cute, it made me cry icon_sad.gif

    In the beginning people were a bit weirded out but slowly they found out he wasnt some crazy person. Touching video, it obviously meant a lot for this man and it means a lot for everyone living with the virus. We might want to pretend its not that big of a deal in 2015 but in the end we all know that still today there is a lot of stigma and emotional damage to those living with HIV.


    Thanks for sharing
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    charlitos666 saidThats was cute, it made me cry icon_sad.gif

    In the beginning people were a bit weirded out but slowly they found out he wasnt some crazy person. Touching video, it obviously meant a lot for this man and it means a lot for everyone living with the virus. We might want to pretend its not that big of a deal in 2015 but in the end we all know that still today there is a lot of stigma and emotional damage to those living with HIV.


    Thanks for sharing

    You're a good man, Charlie Brown. That was well said and I agree with you 100%.
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    Jun 29, 2015 1:25 AM GMT
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    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?


    What in the world is wrong with an HIV- person desiring to stay disease free? Isn't it common sense to not want diseases? You can't ask people to sacrifice sound thinking just to save someone's feelings. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person requesting DDF partners, as long as it's done in a polite manner. It's idiotic to bash someone for this.


    In green I agree. But the DDF, usually followed by Ub2, is presumptuous. Add an old test date of 11/12/14 and it's disastrous.
    It presumes that you are recently tested. And have tested repeatedly. And that you haven't had risky sex since then....or even just before testing.

    In fact serosorting between Negative men is NOT considered a safer sex strategy. 1/4 to 1/3 don't even know they have HIV.


    "Furthermore, recent research using data obtained from Sydney's 2014 Gay Community Periodic Survey
    has foundthat 39.6% of PLHIV limit condomless sex to partners of the same status (serosorting) (1), while 32.6% of HIV negative men actively employ serosorting as a risk reduction strategy (1).

    ACON does not endorse serosorting in casual sexual encounters as an effective HIV prevention
    strategy for HIV negative men, on the grounds that ascertaining the current HIV negative status of
    even a familiar casual partner is inherently unreliable."


    http://www.acon.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf

    Putting "DDF, UB2" in an ad doesn't make it so.
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    Jun 29, 2015 5:14 AM GMT
    Ddf is legitimate since most people want bfs, and both are deal breakers, so why not let people know before subjecting them to the in between steps? Why waste peoples time? Yes you may not know for sure, but you can eliminate those mismatches that do exist, and after 3 months you can be more sure.
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    Apparition saidDdf is legitimate since most people want bfs, and both are deal breakers, so why not let people know before subjecting them to the in between steps? Why waste peoples time? Yes you may not know for sure, but you can eliminate those mismatches that do exist, and after 3 months you can be more sure.


    What "both" are deal breakers?

    If DDF is your method of serosorting between Gay Negative men, where both merely say they are negative, it is inherently dangerous.

    If Australia is typical, 32% serosort Neg:Neg. And 1/4 don't know they are Positive. That is a HUGE risk. As ACON says at least wear condoms till you do know, or refrain from riskier sex.

    So after 3 months you can be more sure? You couldn't be sure to begin with, but are more sure now? That is totally illogical. Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? There are 50,000 new cases of HIV every year, and this is exactly how it is most often spread. Not by someone malicious, but someone who is just like you, a "negative" date, trick or a boyfriend. A very small percentage are from people like "Mandingo" or Guerra who "knowingly" expose a partner to HIV.

    If you are fucking around, and/or worried about HIV, why not go on PrEP?

    I'd like to see negative Gay men be proactive. Instead of whining about it, TAKE THE INITIATIVE and stop HIV with you. You can stop it! You can prevent yourself from getting HIV, and thus prevent others from getting it too. That is the "community" benefit.

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    Jun 29, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
    That was touching, thanks for sharing!
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    Jun 29, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?

    and for people who are negative how can we understand how a positive person feels ? I think perhaps he is newly diagnosed and is still feeling raw ... I have many + friends and they "deal" quite admirably after a while ... and how many people did not touch him ...and notice how many of them were women !...

    I quote this from the article
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    If you don’t have HIV/AIDS, you will never be able to understand the daily struggles that these individuals go through. Ever since the epidemic began in the 1980’s, there has been a worldwide fear of contracting the virus. Originally, it was not known how you actually got HIV/AIDS, but now the science has progressed to the point that individuals who test positive can live long and normal lives with the help of modern medicine. There is still a stigma attached to the virus, however, although it cannot be contract through means like touch.

    Many people contract HIV/AIDS through sexual contact, but you cannot get it from just being around someone who is infected. You must come into contact with certain bodily fluids from the infected individual and even then you do not have a 100% chance of getting the virus. Regardless of these facts, people still fear coming into contact with HIV-positive individuals. You do not need to run to your local health department for STD testing after you touch someone with HIV.

    A man in Finland recently put these fears to the test and put up a sign in a park which simply stated, “I am HIV-positive. Touch me!”

    Janne waited and soon individuals began touching his hands, patting him on the back and giving him hugs. It is clear to see that he is overwhelmed by the acceptance these people are showing him after years of feeling like an outsider. The best moment is when a mother stops pushing her stroller, explains the situation to her children and has them watch as she goes over to Janne and hugs him.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREQUOTE GOES HERE



    Some people don't want to date another person with a deadly disease living inside them; And that's their right. When you put yourself on a dating website you're exposing yourself to criticism, that's life.
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    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?

    and for people who are negative how can we understand how a positive person feels ? I think perhaps he is newly diagnosed and is still feeling raw ... I have many + friends and they "deal" quite admirably after a while ... and how many people did not touch him ...and notice how many of them were women !...

    I quote this from the article
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    If you don’t have HIV/AIDS, you will never be able to understand the daily struggles that these individuals go through. Ever since the epidemic began in the 1980’s, there has been a worldwide fear of contracting the virus. Originally, it was not known how you actually got HIV/AIDS, but now the science has progressed to the point that individuals who test positive can live long and normal lives with the help of modern medicine. There is still a stigma attached to the virus, however, although it cannot be contract through means like touch.

    Many people contract HIV/AIDS through sexual contact, but you cannot get it from just being around someone who is infected. You must come into contact with certain bodily fluids from the infected individual and even then you do not have a 100% chance of getting the virus. Regardless of these facts, people still fear coming into contact with HIV-positive individuals. You do not need to run to your local health department for STD testing after you touch someone with HIV.

    A man in Finland recently put these fears to the test and put up a sign in a park which simply stated, “I am HIV-positive. Touch me!”

    Janne waited and soon individuals began touching his hands, patting him on the back and giving him hugs. It is clear to see that he is overwhelmed by the acceptance these people are showing him after years of feeling like an outsider. The best moment is when a mother stops pushing her stroller, explains the situation to her children and has them watch as she goes over to Janne and hugs him.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREQUOTE GOES HERE



    Some people don't want to date another person with a deadly disease living inside them; And that's their right. When you put yourself on a dating website you're exposing yourself to criticism, that's life.


    Dating is one thing, saying someone has a "deadly disease living inside of them" is ghastly. You make it sound like an Alien is going to pop out at any moment. That's fear and stigma speaking.

    When you put DDF in your profile you are exposing yourself to the other misinformed. (OH GEEZ, he's DDF too!!! <<< what a moron!)

    I'd be curious to know what you knowledge is about HIV/undetectable. No, I don't want you to date someone who is POZ or Undetectable. You'd be too mentally unstable to handle it, better off for the POZ person if you didn't.

    But there are many serodiscordant couple out there. Mentally healthy and physically healthy. Not infecting their partner.

    That HIV/Undetectable person may outlive you, for most in the USA it's an equal life span....and a manageable illness.

    Here's why I say a single HIV test is meaningless:
    "... in all cities but Barcelona the majority of gay men with HIV did not know they had it – despite a majority of them having taken an HIV test in the last year. Indeed, having taken an HIV test in the previous year was associated positively with undiagnosed HIV infection."

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Most-gay-men-with-HIV-in-central-European-capitals-are-undiagnosed-survey-has-found/page/2973921/

    TEST and TEST often!
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    Jun 29, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    Interesting experiment. I did note that I only saw one man touch the guy, the rest were women.
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    Jun 29, 2015 11:19 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    NealJohn said
    secondstartotheright said
    Radd saidThis seems overly dramatic to me. I can see where this would be a great demonstration in the 80's or possibly even the 90's, but in 2015, what kind of idiot would be afraid to touch an HIV+ person? icon_neutral.gif


    it is a bit dramatic with the music ... and I could not have just stood there with my eyes shut ...

    but still to this day there is such a stigma attached ...on dating sites how many times have we discussed the guys who write no DDF in their profiles ?

    and for people who are negative how can we understand how a positive person feels ? I think perhaps he is newly diagnosed and is still feeling raw ... I have many + friends and they "deal" quite admirably after a while ... and how many people did not touch him ...and notice how many of them were women !...

    I quote this from the article
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE
    If you don’t have HIV/AIDS, you will never be able to understand the daily struggles that these individuals go through. Ever since the epidemic began in the 1980’s, there has been a worldwide fear of contracting the virus. Originally, it was not known how you actually got HIV/AIDS, but now the science has progressed to the point that individuals who test positive can live long and normal lives with the help of modern medicine. There is still a stigma attached to the virus, however, although it cannot be contract through means like touch.

    Many people contract HIV/AIDS through sexual contact, but you cannot get it from just being around someone who is infected. You must come into contact with certain bodily fluids from the infected individual and even then you do not have a 100% chance of getting the virus. Regardless of these facts, people still fear coming into contact with HIV-positive individuals. You do not need to run to your local health department for STD testing after you touch someone with HIV.

    A man in Finland recently put these fears to the test and put up a sign in a park which simply stated, “I am HIV-positive. Touch me!”

    Janne waited and soon individuals began touching his hands, patting him on the back and giving him hugs. It is clear to see that he is overwhelmed by the acceptance these people are showing him after years of feeling like an outsider. The best moment is when a mother stops pushing her stroller, explains the situation to her children and has them watch as she goes over to Janne and hugs him.

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREQUOTE GOES HERE



    Some people don't want to date another person with a deadly disease living inside them; And that's their right. When you put yourself on a dating website you're exposing yourself to criticism, that's life.


    Dating is one thing, saying someone has a "deadly disease living inside of them" is ghastly. You make it sound like an Alien is going to pop out at any moment. That's fear and stigma speaking.

    When you put DDF in your profile you are exposing yourself to the other misinformed. (OH GEEZ, he's DDF too!!! <<< what a moron!)

    I'd be curious to know what you knowledge is about HIV/undetectable. No, I don't want you to date someone who is POZ or Undetectable. You'd be too mentally unstable to handle it, better off for the POZ person if you didn't.

    But there are many serodiscordant couple out there. Mentally healthy and physically healthy. Not infecting their partner.

    That HIV/Undetectable person may outlive you, for most in the USA it's an equal life span....and a manageable illness.

    Here's why I say a single HIV test is meaningless:
    "... in all cities but Barcelona the majority of gay men with HIV did not know they had it – despite a majority of them having taken an HIV test in the last year. Indeed, having taken an HIV test in the previous year was associated positively with undiagnosed HIV infection."

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Most-gay-men-with-HIV-in-central-European-capitals-are-undiagnosed-survey-has-found/page/2973921/

    TEST and TEST often!



    I call it a deadly disease, because it is a deadly disease. In fact, it's listed as the top 10 deadliest diseases of all time. So I'm sorry that I'm not sugarcoating it but it is what it is. And for the record, I would never play around with somebody who is undetectable. Chalk it up to a lack of education or a sense of self-preservation. I don't really care