"What's "WRONG" with us? The Medico-Legal Constructs of Domination & Power.

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 29, 2015 11:14 AM GMT
    I'm throwing this out after posting on another thread, in which someone seems to be asking for "help" about social anxiety. I'm not citing the thread, as it's only tangential to my concern.

    I have had this concern since I was a teenager and first read Michel Foucault's "Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison" (published in English in 1977).

    We often forget that the construction of the "system" of categorization of human beings into various "infringements against society" is relatively new (200 years, say. I am discounting religious and quasi-religious persecutions, such as the Inquisition).

    So, without lecturing on my entire "thesis" here - and I am NOT SUGGESTING that there are not people with serious psychiatric illnesses who cannot be helped via any combination of pharmacological or other therapeutic treatments - my point(s):

    (1) Can I no longer be deeply shy, awkward at a party, fearful of speaking before groups: "Just" that. Or must I have "Social Anxiety DISORDER"?

    (2) Can't I be a bit over the top, more selfish than most, but the life of the party, and maybe too full of myself: "Just" that. Or must I have "Narcissistic Personality DISORDER."?

    (3) Can't I be such a sensitive human being that my responses to the world and its madness, the complexities of human relationships, and my equally complex reactions to them are: "Just" that. Or must I have "Borderline Personality DISORDER."?

    My dad has a number of friends whom he refers to as, "Nuts, but harmless." But, of course, that doesn't make anybody any... MONEY.

    If we stop to think of the money medical doctors, psychologists, therapists of all sorts, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics, insurance providers, lawyers, expert witnesses, the court system, the prison system, MAKE on this very recent "construct".... is this all about "helping people", or is it all about yet another system of "experts classifying" in order to....make money? And worse: a "system" based on domination and power over other human beings.

    My guess is, we have become so used to this "system", that we have simply now accepted it as an integral part of society, and fooled ourselves into thinking it's helping.... when all I am is... "a little shy in public."

    I've been trying to "formulate" my ideas on all of this for quite some time, so any feedback is welcome.





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    Jun 30, 2015 12:15 PM GMT
    The way I see it if it is is the person feels it is disruptive enough to their life to seek medical attention, it's a disorder. If it's a minor inconvenience and something they can live with, it's a personality quirk.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 30, 2015 12:35 PM GMT
    Thanks.
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    Jun 30, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
    Mental desorders are just LABELS ! Some lingo used by professionals to talk about their patients, the study they're leading etc. It is just a way to create methodology to help more efficiently, based on what has already been tried with other people with similar problems.

    Ontop of that, labeling a problem can somehow be soothing for a patient : because (s)he can realize that his/her problem is real, and know that other people live through similar things too !

    Of course... their is a pharmaceutical lobby : they want to make money selling their "magical pills". But I think a good psychologist / psychotherapist must look beyond the labels, and consider medication just as a crutch. The patient can temporarely lean on it, but in the end, strive to walk without it (although, for some disorders, this crutch can be permanent...)

    In the end, what matters is what the patient is suffering from in his/her everyday life ! And how (s)he can be helped, and taught how to face his/her problem in an efficient and satisfying way (from the patient's point of view I mean). A construct created to refer to a population must not be simply applied on a specific human beeing ! At least, that's the way I see psychotherapy.

    The difference between "healthy" and "disorder" is not a simple line to cross, it is a spectrum, full of nuances. Depending on the patient, a "same level" of disorder can be pathological for one, and quite healthy for another ! There are several criterias to consider to evaluate things ! Like mentioned before, the consequences on the everyday life is one of them.

    I'm gonna stop there, but I can tell more if there are curious people :p
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 30, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
    Thanks!
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    Jul 01, 2015 3:21 AM GMT
    I've been "diagnosed" with ADHD three times (first time in 6th grade - last time at age 23) and haven't been to a shrink since. All they do is take my money and feed me pills that make me feel lethargic and take away my natural creativity.

    Now I refer to my condition as "Hyperactive Attention," in that my attention stays focused on things that interest ME, instead of what some quirky doc thinks I should be paying attention to. Oh and it's not a "disorder" - it's a blessing.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 01, 2015 5:13 AM GMT
    Thanks, Paul!
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    Jul 01, 2015 5:53 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidThanks, Paul!
    You're welcome. icon_biggrin.gif

    And you're absolutely right. If you want to take your thesis into the realm of quantitative research with statistics and stuff, I'd be more than willing to offer my two cents on personal experiences with the medico-legal field and how the "system" it set up to dis-empower people with certain abilities. My ability is being able to tune out boring shit while focusing on more important tasks.

    When the engine quit in my plane last year, "ADHD" was the only thing that got it back on the ground safely, cause I was able to tune out all the other variables (ATC transmissions, etc) and fly the "heavy glider" back to a safe place to land...even though it wasn't a runway.
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    Jul 01, 2015 7:10 AM GMT
    Below is Wiki's précis of problems with the latest Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), of the American Psychiatric Association.

    (1) "The fifth edition was criticized by various authorities both before and after it was formally published. Critics assert, for example, that many DSM-5 revisions or additions lack empirical support; inter-rater reliability is low for many disorders; several sections contain poorly written, confusing, or contradictory information; and the psychiatric drug industry unduly influenced the manual's content. Various scientists have argued that the DSM-5 forces clinicians to make distinctions that are not supported by solid evidence, distinctions that have major treatment implications, including drug prescriptions and the availability of health insurance coverage. General criticism of the DSM-5 ultimately resulted in a petition signed by 13,000, and sponsored by many mental health organizations, which called for outside review of the document."

    (2) And even though they were "kind" enough to remove us ("homosexuality") from their little "playbook" in 1973, we forget they REPLACED it with this (which was not "removed" until..... 1986):

    "Subsequently, a new diagnosis, ego-dystonic homosexuality, was created for the DSM's third edition in 1980. Ego dystonic homosexuality was indicated by: (1) a persistent lack of heterosexual arousal, which the patient experienced as interfering with initiation or maintenance of wanted heterosexual relationships, and (2) persistent distress from a sustained pattern of unwanted homosexual arousal."

    (3) The original intent of psychotherapy and the medical discipline of psychiatry notwithstanding, is it me, or is this crowd beginning to look like the bunch of confused, pseudo-scientific, power-hungry, insurance-bought-and-paid-for charlatans that I suspect many of them are?

    Throw in my own conspiratorial and greedy profession (from every possible angle we can) to "back them up" and give them legal legitimacy... and bob's your uncle?

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 01, 2015 7:21 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    WrestlerBoy saidThanks, Paul!
    You're welcome. icon_biggrin.gif

    And you're absolutely right. If you want to take your thesis into the realm of quantitative research with statistics and stuff, I'd be more than willing to offer my two cents on personal experiences with the medico-legal field and how the "system" it set up to dis-empower people with certain abilities. My ability is being able to tune out boring shit while focusing on more important tasks.

    When the engine quit in my plane last year, "ADHD" was the only thing that got it back on the ground safely, cause I was able to tune out all the other variables (ATC transmissions, etc) and fly the "heavy glider" back to a safe place to land...even though it wasn't a runway.


    Yes!! And that's hitting the nail right on the head, from the other end. I am enjoying Jan Swafford's relatively new biography of Beethoven. If this anti-social, badly groomed, clearly bipolar "looney", who was only ever interested in ONE THING (the piano) to the "detriment" of everything else in life, including "stable relationships", had been presented to a psychologist as a kid, he would have been institutionalized by the time he was 10.

    And instead, right now, of listening to music that sounds like humanity actually reaching up and touching the face of god, I'd be getting encouragement from... Madonna.
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    Jul 01, 2015 7:49 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI've been "diagnosed" with ADHD three times (first time in 6th grade - last time at age 23) and haven't been to a shrink since. All they do is take my money and feed me pills that make me feel lethargic and take away my natural creativity.

    Now I refer to my condition as "Hyperactive Attention," in that my attention stays focused on things that interest ME, instead of what some quirky doc thinks I should be paying attention to. Oh and it's not a "disorder" - it's a blessing.









    A good lobotomy is all you need to calm ALL of your asses down.

    As told by many here, my mom, teachers etc.....Shut the fuck up!

    haha

    Maybe gay people have more brain power. Maybe we are smarter than the average. Intelligence vs. intuition? Maybe it's more than we all know.
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    Jul 01, 2015 8:27 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidI've been "diagnosed" with ADHD three times (first time in 6th grade - last time at age 23) and haven't been to a shrink since. All they do is take my money and feed me pills that make me feel lethargic and take away my natural creativity.

    Now I refer to my condition as "Hyperactive Attention," in that my attention stays focused on things that interest ME, instead of what some quirky doc thinks I should be paying attention to. Oh and it's not a "disorder" - it's a blessing.









    A good lobotomy is all you need to calm ALL of your asses down.

    As told by many here, my mom, teachers etc.....Shut the fuck up!

    haha

    Maybe gay people have more brain power. Maybe we are smarter than the average. Intelligence vs. intuition? Maybe it's more than we all know.
    You might be onto something more profound than you can even imagine (or maybe have imagined but just haven't put it into words).

    Here are the words.

    According to the majority of religious texts I've read (raised fundamentalist Christian), man was created before woman; and the only reason woman was created is because our "all-knowing" creator couldn't figure out any other way to achieve reproduction.

    Now scientists have figured out a way to achieve human reproduction without a second gender, through stem cell research and cloning. Is this starting to sound weird? Just wait ... and read ...

    According to all research available, we're all originally female as an embryo. Then through some magical process (misunderstood by most including me) we get an extra chromosome that makes us male. That way we're able to fuck females and make new people.

    Fast-forward a few million years and now we're able to reproduce humans without gender differences.

    So to clarify your hypothesis, yes, gays really are smarter than the average bear (not including the fat hairy guys at leather bars who drive annoyingly-loud Harleys to assert their masculinity).

    I'd love to dig deeper into the rabbit hole, but I really got to get some sleep cause I wanna go ride my bike down some awesome downhill trails tomorrow and need some rest. Hiking trails is fun, but bombing down the trails on a bike is even "funner." icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 01, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said...compartmentalize and categorize a person. That's what medical practitioners do, basically. They deconstruct you and label you...

    At Sloan Kettering I defied categorization. Maybe because I identify with the personality quirk comment.