Real Jock UTOPIA

  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 28, 2009 1:01 PM GMT
    Just get back from a short vacation in Koh Phi Phi, Thailand. One of the places I visit was Maya Beach, the same beach where they shoot the movie "The Beach" with Leonardo De Carpio. Sitting on this secluded beach (unfortunately to many other tourist around), with amazing view, emerald like sea water and white powder like sand. I cant help to imaging how it is , if we in Real Jock is given the same option. Live in this utopia haven , in a perfect setting , where no straight invention law can touch us. All of us from different race, nationality, faith, ethnic live in this hidden paradise doing nothing but having fun and goodtimes.

    Of course in the movie its ended with tragedy. It just a crazy thought but I cant get if off my mind.
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    Jan 28, 2009 2:21 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidLive in this utopia haven, in a perfect setting... doing nothing but having fun and goodtimes.

    Yes, and we call it Wilton Manors, Florida, USA. LOL! Well, maybe not quite, but not too bad, either.

    Yeah, I think a lot of us have wished for something like that. Just like the Quakers in the US once did, the Amish and others, have our own community that's insulated from the rest of the world.

    My main concern would be how well we'd run the place, because even Paradise needs some structure when humans are living there. My subjective experience is that gays are like herding cats: each one independent and adverse to authority. Hard to make a community function well under those terms.

    Much as I hate to say this, sometimes I think we have a symbiotic relationship with straights. We need them to run the place, and they need us to make it look pretty. LOL!
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    Jan 28, 2009 2:24 PM GMT
    Why don't we plan something for 2012 and just be on an island altogether??? icon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gif
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    Jan 28, 2009 2:43 PM GMT
    ZiMsTeR saidWhy don't we plan something for 2012 and just be on an island altogether??? icon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gif

    Is that on an island IN our altogether? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 28, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    Okay, I'm officially blonde. icon_lol.gif
  • Rookz

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    Jan 28, 2009 5:13 PM GMT
    How about we make our OWN utopia on where we live?

    The only difference is that the straight laws which try to constrict our community are abolished by people who desire happiness for everyone, gays & straight alike. It sounds like a fantasy, but it can be done. It is a long fight but we WILL have our rights.

    So how about we stop sitting down fantasizing to ourselves, get together with like minded individuals and join organization(s) to support for a better world.

    Another make-believe thought...
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:07 PM GMT
    Thailand, Oh how I love you. A sweet forbidden fruit that tempts me at every turn. Something magical and forgiving. Unleashing my inner being with no remorse. A kiss of tropical wonder awaits me still.
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    Jan 28, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
    Oh I have no doubt any utopia *cough* erected by gays would fall into catfighting anarchy in a few hours... unless war is declared immediately on another nation - like the Vatican! icon_twisted.gif
  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 28, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
    Aninamous,

    I am a regular to Thailand. I probably there for weekend get away , nearly every month. After all Thailand is a neighbouring country, cheap , easy to go to (by bus) , a lot more fun and less conservative than my own country.

    Let me brief you on Thailand. Koh Phi Phi is really just a small island catering for just tourist . On the little town itself you see more tourist than Thai people. I have explore every bit of the little town but cant find any evidence of gay oriented establishment there. However if you are into eye candy , there is A LOT of muscular (mostly Western tourist) walking by some just wearing swimming trunk all tanned up, with six packs abs and some of the most handsomest men I have ever see. One guy are so huge he look like he just step down from winning Mr Universe. I will place Koh Phi Phi as the sexiest straight destination I have ever been.

    Unlike other tourist place in Thailand like Pattaya (Boy Town), Phuket, Bangkok (Patpong 3) and even Chiengmai , usually there a section for gays
    and those sickening stuff of sleazy Thai Boys for hire, men to men massage , lady boys, gay sauna (Babylon in Bangkok is great) and gay dancing clubs ,you cant find those things here.

    Koh Phi Phi is not a place for a gay foreign expatraite to move to. But the larger Phuket or Koh Samui is a much better alternative. And yes, I have heard a lot of westerner living there , owning properties and having business.
  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 30, 2009 6:51 PM GMT
    Anin,

    Let me know if you did somehow move to Thailand. Probably I can be assistance to you since I live just south of the border in Malaysia. Probably I can visit you or vice versa. I can also show you around Thailand , Malaysia and other country in South East Asia since I am a regular traveller to this countries.

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    Jan 30, 2009 8:15 PM GMT
    ZiMsTeR saidOkay, I'm officially blonde. icon_lol.gif

    Were you referring to my question about whether we'd be on that island in our altogether? "In the altogether" is an old euphemism for being naked.
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    Jan 30, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidUnlike other tourist place in Thailand like Pattaya (Boy Town), Phuket, Bangkok (Patpong 3) and even Chiengmai , usually there a section for gays and those sickening stuff of sleazy Thai Boys for hire...


    Apparently Thailand has been a destination for US men looking for sex with young boys, but I think there were some recent US court cases were the men were successfully prosecuted in the US for pedophilia committed over there.

    In 2002 my partner and I relocated within the US, and began building a circle of gay friends in our new city. We accepted an invitation to a cocktail party at the home of someone we didn't know, but his social circle included some gay guys we had already met.

    At one point our host was giving us a tour of his house, including his office/study, where he demonstrated his new computer and a fancy music system. On a table I was shocked to see some magazines with young Asian boys on their covers. Our host saw me notice them, and happily began an explanation.

    These were magazines he got from Thailand, where he claimed it was legal to photograph boys only 13 or so engaged in sex acts and provocative poses. He went on to say that he visited Thailand once or twice a year, for a "sex holiday" where he enjoyed the services of boys that young. And all the time he was smiling and seemed quite proud of himself, adding that it was all entirely legal there, not criminal at all.

    Trying to hold my temper, I mumbled something about my not believing boy sex was right under any circumstances. He became momentarily distracted by some other guests, and my partner & I went back to the living room.

    We discussed our horror at what we'd just learned, and decided to stay in that house not a minute longer. We made a few quick good-byes to the others, and finally to our host. Out in the car we vowed to never return, which we never did, though we got a few more invites afterwards. We also began to avoid his circle of friends, not wishing to associate with anyone who would tolerate that behavior, and who might be practitioners themselves.

    Does Thailand still permit that sort of thing? I hope not. The exploitation of children sickens me, and the thought that some gay Americans help support it shames me.
  • dionysus

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    Jan 30, 2009 8:55 PM GMT
    my "utopia heaven" is the marine base beach north of oceanside. sweet god.
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    Jan 31, 2009 8:02 AM GMT
    hm, i doubt that straights is the main problem for gays not being happy )

    and, utopia will not last long in the presence of most people (their race or orientation/preferences is not an issue)..) any heaven would be spoilt by the crowd..

    heaven is comfortable for pure souls.. Or, you mean Sex_Heaven =))))))
    Anyway, look at Ibiza history - 30 years ago it was SH! Just keep in mind - globalization :-! How quick hype and PR now spread..

    And, to Red_Vespa's example - see, how some people just want to be legally perverts..) How wierd - and in my humble opinion, it's not very rare among closeted gays. Does anyone want them on "my own private island"?.

    ..so, in a nutshell, i doubt harmony built on sexual orientation principles.. )
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    Jan 31, 2009 8:36 AM GMT
    Btw, i suppose - RJ has some core long-term community members because it's about Fitness, Health, Mentality in the first place. It's not just gay site.
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    Jan 31, 2009 10:15 AM GMT
    there are plenty of people who would love nothing more than all us gays moving to an island somewhere far away from them!


    but on a lighter note: we'd have to have straights with us, i mean who is going to clean the toilets, sweep the streets and collect the trash? icon_lol.gif

    and personally i'd really miss all the straight boys at my gym, they're so cute and innocent.
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    Jan 31, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    dakuk said

    and personally i'd really miss all the straight boys at my gym, they're so cute and innocent.


    yeah, me too! Btw, straight innocent gym boys - they are looking 200% gay but.. probably this bloody extra hundred makes them very straight (God bless them btw! =))