If ISIL had burned down 4-7 Churches, it would have been Headline News

  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:03 AM GMT
    If ISIL had burned down 4 Churches, it would have been Headline News


    http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/burned-churches-headline.html
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:04 AM GMT
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:07 AM GMT
    Latest blow to black AME churches in SC: Letters threaten to kill women pastors and their children


    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/latest-blow-to-black-ame-churches-in-sc-letters-threaten-to-kill-women-pastors-and-their-children/
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:08 AM GMT
    Greeleyville AME church seventh burned across South in wake of Emanuel shooting

    http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150630/PC16/150639930/1177/fire-crews-responding-to-blaze-at-african-american-church-in-greeleyville
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:08 AM GMT
    KKK plans S.C. Statehouse rally, says Dylann Roof ‘was heading in the right direction’


    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/kkk-plans-s-c-statehouse-rally-says-dylann-roof-was-heading-in-the-right-direction/
  • irishkcguy

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    Jul 02, 2015 11:51 AM GMT
    I though they'd burned 7 churches and not just 4.
  • metta

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    Jul 02, 2015 1:18 PM GMT
    irishkcguy saidI though they'd burned 7 churches and not just 4.


    Yes, I have read that 7 have burned. Various stories give different numbers.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 02, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
    The behavior of some "Christians" is abominable. Regarding the threat to kill female pastors, some "Christians" believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches. To support their position, they can quote from at least one of St. Paul's epistles. However, even if those excessively literally minded people believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches, clearly they are violating Christian principals by either threatening or engaging in violence.

    There are "Christians" who oppose racial mixing in any form. Although there is no religious text that can be used to support their position without distorting and twisting it, they insist that they are acting in accordance with the Will of God.

    Another thing these "Christians" do is send hate mail, which often includes obscenities and death threats, to people who oppose permitting public school officials to lead students in prayer. These people would be as bad as ISIS if they had the capability.

    What these people fail to realize is that they are causing people to turn away from all organized religion.
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    Jul 02, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    metta8 saidIf ISIL had burned down 4 Churches, it would have been Headline News


    http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/burned-churches-headline.html


    Huh? I've seen this reported on FNC, the WSJ, and in many diverse media sources, though I don't watch "Headline News;" it's too dumb. Here's a much more accurate and sober story from the WSJ that avoids speculating and jumping to conclusions:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/officials-investigate-burned-black-church-in-south-carolina-1435771702

    All of which begs the question, just how much coverage is enough?
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    Jul 02, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    irishkcguy saidI though they'd burned 7 churches and not just 4.


    Yes, I have read that 7 have burned. Various stories give different numbers.


    All of which illustrate the paucity of serious investigative reporting and willingness to exaggerate this matter.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    metta8 said
    irishkcguy saidI though they'd burned 7 churches and not just 4.


    Yes, I have read that 7 have burned. Various stories give different numbers.


    All of which illustrate the paucity of serious investigative reporting and willingness to exaggerate this matter.


    The media cannot be trusted to report accurately.

    Many think that the purpose of the media is to inform the public. That is not the purpose!

    The purpose of the media is to maximize profits of the media owners. That is most effectively done by entertaining the public to maximize audience size. Thus there are typically two people reading the news on TV, usually a man and a woman. They read alternate lines as part of the effort to entertain. Stories are interrupted at crucial moments to ensure that the public will not change channels during commercials. Controversy is generally avoided so as not to irritate certain segments of the public since doing so could cause them to change channels. Announcements and headlines are made as attention-grabbing and lurid as possible so as to attract attention. Often reporters and journalists are not familiar with the subject and, because they fail to have items checked for accuracy, there are many errors. Important background information, which is necessary to fit information into context, is rarely covered.

    Getting accurate information requires accessing several sources but even then one cannot always determine what the truth is.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 02, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidThe behavior of some "Christians" is abominable. Regarding the threat to kill female pastors, some "Christians" believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches. To support their position, they can quote from at least one of St. Paul's epistles. However, even if those excessively literally minded people believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches, clearly they are violating Christian principals by either threatening or engaging in violence.

    There are "Christians" who oppose racial mixing in any form. Although there is no religious text that can be used to support their position without distorting and twisting it, they insist that they are acting in accordance with the Will of God.

    Another thing these "Christians" do is send hate mail, which often includes obscenities and death threats, to people who oppose permitting public school officials to lead students in prayer. These people would be as bad as ISIS if they had the capability.

    What these people fail to realize is that they are causing people to turn away from all organized religion.


    You believe in a mythological anthropomorphic god with male anatomy. That's inherently misogynistic. Women play a very minor role in The Bible, and women's roles in the cult have been very specified, most notably as either virgin mother or repentant whore.

    As for the end to organized religion: good riddance to bad rubbish. Historically, Christianity has not coexisted with other cults. The US is thought by many to be a Christian nation, and that's because of genocide and forced conversion of the natives to this land. Everywhere in the world where Christianity spreads it usurps other cultures or forever battles against other myth based religions for supremacy. From the first genocide against the Jews, to the burning of black churches, the history of Christian imperialism is the story of white supremacy in the west.
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    Jul 02, 2015 7:17 PM GMT
    It's been Headline News on Fox:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4332450764001/historic-black-church-burned-to-ground-in-south-carolina/?#sp=show-clips

    Liberals: your media lies to you by omission.

  • FRE0

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    Jul 02, 2015 8:42 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    FRE0 saidThe behavior of some "Christians" is abominable. Regarding the threat to kill female pastors, some "Christians" believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches. To support their position, they can quote from at least one of St. Paul's epistles. However, even if those excessively literally minded people believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches, clearly they are violating Christian principals by either threatening or engaging in violence.

    There are "Christians" who oppose racial mixing in any form. Although there is no religious text that can be used to support their position without distorting and twisting it, they insist that they are acting in accordance with the Will of God.

    Another thing these "Christians" do is send hate mail, which often includes obscenities and death threats, to people who oppose permitting public school officials to lead students in prayer. These people would be as bad as ISIS if they had the capability.

    What these people fail to realize is that they are causing people to turn away from all organized religion.


    You believe in a mythological anthropomorphic god with male anatomy. That's inherently misogynistic. Women play a very minor role in The Bible, and women's roles in the cult have been very specified, most notably as either virgin mother or repentant whore.

    As for the end to organized religion: good riddance to bad rubbish. Historically, Christianity has not coexisted with other cults. The US is thought by many to be a Christian nation, and that's because of genocide and forced conversion of the natives to this land. Everywhere in the world where Christianity spreads it usurps other cultures or forever battles against other myth based religions for supremacy. From the first genocide against the Jews, to the burning of black churches, the history of Christian imperialism is the story of white supremacy in the west.


    It makes no sense for you to tell me what I believe. Your powers of telepathy are clearly quite lacking as evidenced by your statement.

    Let us not forget that conversion to Christianity was responsible for ending the Viking raids. Surely erudite people can find many other examples where Christianity has greatly improved the quality of people's lives by reducing violent and unjust behavior. The fact is that religion, including Christianity, has had a checkered history. Presenting only the negative shows a lack of commitment to balance.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 02, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    FRE0 saidThe behavior of some "Christians" is abominable. Regarding the threat to kill female pastors, some "Christians" believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches. To support their position, they can quote from at least one of St. Paul's epistles. However, even if those excessively literally minded people believe that only men should be in leadership rôles in churches, clearly they are violating Christian principals by either threatening or engaging in violence.

    There are "Christians" who oppose racial mixing in any form. Although there is no religious text that can be used to support their position without distorting and twisting it, they insist that they are acting in accordance with the Will of God.

    Another thing these "Christians" do is send hate mail, which often includes obscenities and death threats, to people who oppose permitting public school officials to lead students in prayer. These people would be as bad as ISIS if they had the capability.

    What these people fail to realize is that they are causing people to turn away from all organized religion.


    You believe in a mythological anthropomorphic god with male anatomy. That's inherently misogynistic. Women play a very minor role in The Bible, and women's roles in the cult have been very specified, most notably as either virgin mother or repentant whore.

    As for the end to organized religion: good riddance to bad rubbish. Historically, Christianity has not coexisted with other cults. The US is thought by many to be a Christian nation, and that's because of genocide and forced conversion of the natives to this land. Everywhere in the world where Christianity spreads it usurps other cultures or forever battles against other myth based religions for supremacy. From the first genocide against the Jews, to the burning of black churches, the history of Christian imperialism is the story of white supremacy in the west.


    It makes no sense for you to tell me what I believe. Your powers of telepathy are clearly quite lacking as evidenced by your statement.

    Let us not forget that conversion to Christianity was responsible for ending the Viking raids. Surely erudite people can find many other examples where Christianity has greatly improved the quality of people's lives by reducing violent and unjust behavior. The fact is that religion, including Christianity, has had a checkered history. Presenting only the negative shows a lack of commitment to balance.

    I never told you what you believe. You told me what you believe/proselytize when you said you were Christian. All Christians believe in God the Father creator of Heaven and earth, and Jesus Christ his only Son. These are anthropomorphic gods, meaning non human mythological characters that have human characteristics. Calling your diety a father makes him a man. That is why the Christian God is distinctly male, as opposed to genderless or amorphous. If what I'm saying doesn't align with your beliefs then you're certainly not an Episcopal Christian, because you are refusing to acknowledge the tenets of your own religion.
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    Jul 02, 2015 9:22 PM GMT
    metta8 saidIf ISIL had burned down 4 Churches, it would have been Headline News


    You may hear of it but nothing effective to stop it will likely be done.

    This is the United States...those who are on the receiving end of the destruction are not part of the..."social demographic" as the majority of those who inherently enjoy the best to be had in this country.
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    Jul 02, 2015 11:34 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidIf ISIL had burned down 4 Churches, it would have been Headline News


    http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/burned-churches-headline.html


    Huh? I've seen this reported on FNC, the WSJ, and in many diverse media sources, though I don't watch "Headline News;" it's too dumb. Here's a much more accurate and sober story from the WSJ that avoids speculating and jumping to conclusions:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/officials-investigate-burned-black-church-in-south-carolina-1435771702

    All of which begs the question, just how much coverage is enough?


    The WSJ sucks for anything other than stocks and the economy.
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    Jul 03, 2015 12:31 AM GMT
    We need to call this what it is...terrorism by racist
  • metta

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    Jul 03, 2015 1:16 AM GMT
    FRE0 said

    The media cannot be trusted to report accurately.

    Many think that the purpose of the media is to inform the public. That is not the purpose!

    The purpose of the media is to maximize profits of the media owners. That is most effectively done by entertaining the public to maximize audience size.


    What is sad is that it was not always like that. When the first television networks were created, in order to use the federal air waves, networks were required to provide listeners with news to inform the public. It was thought of as a public service, not a profit center. Being that in order for democracy to work, the citizens need to be informed. Then 60 Minutes was created by CBS which showed that news reporting could be profitable. After that, it just got worse and worse.

    What we really need is a totally independent, non-profit, government financed news source. Anything that is financed with donations or advertising is at risk for manipulation. It would need to be government financed but the government would have no control as to the content other than requiring that they accurately inform the public on current issues in the US and around the World. And the people working for that news source would not be allowed to take any donations or take on work from other individuals/companies/organizations/entities in order to keep it independent.

    Of course, if we were able to get that...this would constantly be under threat of removing the finance, especially by those politicians that don't want the public to be informed.
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    Jul 03, 2015 1:24 AM GMT
    Here's ISIS celebrating the SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage by murdering gays:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/28/isis-executes-four-men-suspected-of-being-gay-as-the-us-legalises-same-sex-marriage/
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    Jul 03, 2015 1:31 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    FRE0 said

    The media cannot be trusted to report accurately.

    Many think that the purpose of the media is to inform the public. That is not the purpose!

    The purpose of the media is to maximize profits of the media owners. That is most effectively done by entertaining the public to maximize audience size.


    What is sad is that it was not always like that. When the first television networks were created, in order to use the federal air waves, networks were required to provide listeners with news to inform the public. It was thought of as a public service, not a profit center. Being that in order for democracy to work, the citizens need to be informed. Then 60 Minutes was created by CBS which showed that news reporting could be profitable. After that, it just got worse and worse.

    What we really need is a totally independent, non-profit, government financed news source. Anything that is financed with donations or advertising is at risk for manipulation. It would need to be government financed but the government would have no control as to the content other than requiring that they accurately inform the public on current issues in the US and around the World. And the people working for that news source would not be allowed to take any donations or take on work from other individuals/companies/organizations/entities in order to keep it independent.

    Of course, if we were able to get that...this would constantly be under threat of removing the finance, especially by those politicians that don't want the public to be informed.

    Thanks for making the case to defund left wing NPR and PBS which are controlled by government Liberals and funded by taxpayers.
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    Jul 03, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    So we officially have some douchebags on this forum equating ISIS (or whatever they want to go by now) to Christianity. Which is only logical because Chrisitianty is the worst thing to ever have happened to the world isn't it? ISIS you see, is the way it is because of the imperial, genocidal, Christian west, and as such we should just take what we deserve.

    I just lost 10 IQ points reading these posts. And I already blocked metta8s poats
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    Jul 03, 2015 2:09 AM GMT
    DTOBIN2013 saidWe need to call this what it is...terrorism by racist


    True

    Lightning is racist

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/02/black-church-fire-south-link_n_7718476.html
  • Jeepguy2

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    Jul 03, 2015 2:30 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    DTOBIN2013 saidWe need to call this what it is...terrorism by racist


    True

    Lightning is racist

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/02/black-church-fire-south-link_n_7718476.html


    I guess God must have joined the Ku Klux Klan. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 03, 2015 2:57 AM GMT
    Okay... before I scrolled to read comments I did a search for "news on church arson"

    Here's what I got in order with no changes

    Church fires not usually arson; weather found as cause in SC
    San Francisco Gate · 5 minutes ago

    Church fires common, but usually not the result of arson
    Yahoo News · 17 hours ago

    Investigators believe three black church fires were likely arson
    Metro International · 10 hours ago

    Church Arson - Breaking News and Opinion on The
    www.huffingtonpost.com/news/church-arson

    Church fires in Tennessee investigated for possible arson ...
    www.cbsnews.com/news/church-fires-in-tennessee...for-possible-arson
    CBS news !!!!!! YAAAAA!!!!! I checked this one hoping to find something about this bullshit Metta posted... Nope... two fires one or two days before January 15th 2015 were investigated for possible arson.


    Now let me make a real life analogy to this... First thing this morning I opened an email with a link to rightwingwatch.com about "The Ten Plagues Of Gay Marriage: Conservatives Warn Of Terrorist Attacks, War And Prison Due To SCOTUS Ruling."

    I read it... guess what? It's absolute pure catshit spouted off - to be accurate - Not CONSERVATIVES but flaky ass fundamentalist idiots saying gays ...........

    1. Are causing a rise in terror attacks
    2. We're going to force straight people to have gay sex
    3. Scotus ruling caused thunder and flood in DC
    4. Food Shortages because God is going to punish the US for gay marriage
    5, Preachers will be thrown in prison for praching
    6. Discussing gays in the media will be censored
    7. We'll be responsible for govt taking kids away from Christians
    8. Gay Marriage will lead to Civil War
    9. Pedophillia is legal
    10, Christianity will be criminalized

    I'm sure everyone of you is laughing at that bullshit. Just more examples of how stupid fundamentalist are. I checked the names they grabbed this bullshit from. Most of them are so frigging out on the fringe they don't have wiki pages or are on facebook.

    So here's the analogy. All right wing watch was trying to do was stir up gays to dislike fundamentalists even more... don't get me wrong in the past 10 years this is the only problem I've had with them and I let them know it. It's time to stop stirring up shit and getting busy resolving shit. We won, great! Now let's not rub it in their faces but try to make peace.

    All this lame ass link Metta does is the same thing... It's just stirring up shit between blacks and whites that doesn't even exist... Already THREE OF THE CHURCH FIRES have been determined to have been cause by goddamned LIGHTNING... ONE WAS AN ELECTRIC FIRE... I don't know if you're aware that Fire Marshals are better funded than Crime labs because most arsons are done for insurance money and the insurance companies give fire marshals any type of equipment they want before they ask for it. If any of the fires were arson you can bet your butt no one would be sitting on it to keep it out of the media...

    BUT back on topic lame fucker named Juan Cole just needed to blame white people for something.. the same way fundamentalists are blaming gays for everything but the crucifiction. <(spelled correctly)

    FUCK why not blame it God for hitting three of their churches with his damned lightning bolts and be call it a day? Maybe he's hating on black churches (the most homophobic churches BY FAR in the USA) like he was hating on SCOTUS for ruling for gay marriage.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ten-plagues-gay-marriage-conservatives-warn-terrorist-attacks-war-and-prison-due-scotus-ruli#sthash.FcBu5pUF.dpuf