Homosexuality or Gay culture is really the exclusive domain of White men given that it was widely practiced in WhIte cultures/societies as opposed to Non White Ones Discuss

  • Matthew56

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    Jul 06, 2015 8:45 AM GMT
    Given that male homosexuality was as ancient history attest was widely practiced in white cultures/societies. Or societies where the white race was dominant I.e the Greco-Roman society as opposed to non white societies. It may come as a little surprise that some white gay men may feel that homosexuality is exclusive to them or the exclusive domain since it was widely practiced in ancient white cultures.

    Thus some white gay men feel subconsciously or consciously that non white gay men are excluded from gay culture sexually and non sexually as Homosexuality was more dominant in white cultures/societies than non -white societies, This then gives rise to a feeling of inherent superiority particularly in a sexual context in some white men as they would feel that they are the authors of gay culture, the ones that built it up and the modern gay media stokes up or alleviates these superior feelings with the continual promotion of white men and the idealised image of the white gay men being the ultimate gay man

    Anyone agree been thinking about this for a while
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2015 9:25 AM GMT
    "The 'homosexuality is un-African' myth is anchored on an old practice of selectively invoking African culture by those in power. African women are familiar with the mantra. “It is un-African” whenever they assert their rights, particularly those rights that involve reproductive autonomy and sexual sovereignty.

    The mistaken claim that anything is un-African is based on the essentialist assumption that Africa is a homogeneous entity. In reality, however, Africa is made up of thousands of ethnic groups with rich and diverse cultures and sexualities. As appealing as the notion of African culture may be to some people, no such thing exists. Moreover, even if we wanted to imagine an authentic African culture, like all others, it would not be static.

    African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

    The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

    Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan)."

    SOURCE:
    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/homosexuality-africamuseveniugandanigeriaethiopia.html
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  • Matthew56

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    Jul 06, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    Anyone else think want to contribute to the discussion
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    Jul 06, 2015 3:36 PM GMT
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    Jul 06, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    Matthew56 saidAnyone else think want to contribute to the discussion


    Yes, a couple points. The mistaken belief that homosexuality was practiced in white dominant cultures is perhaps based upon the fact that those cultures used writing to document the evidence of that practice, while others did not. Correct me if I err, but homosexuality has been documented along the ancient Chinese, Hindu, Arab, Hebrew, Assyrian, Babylonia, Egyptian, and other cultures that acquired writing, as well as a few that did not. E.g., Samoan was not a written language until after Europeans first entered its lands, but homosexuality was practiced and tolerated there.

    Second, I don't know any one racial or cultural group who feels that homosexuality is exclusive to it, though there are certain individuals in those groups who feel that they alone have the exclusive right to define and speak for the homosexual community, which is as inaccurate as it is unfortunate. Any one person or group who does believe that should be dismissed and disregarded as presumptuous.
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    You say that as if you're the first rehearsing homosexual to claim it. Regardless, I am holding the gay chalice ransom until you've renounced your evil Republican ways.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 06, 2015 6:29 PM GMT
    Racism is a social construct, like religion. It's a form of tyranny, like monotheism. The real reason we have variations in pigmentation has to do with the UV index of where our ancestors lived. Sexuality is much more complicated and misunderstood. It has nothing to do with where our ancestors lived. We can't see it, but in many cultures people are forced to hide it, including in white xtian culture for most of its checkered history.icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 06, 2015 8:48 PM GMT
    I love being white.
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    Jul 06, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    I love light complected meat, let them try to be insistent.
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    Jul 06, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
    Gay people have been found in every culture. It ain't a white thang.
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    Jul 06, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    Africa is a shit hole anyways. Who cares?
  • Apparition

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    Jul 06, 2015 10:26 PM GMT
    with enough makeup, you can be gay and any race you want...pick one you feel comfortable with.
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    Jul 06, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    I do not think that gay culture is confined to white culture. However, I will acknowledge that one may receive that impression by observing the gay demographic in America. But to be fair, white Americans are still the majority in this country so it makes sense that they will have more gays than other ethnic groups.
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    Jul 06, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    interesting read; likely hood of gay interracial relationships:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/gay-couples-interracial-interethnic-2010-census_n_1456613.html
  • johnnyqhomo7

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    Jul 07, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    Where are you getting your information? In African culture homosexuality was practiced in many tribes. In fact, most if not all the cultures have homosexuals in it. I think its a gift from God that we are so diverse and special as gays.
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    MGINSD said
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    You say that as if you're the first rehearsing homosexual to claim it. Regardless, I am holding the gay chalice ransom until you've renounced your evil Republican ways.


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    Jul 07, 2015 2:19 AM GMT
    Matthew56 saidGiven that male homosexuality was as ancient history attest was widely practiced in white cultures/societies. Or societies where the white race was dominant I.e the Greco-Roman society as opposed to non white societies. It may come as a little surprise that some white gay men may feel that homosexuality is exclusive to them or the exclusive domain since it was widely practiced in ancient white cultures.

    Thus some white gay men feel subconsciously or consciously that non white gay men are excluded from gay culture sexually and non sexually as Homosexuality was more dominant in white cultures/societies than non -white societies, This then gives rise to a feeling of inherent superiority particularly in a sexual context in some white men as they would feel that they are the authors of gay culture, the ones that built it up and the modern gay media stokes up or alleviates these superior feelings with the continual promotion of white men and the idealised image of the white gay men being the ultimate gay man

    Anyone agree been thinking about this for a while


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    Jul 07, 2015 2:26 AM GMT
    P.S.: A while back I added to my library a scholarly book on homosexuality in African cultures.

    Didn't take long to find it on amazon:

    Boy-Wives and Female Husbands: Studies of African Homosexualities Paperback – February 3, 2001
    by Will Roscoe (Author), Stephen O. Murray (Author)

    Claims concerning the presence and status of homosexuality in historic African cultures have become central points of contention in debates among contemporary African Americans. Some of those involved in the debate have even asserted that the original languages of Africa contained no words for gay or lesbian, therefore concluding that they did not exist. As the first work of its kind on the subject, Boy-Wives and Female-Husbands answers an urgent need for accurate, well-researched, and balanced work on African sexuality. It offers perspectives from the fields of anthropology and history, along with extensive evidence from ethnographic and literary sources. The essays explore such topics as woman-woman marriages, early reports of Malagasy "berdaches," male homosexuality in contemporary West Africa, alternative gender identities among the Swahili, the regulation of sexuality in colonial Zimbabwe, and the portrayals of homosexuality in modern African literature. Bound to be an invaluable resource for discussions of traditional and contemporary African cultures, Boy-Wives and Female-Husbands is a book whose time has clearly come.
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    Jul 07, 2015 2:27 AM GMT
    First it was "I hate being black, no one likes black men", then it was "OMG, some white guy who likes black guys messaged me, that's racist, I feel dirty", now it's "being gay is only for white men". You just go from one nonsense argument to another.
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    Jul 07, 2015 3:10 AM GMT
    pazkilimanjaro saidanybody think that the op is a white supremacist or someone like kiwilifter trolling trying to "pose" as a black guy via the picture to make it seem genuine? it's so pathetic. most of these folks that supposedly "hate" black people so really are obsessed with black people to the point where they have us on their mind more than their own damn selves. sometimes, i just wonder what's keeping all of us from just reporting this white supremacist posing as a black guy to kick his or her ass off this site. ya'll are soft. if enough people would have reported whoever this lame is instead of typing actual replies, we wouldn't even have to see this troll anymore.



    Maybe you should just wonder about filling out a job application instead of what other people are thinking?
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 3:19 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidP.S.: A while back I added to my library a scholarly book on homosexuality in African cultures.

    Didn't take long to find it on amazon:

    Boy-Wives and Female Husbands: Studies of African Homosexualities Paperback – February 3, 2001
    by Will Roscoe (Author), Stephen O. Murray (Author)

    Claims concerning the presence and status of homosexuality in historic African cultures have become central points of contention in debates among contemporary African Americans. Some of those involved in the debate have even asserted that the original languages of Africa contained no words for gay or lesbian, therefore concluding that they did not exist. As the first work of its kind on the subject, Boy-Wives and Female-Husbands answers an urgent need for accurate, well-researched, and balanced work on African sexuality. It offers perspectives from the fields of anthropology and history, along with extensive evidence from ethnographic and literary sources. The essays explore such topics as woman-woman marriages, early reports of Malagasy "berdaches," male homosexuality in contemporary West Africa, alternative gender identities among the Swahili, the regulation of sexuality in colonial Zimbabwe, and the portrayals of homosexuality in modern African literature. Bound to be an invaluable resource for discussions of traditional and contemporary African cultures, Boy-Wives and Female-Husbands is a book whose time has clearly come.

    The word homosexuality is fairly new to the English language. I think prior to that, there were only euphemisms, such as, the love that dare not speak its name, or derogatory words, like sodomite.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 3:26 AM GMT
    pazkilimanjaro saidanybody think that the op is a white supremacist or someone like kiwilifter trolling trying to "pose" as a black guy via the picture to make it seem genuine? it's so pathetic. most of these folks that supposedly "hate" black people so really are obsessed with black people to the point where they have us on their mind more than their own damn selves. sometimes, i just wonder what's keeping all of us from just reporting this white supremacist posing as a black guy to kick his or her ass off this site. ya'll are soft. if enough people would have reported whoever this lame is instead of typing actual replies, we wouldn't even have to see this troll anymore.

    I've wondered that too. There are quite a few of them on here.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 07, 2015 3:28 AM GMT
    The word homosexuality is "slightly" older than the word "heterosexuality", and for obvious reasons (can't define a "norm" unless you know what "abnormal" is).

    But your construct (that we simply called "gay" people "something else") just isn't borne out by the scholarship.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 3:41 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidThe word homosexuality is "slightly" older than the word "heterosexuality", and for obvious reasons (can't define a "norm" unless you know what "abnormal" is).

    But your construct (that we simply called "gay" people "something else") just isn't borne out by the scholarship.

    Do you have an example of a word in the English language that means homosexual and is not a direct reference to the act of buttsecks, or meant as slur?