Muslims gather money to rebuild burnt Black churches

  • metta

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    Jul 07, 2015 3:49 PM GMT
    Muslims gather money to rebuild burnt Black churches


    http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/muslims-gather-money-to-rebuild-burned-black-churches-295/
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 5:08 PM GMT
    Good for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)
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    Jul 07, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    metta8 saidMuslims gather money to rebuild burnt Black churches


    http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/muslims-gather-money-to-rebuild-burned-black-churches-295/


    If true, a great humanitarian thing to do.
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    Jul 07, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.
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    Jul 07, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!
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    Jul 07, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.
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    Jul 07, 2015 6:04 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.

    Does anyone here actually think I've done anything unforgivable? Or do they actually think their god would rather put in me a furnace than have me around?

    I ask, because these are the questions that make me think pious religious people are so fucking creepy they make my skin crawl. Like they actually think that they'll be vindicated by acceptance from a god who is an evil authoritarian dictator.icon_eek.gif

    The tyranny of monotheism is horrifying. Why do people pray to such a cruel father?icon_cry.gif
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    Jul 07, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    Yes, it should "send a great message". However, don't underestimate the ability of some people to twist the motives into something sinister. My guess is that the probability that that will happen exceeds 50%.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 7:42 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    Yes, it should "send a great message". However, don't underestimate the ability of some people to twist the motives into something sinister. My guess is that the probability that that will happen exceeds 50%.

    Let's hope not. I think secular and religious folk alike would be safer if these two massive religions would stop fighting for dominance.
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    Jul 07, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.

    Does anyone here actually think I've done anything unforgivable? Or do they actually think their god would rather put in me a furnace than have me around?

    I ask, because these are the questions that make me think pious religious people are so fucking creepy they make my skin crawl. Like they actually think that they'll be vindicated by acceptance from a god who is an evil authoritarian dictator.icon_eek.gif

    The tyranny of monotheism is horrifying. Why do people pray to such a cruel father?icon_cry.gif


    I'm not especially pious. Actually, I'm much more concerned with how people treat each other than with what they profess to believe. In theory, that is an important part of Christianity.

    When Jesus was asked which is the most important commandment, He replied as follows (NIV Mat 22:34+):

    "34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    That is referred to as the Summary of the Law. When Jesus recited it, he was actually quoting from the OT. Many theologians see it as the ENTIRE law and everything else simply as commentary. Any law that is incompatible with the Summary of the Law is not binding which makes it clear that much of the OT is not binding and that much of what the ancient Hebrews did was unacceptable. Following that, Jesus used the parable of the Good Samaritan to expand greatly the definition of neighbor.

    Of course it is inescapably obvious that many people, including Christians, find excuses to justify violating the Summary of the Law, or at least the second part of it. One would think that wise people of all religions or no religion could agree on the second part of the Summary of the Law. If actually followed, surely the world would be a much better place in which to live.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.

    Does anyone here actually think I've done anything unforgivable? Or do they actually think their god would rather put in me a furnace than have me around?

    I ask, because these are the questions that make me think pious religious people are so fucking creepy they make my skin crawl. Like they actually think that they'll be vindicated by acceptance from a god who is an evil authoritarian dictator.icon_eek.gif

    The tyranny of monotheism is horrifying. Why do people pray to such a cruel father?icon_cry.gif


    I'm not especially pious. Actually, I'm much more concerned with how people treat each other than with what they profess to believe. In theory, that is an important part of Christianity.

    When Jesus was asked which is the most important commandment, He replied as follows (NIV Mat 22:34+):

    "34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    That is referred to as the Summary of the Law. When Jesus recited it, he was actually quoting from the OT. Many theologians see it as the ENTIRE law and everything else simply as commentary. Any law that is incompatible with the Summary of the Law is not binding which makes it clear that much of the OT is not binding and that much of what the ancient Hebrews did was unacceptable. Following that, Jesus used the parable of the Good Samaritan to expand greatly the definition of neighbor.

    Of course it is inescapably obvious that many people, including Christians, find excuses to justify violating the Summary of the Law, or at least the second part of it. One would think that wise people of all religions or no religion could agree on the second part of the Summary of the Law. If actually followed, surely the world would be a much better place in which to live.

    The second part is golden. The first part doesn't make sense. Why would a magnanimous, supreme being command people to love him? Anyone with a heart knows that you can't command people to love you by instilling them with fear of punishment if they don't. That's not love at all. That's tyranny. It makes me want to cry, because it's so cruel that people think that that's what love it.
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    Jul 07, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.

    Does anyone here actually think I've done anything unforgivable? Or do they actually think their god would rather put in me a furnace than have me around?

    I ask, because these are the questions that make me think pious religious people are so fucking creepy they make my skin crawl. Like they actually think that they'll be vindicated by acceptance from a god who is an evil authoritarian dictator.icon_eek.gif

    The tyranny of monotheism is horrifying. Why do people pray to such a cruel father?icon_cry.gif


    People are not created in god's image. People create their god in their own image so I'd imagine there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind putting you in a furnace than have you around.
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    Jul 07, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.

    Does anyone here actually think I've done anything unforgivable? Or do they actually think their god would rather put in me a furnace than have me around?

    I ask, because these are the questions that make me think pious religious people are so fucking creepy they make my skin crawl. Like they actually think that they'll be vindicated by acceptance from a god who is an evil authoritarian dictator.icon_eek.gif

    The tyranny of monotheism is horrifying. Why do people pray to such a cruel father?icon_cry.gif


    I'm not especially pious. Actually, I'm much more concerned with how people treat each other than with what they profess to believe. In theory, that is an important part of Christianity.

    When Jesus was asked which is the most important commandment, He replied as follows (NIV Mat 22:34+):

    "34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    That is referred to as the Summary of the Law. When Jesus recited it, he was actually quoting from the OT. Many theologians see it as the ENTIRE law and everything else simply as commentary. Any law that is incompatible with the Summary of the Law is not binding which makes it clear that much of the OT is not binding and that much of what the ancient Hebrews did was unacceptable. Following that, Jesus used the parable of the Good Samaritan to expand greatly the definition of neighbor.

    Of course it is inescapably obvious that many people, including Christians, find excuses to justify violating the Summary of the Law, or at least the second part of it. One would think that wise people of all religions or no religion could agree on the second part of the Summary of the Law. If actually followed, surely the world would be a much better place in which to live.


    But people are not violating the Summary of the Law! They truly love their god with all the heart and soul. The trouble is is that their god is just a reflection of themselves. It's a fact that cannot be escaped. If there truly is a god then he is so far beyond our comprehension we can only piece together a god of our devising.

    Jesus's god what just a reflection of who he was. That's why his followers had to believe he is god and were subsequently thrown out of Judaism.
  • ASHDOD

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    Jul 07, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
    well ,the ''dailypakistan'' sounds like a bit of a fishy source....
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe saidGood for them! I think that will send a great message.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a secular humanist.)


    And all this time, I thought you are a devout Catholic.

    Yeah, I just really like to be subversive and send mixed messages. My plan is to confess my sins and throw a bunch of money at the Vatican before I die. There's just too much air pollution here on earth, so I'm looking forward to being with all the other Catholics in heaven.... I do pity the other religions who are being led to hell, but, hey, the pope is very vocal, and so they can't say they didn't have their chance to convert!!

    Peace to all the Catholics. Put your hands and Hail Mary in the house!!


    No question, you'll have much to say in confession.

    Does anyone here actually think I've done anything unforgivable? Or do they actually think their god would rather put in me a furnace than have me around?

    I ask, because these are the questions that make me think pious religious people are so fucking creepy they make my skin crawl. Like they actually think that they'll be vindicated by acceptance from a god who is an evil authoritarian dictator.icon_eek.gif

    The tyranny of monotheism is horrifying. Why do people pray to such a cruel father?icon_cry.gif


    People are not created in god's image. People create their god in their own image so I'd imagine there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind putting you in a furnace than have you around.

    If individuals don't like me for any reason, I shrug, but when an entire cult doesn't like me because I don't abide by their rules then there's a problem. That's when people start murdering in the name of their religion.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 07, 2015 9:48 PM GMT
    Ashdod saidwell ,the ''dailypakistan'' sounds like a bit of a fishy source....

    Yeah, I think we should wait to hear from the Christian Science Monitor.
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    Jul 07, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
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    Ashdod saidwell ,the ''dailypakistan'' sounds like a bit of a fishy source....

    Yeah, I think we should wait to hear from the Christian Science Monitor.


    Agree. Let's hear from a credible source.
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    Jul 07, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    Ashdod saidwell ,the ''dailypakistan'' sounds like a bit of a fishy source....

    Yeah, I think we should wait to hear from the Christian Science Monitor.


    Agree. Let's hear from a credible source.

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    Jul 07, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    Ashdod saidwell ,the ''dailypakistan'' sounds like a bit of a fishy source....

    Yeah, I think we should wait to hear from the Christian Science Monitor.


    Agree. Let's hear from a credible source.

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    Christian Science Monitor isn't spam, but is a trusted credible source. The other 'dailypakistan' I have no idea who they are and have never heard of them before.
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    Jul 07, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    Ashdod saidwell ,the ''dailypakistan'' sounds like a bit of a fishy source....

    Yeah, I think we should wait to hear from the Christian Science Monitor.


    Agree. Let's hear from a credible source.

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    Christian Science Monitor isn't spam, but is a trusted credible source. The other 'dailypakistan' I have no idea who they are and have never heard of them before.


    On the same page

    http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/blog/we-need-to-arrange-an-intervention-for-imran-khan/
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    People are not created in god's image. People create their god in their own image so I'd imagine there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind putting you in a furnace than have you around.

    Well one does have to wonder why the Christian image of God requires arms, 10 fingers, legs and eyes. Why does he walk? What does he need to hold in his hands? Isn't optical vision rather limited? And hearing with ears?

    Well, maybe you can rationalize that he has some kind of Super Hero powers, using human anatomical structures. But really, isn't a Supreme Being that looks like us rather suspect? Reminds me of the ancient Greeks with their Zeus, Apollo, and so forth. Are we really that much of an historical throwback for thousands of years? Maybe we should be wearing togas or chitons.
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    People are not created in god's image. People create their god in their own image so I'd imagine there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind putting you in a furnace than have you around.

    Well one does have to wonder why the Christian image of God requires arms, 10 fingers, legs and eyes. Why does he walk? What does he need to hold in his hands? Isn't optical vision rather limited? And hearing with ears?
    Maybe it's anthropomorphism.
    Maybe UndercoverMan is right.
    Maybe it's Maybelline.
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    UndercoverMan said
    People are not created in god's image. People create their god in their own image so I'd imagine there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind putting you in a furnace than have you around.

    Well one does have to wonder why the Christian image of God requires arms, 10 fingers, legs and eyes. Why does he walk? What does he need to hold in his hands? Isn't optical vision rather limited? And hearing with ears?

    Well, maybe you can rationalize that he has some kind of Super Hero powers, using human anatomical structures. But really, isn't a Supreme Being that looks like us rather suspect? Reminds me of the ancient Greeks with their Zeus, Apollo, and so forth. Are we really that much of an historical throwback for thousands of years? Maybe we should be wearing togas or chitons.


    The term image is not used in this context to mean the physical. God is supposed to be pure spirit. Any physicality only limits him to the spacial. God is supposed to transcend time and space. That's why man's image of god is always flawed.
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    Jul 08, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Art_Deco said
    UndercoverMan said
    People are not created in god's image. People create their god in their own image so I'd imagine there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind putting you in a furnace than have you around.

    Well one does have to wonder why the Christian image of God requires arms, 10 fingers, legs and eyes. Why does he walk? What does he need to hold in his hands? Isn't optical vision rather limited? And hearing with ears?

    Well, maybe you can rationalize that he has some kind of Super Hero powers, using human anatomical structures. But really, isn't a Supreme Being that looks like us rather suspect? Reminds me of the ancient Greeks with their Zeus, Apollo, and so forth. Are we really that much of an historical throwback for thousands of years? Maybe we should be wearing togas or chitons.


    The term image is not used in this context to mean the physical. God is supposed to be pure spirit. Any physicality only limits him to the spacial. God is supposed to transcend time and space. That's why man's image of god is always flawed.

    But you're a man, so your description must be flawed. Maybe you were too gender specific in your description?

    Lol, it's fun to make things up as we go along... And then to coerce people into believing them.
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    Jul 08, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
    Muslims should denounce ISIS.