You Don’t Have to Hate Anybody to be a Bigot

  • metta

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    Jul 09, 2015 6:23 AM GMT
    You Don’t Have to Hate Anybody to be a Bigot


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    Throughout American history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere religious reasons for treating other people badly.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/08/obama-administration-to-unveil-major-new-rules-targeting-segregation-across-u-s/?hpid=z5
  • Antarktis

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    Jul 09, 2015 10:06 AM GMT
    Had to pass this one out to a few people
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    Jul 09, 2015 12:19 PM GMT
    metta8 saidYou Don’t Have to Hate Anybody to be a Bigot


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    Throughout American history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere religious reasons for treating other people badly.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/08/obama-administration-to-unveil-major-new-rules-targeting-segregation-across-u-s/?hpid=z5


    By defining most bigots as religious, you just admitted your own:

    BIGOTRY: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

    and

    PREJUDICE: unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.
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    Jul 09, 2015 12:39 PM GMT
    Ah...but I hope *everyone* is a bigot - on some fronts.

    I mean, I *hope* we have a "stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own" when it comes to, oh, I don't know, the mass murder of Jews in the Holocaust, or the owning of slaves, or the sexual exploitation of young children.

    I most certainly *do* have a stubborn and complete intolerance for any creed, belief or opinion on these subjects that differ from my own.

    Much like "discrimination" there actually *is* a positive aspect to this word - it's just *mainly* used with it's negative aspect.

    The difference is that the people who fight for, example, same-sex marriage, are not trying to deny the right of opposite-sex marriage, but the ones fighting *against* it are.

    So, yes, those fighting for it are *entitled* to be bigots about it, the others are *not*.
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    Jul 09, 2015 1:14 PM GMT
    might hear; "cant love all of gods creations"
    at least let them eat cake tho
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    Jul 09, 2015 2:36 PM GMT
    Interesting how some would expand the definition of bigot, a largely subjective term, while contracting that of thieves, murderers, and rioters, which are surely more objective ones. The definition game's been going on since Descartes and it didn't end w/ Dr. Johnson or Mr. Webster.
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    Jul 09, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
    And the federal government should be doing this because....?
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 09, 2015 3:16 PM GMT
    KJSharp saidAnd the federal government should be doing this because....?

    Because they ought to clean up their own mess.... Or else the international community will have to step in with sanctions against us for violating human rights.
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 09, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    It is instructive to view the history of some of the instances of genuine and sincere people doing terrible things all in the name of their beliefs; things we now see as such.
    I wonder what future generations will think of our so called reasonable practices? Will we be found wanting?
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    Jul 09, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said

    By defining most bigots as religious, you just admitted your own:

    BIGOTRY: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.



    You are correct for pointing out the fallacy about bigots being mostly religious people.

    However, your hack attempt at redefining bigotry is telling. Those that you list are constructs of the mind (and a matter of choice). Bigotry against congenital traits is way more egregious, and conspicuously absent from your definition.
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    Jul 09, 2015 5:11 PM GMT
    I submit this:

    1. You don't need to be all accepting.
    2. You should be tolerant. If it's not in your face, and effecting your life...who cares?

    Now, if you think I should embrace you just because you like dick...no. We have a commonality, but, that doesn't instantly mean I'm your bud. Period.

    If you dye your hair purple, swish, and swoon, I WILL NOT be inviting you over, no matter how many times you tell me how hot I am. It just doesn't work like that. Not then; not now; not ever.

    Never forget...good JUDGEMENT protects us from BAD things. It may develop last in the brain, but, it's imperative to our normal development. Just because you are gay / bi / a different color...I will not forego my good judgement in dealing with you. I reserve the right to discriminate as to who will be in my home, my life, and who I want to work with. Doesn't make me a bigot. I'm still tolerant, but, you don't get a free pass for being a protected ass.

    Now, if you work in our SECULAR government, you don't get to decide. You have to do your job.
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    Jul 09, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    The article doesn't appear to mention bigotry, and some definitions do explicitly reference hatred.

    As for the dictionary.com definition, it can be read two completely different ways (being ambiguous between universal and existential quantification) which make it even weaker than it already would be compared to other definitions.

    M-W is better (bigot, not bigotry, in this case):

    : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


    Oxford splits the difference somewhat:

    Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself:


    I don't think the use of 'any', in the sense that a bigot is one who disagrees with even one opinion stubbornly, is really the common understanding; I think 'any' is meant to refer to the general case, especially in the omission of any reference to intolerance of people in general as opposed to the offending opinion itself.
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    Jul 09, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    metta8 saidYou Don’t Have to Hate Anybody to be a Bigot


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    Throughout American history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere religious reasons for treating other people badly.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/08/obama-administration-to-unveil-major-new-rules-targeting-segregation-across-u-s/?hpid=z5


    Throughout HUMAN history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere POLITICAL/SOCIAL/ECONOMIC reasons for treating other people badly.

    By singling out Religious American you just revealed YOUR bigotry. We often reveal more about ourselves when in speaking of others.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 09, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidYou Don’t Have to Hate Anybody to be a Bigot


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    Throughout American history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere religious reasons for treating other people badly.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/08/obama-administration-to-unveil-major-new-rules-targeting-segregation-across-u-s/?hpid=z5


    Throughout HUMAN history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere POLITICAL/SOCIAL/ECONOMIC reasons for treating other people badly.

    By singling out Religious American you just revealed YOUR bigotry. We often reveal more about ourselves when in speaking of others.

    Religion is an ideology. You can oppose an ideology without hating the other person.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 09, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
    @undercoverman, and btw I don't hate you, even though yesterday you said you would enjoy throwing rocks at me.
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    Jul 09, 2015 7:26 PM GMT
    I do so enjoy throwing rocks at you - metaphorically speaking of course.
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    Jul 09, 2015 7:39 PM GMT
    the real bigotry:
    Republicans would struggle to make opposition to same-sex marriage a winning issue in next November’s general election but more than half of Americans support it. There is still a clear majority of Republicans, 63%, who think the court’s decision last month to legalize gay marriage nationwide was wrong.



    reference:
    http://nypost.com/2015/07/09/almost-two-thirds-of-republicans-oppose-gay-marriage-ruling/
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    Jul 09, 2015 9:22 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    UndercoverMan said
    metta8 said...

    Throughout American history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere religious reasons for treating other people badly.

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    Throughout HUMAN history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere POLITICAL/SOCIAL/ECONOMIC reasons for treating other people badly.

    By singling out Religious American you just revealed YOUR bigotry. We often reveal more about ourselves when in speaking of others.

    Religion is an ideology. You can oppose an ideology without hating the other person.


    Sort of like love the sinner but hate the sin?
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    Jul 10, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    Did ya all hear about the guy who had five penises?
    His pants fit like a glove.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 10, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    HottJoe said
    UndercoverMan said
    metta8 said...

    Throughout American history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere religious reasons for treating other people badly.

    ...


    Throughout HUMAN history, most bigots have been nice folks who had sincere POLITICAL/SOCIAL/ECONOMIC reasons for treating other people badly.

    By singling out Religious American you just revealed YOUR bigotry. We often reveal more about ourselves when in speaking of others.

    Religion is an ideology. You can oppose an ideology without hating the other person.


    Sort of like love the sinner but hate the sin?

    Ugh, I hate that phrase. It's too often used by patronizing homophobes. I don't want love with strings attached, or a judgment on my marriage.

    Btw, when did you get to be so religious? I used to think you had a sense of humor, but you just seem to be pushing the Bible lately.icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 10, 2015 4:36 AM GMT
    I used to be a daily mass goer. Altar boy. Catechist. Choir member. Nearly considered religious life but I realized I would just be running away from my "problem." I continued on in the Church with the hope that god would answer my prayers and make me straight. I held up my end of the bargin - prayer, fasting, sacrificing, daily mass, bible study, but to no avail. All those things only resulted in my ability to quote scripture better than the devil and argue both sides of the coin.

    I love playing devil's advocate.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 10, 2015 3:23 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI used to be a daily mass goer. Altar boy. Catechist. Choir member. Nearly considered religious life but I realized I would just be running away from my "problem." I continued on in the Church with the hope that god would answer my prayers and make me straight. I held up my end of the bargin - prayer, fasting, sacrificing, daily mass, bible study, but to no avail. All those things only resulted in my ability to quote scripture better than the devil and argue both sides of the coin.

    I love playing devil's advocate.

    I think you do for Christianity what Donald Trump does for the GOP. And, for that, I adore you!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 10, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    Your adoration is what I live for.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 11, 2015 3:23 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidYour adoration is what I live for.

    Hmmm, I wonder if I should start charging a dollar for every fuck you give.icon_wink.gif