Latinos no longer a minority in California

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    Jul 09, 2015 4:31 PM GMT
    LA TimesThe demographers agreed: At some point in 2014, Latinos would pass whites as the largest ethnic group in California.

    Determining when exactly that milestone would occur was more of a tricky question. Counting people isn't like counting movie ticket receipts.

    The official confirmation had to wait until new population figures were released by the Census Bureau this summer. The new tally, released in late June, shows that as of July 1, 2014, about 14.99 million Latinos live in California, edging out the 14.92 million whites in the state.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html


    There you have it. Anyone who uses the term "minority" to refer to Latinos is now officially an idiot. Latinos are a majority in our most populous and wealthiest state.
    Affirmative action for whites when?
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 09, 2015 5:54 PM GMT
    No wonder the food has gotten so much better! icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 10, 2015 4:22 PM GMT
    One more reason to end affirmative action once and for all, for all. Of those CA "Latinos," how many are here illegally, and why are they still here? This house of race cards is going to make a big noise when it falls.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 10, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    I always considered most Latinos as white, but what difference does it make anyway? If we were more respectful of other people we wouldn't be disturbed by differences.

    From 1994 to 2004 I lived in Fiji. The population there is about 55% indigenous, 35% of ancestry from India, and about 10% other. The others consisted of a mix if people of Chinese ancestry and people of various ancestries. Obviously being "European" made me a tiny minority, but so what? I found it amusing that I was considered "European", especially considering that I've never even been to Europe. We were all humans. Some people were of mixed ethnicities and enjoyed talking about how it came about. I remember one man who had a Spanish name, was 1//4 Spanish, and 3/4 indigenous Fijian. A woman who was 1/2 indigenous Fijian and and 1/2 "European" was married to a man of 100% Chinese ancestry. Obviously their children were even more mixed. That sort of thing was not unusual. Many people with no Chinese ancestry attended the Chinese new year celebrations.

    People should get over their racial and ethnic hangups.
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    Jul 10, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    People should get over their racial and ethnic hangups.


    Then what will AryanH20P do for thread subjects?
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    FRE0 saidI always considered most Latinos as white, but what difference does it make anyway?


    Maybe it didn't make a difference in Fiji (and I'm sure it doesn't make a difference in most countries), but it does make a difference in America where the government is obsessed with slicing the population into minority groups and giving them special treatment, rights and goodies in exchange for votes.
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    Jul 10, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    FRE0 said
    People should get over their racial and ethnic hangups.


    Then what will AryanH20P do for thread subjects?


    It is he whom you should be asking. How could I possibly know?
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 10, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    FRE0 saidI always considered most Latinos as white, but what difference does it make anyway?


    Maybe it didn't make a difference in Fiji (and I'm sure it doesn't make a difference in most countries), but it does make a difference in America where the government is obsessed with slicing the population into minority groups and giving them special treatment, rights and goodies in exchange for votes.

    Don't worry. There's a politician out there trying to get your vote. His name is Donald Trump. He's against gay marriage, which is not a deal breaker for you, and he'll denigrate ethnic minorities to your ugly heart's content.

    There, now you have nothing to be a whiny little bitch about.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    HottJoe said
    AaronH20P said
    FRE0 saidI always considered most Latinos as white, but what difference does it make anyway?


    Maybe it didn't make a difference in Fiji (and I'm sure it doesn't make a difference in most countries), but it does make a difference in America where the government is obsessed with slicing the population into minority groups and giving them special treatment, rights and goodies in exchange for votes.

    Don't worry. There's a politician out there trying to get your vote. His name is Donald Trump. He's against gay marriage, which is not a deal breaker for you, and he'll denigrate ethnic minorities to your ugly heart's content.

    There, now you have nothing to be a whiny little bitch about.icon_rolleyes.gif


    And you HJ, are again left without having made any cogent comments other than your own usual bitchering.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 10, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    HottJoe said
    AaronH20P said
    FRE0 saidI always considered most Latinos as white, but what difference does it make anyway?


    Maybe it didn't make a difference in Fiji (and I'm sure it doesn't make a difference in most countries), but it does make a difference in America where the government is obsessed with slicing the population into minority groups and giving them special treatment, rights and goodies in exchange for votes.

    Don't worry. There's a politician out there trying to get your vote. His name is Donald Trump. He's against gay marriage, which is not a deal breaker for you, and he'll denigrate ethnic minorities to your ugly heart's content.

    There, now you have nothing to be a whiny little bitch about.icon_rolleyes.gif


    And you HJ, are again left without having made any cogent comments other than your own usual bitchering.

    He seems to think the white majority minority doesn't get fair treatment or special privileges. I think the angels are weeping.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • jjguy05

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    Jul 11, 2015 5:35 AM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    LA TimesThe demographers agreed: At some point in 2014, Latinos would pass whites as the largest ethnic group in California.

    Determining when exactly that milestone would occur was more of a tricky question. Counting people isn't like counting movie ticket receipts.

    The official confirmation had to wait until new population figures were released by the Census Bureau this summer. The new tally, released in late June, shows that as of July 1, 2014, about 14.99 million Latinos live in California, edging out the 14.92 million whites in the state.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html



    There you have it. Anyone who uses the term "minority" to refer to Latinos is now officially an idiot. Latinos are a majority in our most populous and wealthiest state.
    Affirmative action for whites when?



    1. Affirmative action isn't used nearly as often as you think; it's one of those hypothetical boogeymen that people love to talk about but that has very little effect on our lives.

    2. Latino and white are not mutually exclusive. The US media (like your article) makes this mistake all the time. The US Census designation for "Hispanic or Latino" refers to people of Spanish-speaking background, and they can be white, black, Indian/Native American, or a mixture of race. People in Mexico are of mostly mestizo (mixed American Indian and European descent). Argentines are of overwhelmingly White-European descent. Dominicans are of mixed black and white descent. Spaniards are -obviously- white people living in Europe. And the cultural differences between all these groups are as vast as they are between Americans, Australians, Brits, Irish, and Jamaicans. A Spaniard will feel a million times more at home in France than in Guatemala. An Argentine will feel more at home in Canada than in Bolivia. Spanish-speaking countries have little in common with each other, other than having been ruled by Spain's empire.

    3. In the US Census, people are asked to identify "race", and then in a separate question, whether they're "Hispanic/Latino" or not. You can identify yourself as White and Latino, and in fact many Latinos do. These terms, Hispanic and Latino are Americanisms (US). People in Latin America don't regard themselves as "Latino".

    4. According to the article, Latinos are still a minority within California. A minority refers to a group that makes up less than half the population. Within California, Latinos may be estimated to outnumber "whites" (i.e. non-Hispanic whites), buy they're still under 50% of California's population. Nationwide, "whites" (whether Hispanic whites are included or not) are still the majority of the population. If you include Hispanic whites, then whites are still the majority in California, and I have a hunch that many of them are completely anglocized and don't speak Spanish, which is common in Calfifornia.

    5. Who exactly is a "Latino" is ambiguous. "Latin America" refers to the parts of the Americas where they speak Latin-derived languages. Haitians speak French; Brazilians speak Portuguese, let alone Latin Europeans, let alone French-speaking Canadians...but in the US, "Latino" refers only to Spanish-speakers. What about Mayan Guatemalans? Welsh Argentines? Most Bolivians are of direct American Indian descent. And if you're half-Mexican, but born and raised in the US, live like a White Anglo culturally, and don't speak a lick of Spanish, are you "Latino"? "Latinos" are assimilating and intermarrying into the Anglo population just as European immigrants did before them, which is why we should take these numbers with a grain of salt. Are "Latinos" a "fast growing group"...or is it simply that a growing number of Americans have some ancestry from a Spanish-speaking country or region? There's supposedly 50 million "German Americans" in the US...where they hell are they? Where's all these millions of lederhosen-wearing German-speakers roaming around the US? Actually, they're just Americans with some German ancestry. "Latinos" are becoming like this too.

    So this whole conversation and controversy is just stupid, and you're just an uneducated moron jumping on the sensation bandwagon without knowing a damn thing about the world.
  • metta

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    Jul 11, 2015 6:01 AM GMT
    The Asian population is also growing:

    ASIANS: AMERICA'S FASTEST GROWING MINORITY

    "The Census Bureau projects a continuation of similar trends. Between 2013 and 2050, the Asian population (one-race) is expected to increase 115 percent to 34.3 million. This is more than four times the projected national growth rate over the period. The Hispanic population is projected to grow at a slightly lower rate, at 88 percent with a 2050 population of 101 million. The African-American population would continue with the slowest growth of ethnic minorities, adding 40 percent and reaching 16 million by 2050 (Figures 1 and 2), although they will grow faster than the Non-Hispanic White population, which is expected to decline by five percent."

    http://www.newgeography.com/content/004825-asians-americas-fastest-growing-minority
  • FRE0

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    Jul 11, 2015 6:18 AM GMT
    jjguy05 said
    AaronH20P said
    LA TimesThe demographers agreed: At some point in 2014, Latinos would pass whites as the largest ethnic group in California.

    Determining when exactly that milestone would occur was more of a tricky question. Counting people isn't like counting movie ticket receipts.

    The official confirmation had to wait until new population figures were released by the Census Bureau this summer. The new tally, released in late June, shows that as of July 1, 2014, about 14.99 million Latinos live in California, edging out the 14.92 million whites in the state.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html



    There you have it. Anyone who uses the term "minority" to refer to Latinos is now officially an idiot. Latinos are a majority in our most populous and wealthiest state.
    Affirmative action for whites when?



    1. Affirmative action isn't used nearly as often as you think; it's one of those hypothetical boogeymen that people love to talk about but that has very little effect on our lives.

    2. Latino and white are not mutually exclusive. The US media (like your article) makes this mistake all the time. The US Census designation for "Hispanic or Latino" refers to people of Spanish-speaking background, and they can be white, black, Indian/Native American, or a mixture of race. People in Mexico are of mostly mestizo (mixed American Indian and European descent). Argentines are of overwhelmingly White-European descent. Dominicans are of mixed black and white descent. Spaniards are -obviously- white people living in Europe. And the cultural differences between all these groups are as vast as they are between Americans, Australians, Brits, Irish, and Jamaicans. A Spaniard will feel a million times more at home in France than in Guatemala. An Argentine will feel more at home in Canada than in Bolivia. Spanish-speaking countries have little in common with each other, other than having been ruled by Spain's empire.

    3. In the US Census, people are asked to identify "race", and then in a separate question, whether they're "Hispanic/Latino" or not. You can identify yourself as White and Latino, and in fact many Latinos do. These terms, Hispanic and Latino are Americanisms (US). People in Latin America don't regard themselves as "Latino".

    4. According to the article, Latinos are still a minority within California. A minority refers to a group that makes up less than half the population. Within California, Latinos may be estimated to outnumber "whites" (i.e. non-Hispanic whites), buy they're still under 50% of California's population. Nationwide, "whites" (whether Hispanic whites are included or not) are still the majority of the population. If you include Hispanic whites, then whites are still the majority in California, and I have a hunch that many of them are completely anglocized and don't speak Spanish, which is common in Calfifornia.

    5. Who exactly is a "Latino" is ambiguous. "Latin America" refers to the parts of the Americas where they speak Latin-derived languages. Haitians speak French; Brazilians speak Portuguese, let alone Latin Europeans, let alone French-speaking Canadians...but in the US, "Latino" refers only to Spanish-speakers. What about Mayan Guatemalans? Welsh Argentines? Most Bolivians are of direct American Indian descent. And if you're half-Mexican, but born and raised in the US, live like a White Anglo culturally, and don't speak a lick of Spanish, are you "Latino"? "Latinos" are assimilating and intermarrying into the Anglo population just as European immigrants did before them, which is why we should take these numbers with a grain of salt. Are "Latinos" a "fast growing group"...or is it simply that a growing number of Americans have some ancestry from a Spanish-speaking country or region? There's supposedly 50 million "German Americans" in the US...where they hell are they? Where's all these millions of lederhosen-wearing German-speakers roaming around the US? Actually, they're just Americans with some German ancestry. "Latinos" are becoming like this too.

    So this whole conversation and controversy is just stupid, and you're just an uneducated moron jumping on the sensation bandwagon without knowing a damn thing about the world.


    Actually I have never quite understood the term "Latino".

    I have a neighbor whose ancestry is exclusively from Spain. His family spoke Spanish at home although they made sure that he learned English before starting school, so he is fully bilingual. His name could be either Spanish or Italian. He also has Jewish ancestry from Spain because some of his ancestors were secretly Jewish from the time the Jews and Muslims were expelled from Spain in 1492. Presumably he might be considered Latino, but he is definitely Caucasian. So, what is he? Does it really matter?

    There are also Italians whose names could just as well be Spanish, but surely they would not be considered to be Latino.

    The term "Latino" seems somewhat meaningless.

    It's past time for us to get over these unnecessary and sometimes destructive distinctions.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 11, 2015 6:22 AM GMT
    metta8 saidThe Asian population is also growing:

    ASIANS: AMERICA'S FASTEST GROWING MINORITY

    "The Census Bureau projects a continuation of similar trends. Between 2013 and 2050, the Asian population (one-race) is expected to increase 115 percent to 34.3 million. This is more than four times the projected national growth rate over the period. The Hispanic population is projected to grow at a slightly lower rate, at 88 percent with a 2050 population of 101 million. The African-American population would continue with the slowest growth of ethnic minorities, adding 40 percent and reaching 16 million by 2050 (Figures 1 and 2), although they will grow faster than the Non-Hispanic White population, which is expected to decline by five percent."

    http://www.newgeography.com/content/004825-asians-americas-fastest-growing-minority


    But Asians are of several different ethnicities many of which have clearly different facial appearances. They include people from India, China, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, etc. etc. There are also considerable different cultures among them. There are even considerably different cultures among people in India.

    This classifying of people is of questionable usefulness.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 11, 2015 6:24 AM GMT
    Figures ... The Americas' indigenous people get their land back after the Euro illegal immigrants use up all the water and start leaving the state in droves ... so now they are the majority again icon_rolleyes.gif
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    FRE0 saidI always considered most Latinos as white, but what difference does it make anyway?


    Maybe it didn't make a difference in Fiji (and I'm sure it doesn't make a difference in most countries), but it does make a difference in America where the government is obsessed with slicing the population into minority groups and giving them special treatment, rights and goodies in exchange for votes.
    Using your argument, the recent Supreme Court decision is giving "special rights" to gays. Sounds like the position of a bible thumper to me.
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    Jul 11, 2015 1:33 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    LA TimesThe demographers agreed: At some point in 2014, Latinos would pass whites as the largest ethnic group in California.

    Determining when exactly that milestone would occur was more of a tricky question. Counting people isn't like counting movie ticket receipts.

    The official confirmation had to wait until new population figures were released by the Census Bureau this summer. The new tally, released in late June, shows that as of July 1, 2014, about 14.99 million Latinos live in California, edging out the 14.92 million whites in the state.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html


    There you have it. Anyone who uses the term "minority" to refer to Latinos is now officially an idiot. Latinos are a majority in our most populous and wealthiest state.
    Affirmative action for whites when?
    They will no longer be a minority in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Florida in the very near future. Not that there is anything wrong with that because I find Hispanic men to be beautiful, friendly, and VERY HOTicon_biggrin.gificon_exclaim.gif
  • jjguy05

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    Jul 12, 2015 1:08 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThey will no longer be a minority in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Florida in the very near future.


    That's a shaky prediction. Read my comment above, particularly #5 but also #2.

    FRE0 said

    Actually I have never quite understood the term "Latino".

    I have a neighbor whose ancestry is exclusively from Spain. His family spoke Spanish at home although they made sure that he learned English before starting school, so he is fully bilingual. His name could be either Spanish or Italian. He also has Jewish ancestry from Spain because some of his ancestors were secretly Jewish from the time the Jews and Muslims were expelled from Spain in 1492. Presumably he might be considered Latino, but he is definitely Caucasian. So, what is he? Does it really matter?

    There are also Italians whose names could just as well be Spanish, but surely they would not be considered to be Latino.

    The term "Latino" seems somewhat meaningless.



    It's totally meaningless, and in fact some Latin Americans object to the term because it emphasizes the region's European heritage but ignores its American-Indian and African roots (Colombia, Panama, Brazil, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic all have large Black diasporas).

    The Latins were originally a tribe that lived in Central Italy, in the region the Romans were to later call Latium in Classical Latin, which in Modern Italian is Lazio. It's where Rome is located. They were an Indo-European tribe that came to central Italy from the Balkans (present-day Yugoslavia...before it was Slavic), crossed the Adriatic and settled in central Italy.

    Due to the Roman Empire, the Latin language spread to other areas. From Vulgar (colloquial) Latin came the various dialects of Italy, France, Romania, Iberia (Spain and Portugal), Wallonia (Belgium), and French/Italian Switzerland. During the 20th century, these dialects were merged into a handful of national and regional languages: Castilian/Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese, Standard French, Standard Italian, and Romanian-Moldovan through mass public education and mass media.

    Spain and Portugal in the 15th and 16th centuries built empires which especially had a long-lasting linguistic effect in the Americas. But even after independence, as recently as the 1860s, most Mexicans still spoke indigenous languages. The Mexican government strongly discouraged the indigenous languages, and promoted Spanish (Mexican variety) as the national, unifying language of the modern republic. In other countries, like Brazil and Argentina, the populations were mostly immigrant, like in the US (European in Argentina, and European-African in Brazil), and these immigrant populations assimilated into Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking society. Although some German-speaking communities lingered in parts of Brazil and Argentina for decades.

    The term "Latin America" wasn't coined until around the 1850s/1860s, and was especially promoted by France (under Napoleon III), which was building its own empire in Africa and Southeast Asia, and was looking to expand in the Americas. France promoted this idea of a "Latin" America, different from Anglo America (USA, Canada, and British Caribbean), and that this "Latin America" should, naturally, come under the influence of Latin France. Didn't quite work out as Latin Americans had just gotten rid of their Spanish rulers, they weren't looking for a new colonial ruler. (In 1864, France installed puppet-emperor Maximilian I in Mexico, who was overthrown by the Mexicans, hence this is what they observe on Cinco de Mayo...although they don't get drunk, that's only in the popular imagination of Americans).

    As for Spain-Italy: Southern Italy was, for a season, ruled by Spain. It's certainly possible that there's Italians with Spanish last names, and indeed isn't all that uncommon. Nor Spaniards with Italian last names. Thing is, Americans think that the other countries of the world don't interact with each other...we have this Americentric perspective. And it has a Eurocentric twist. We don't realize how similar Spain and Italy (and France) are to each other, and that European countries as a whole, even between Teutonic Europe, Slavic Europe, and Greco-Roman Europe, interact with each other far more than they do with the US...yet we lump all of Latin America together, despite the fact that Argentina has almost nothing in common with Guatemala, and that Brazil is more similar to the United States than it is to Ecuador.

    The term "Hispanic" first appeared in the US Census in 1970. It was an old, forgotten medieval word that referred to the culture and civilization of Spain (and "Lusitanic" referred to the culture and civilization of Portugal). The US resurrected it to refer to -and lump together- Spanish-speakers.

    Nor are all Hispanics immigrants. South Texans trace their ancestry to Mexicans that were already living there before the US took it over. New Mexico has a small population descended from Spaniards living there before the US took it over (via Mexico). Puerto Rico is a Spanish-speaking Caribbean island that the US took from Spain in 1898.