Bill Nye Explains Why Homosexuality is Perfectly Natural

  • Orland23

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    Jul 11, 2015 3:48 AM GMT
    Homosexuality is common in nature and our closest non-human ancestor the Bonobo have same-sex relationships. In fact same-sex relations are documented in over 500 species of animals ranging from primates to fruit flies.

    Take that to people that say homosexuality is not naturalicon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif

    http://www.gay.com/out/watch-bill-nye-explains-why-homosexuality-is-perfectly-natural
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 11, 2015 1:53 PM GMT
    Are you attempting the impossible which is educating and correcting all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballsicon_idea.gificon_question.gif
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    Jul 11, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
    It doesn't matter if it's "natural" or not. If we claim to live in a free society, we should be free to live our lives as we please as long as we're not hurting others. Period.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 11, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    Why are people concerned about whether something is natural only if it has something to do with sex? Surely using an alarm clock is not natural. Antibiotics are not natural. Driving a car is not natural. It is perfectly natural to steal something you want but even though that is natural, people object to it.

    This concern about whether something is natural or not makes no sense.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 11, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidWhy are people concerned about whether something is natural only if it has something to do with sex? Surely using an alarm clock is not natural. Antibiotics are not natural. Driving a car is not natural. It is perfectly natural to steal something you want but even though that is natural, people object to it.

    This concern about whether something is natural or not makes no sense.

    They're just trying to counter the constant barrage of homophobes who scream bloody murder that gay people are unnatural. It's the whole, god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve argument that people still try to use in order to justify discriminating against us.
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    Jul 12, 2015 12:13 AM GMT
    Radd saidIt doesn't matter if it's "natural" or not. If we claim to live in a free society, we should be free to live our lives as we please as long as we're not hurting others. Period.


    EXACTLY!

    I don't feel the need to justify my sexuality, orientation, or what I do with my genitals to anyone. I'm not harming anyone.
  • Orland23

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    Jul 12, 2015 7:10 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Radd saidIt doesn't matter if it's "natural" or not. If we claim to live in a free society, we should be free to live our lives as we please as long as we're not hurting others. Period.


    EXACTLY!

    I don't feel the need to justify my sexuality, orientation, or what I do with my genitals to anyone. I'm not harming anyone.


    True and even if someone believes in that homosexuality is wrong from any religious text, America is not governed by religion, we are not a theocracy. We have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 12, 2015 12:47 PM GMT
    Orland23 said
    UndercoverMan said
    Radd saidIt doesn't matter if it's "natural" or not. If we claim to live in a free society, we should be free to live our lives as we please as long as we're not hurting others. Period.


    EXACTLY!

    I don't feel the need to justify my sexuality, orientation, or what I do with my genitals to anyone. I'm not harming anyone.


    True and even if someone believes in that homosexuality is wrong from any religious text, America is not governed by religion, we are not a theocracy. We have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
    The whole problem is that all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs think that the U.S. is a "Christian nation" and that God's so called laws supercede the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Try educating all these flaky fundamentalists on this one, it will be like talking to a thick, concrete wall.
  • jeepguySD

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    Jul 12, 2015 3:20 PM GMT
    ^roadbikeRob raises a valid point. Huckabee, Jindal, Santorum, and other Republican presidential hopefuls either stated outright, or implied, that "God's Law" supersedes the U.S. Constitution and U.S. laws. It seems that they want the U.S. to be a theocracy.

    The points raised by others are also very valid: many anti-gay crusaders state that homosexuality is "unnatural" or otherwise perverted. So, citing examples of same sex coupling in other species provides counter-arguments against claims that being gay is unnatural. We all know we were born gay and did not choose to be gay, just as people do not choose to have any other genetic adaptation. Citing examples that show that being gay is not a choice, helps our cause.
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 12, 2015 3:56 PM GMT
    It is natural because it's genetic. They found the gene and all of us know we didn't order it off the menu.
    There is no question being gay is a matter of biology and it is therefore natural.
    But that's not what the bigots mean. Now, is it?
    These people, the Christians, already have a warped sense of natural.
    As a farm boy I know for a fact that you cannot put a pair of every species on earth on a boat so you can save them from a flood and even if you could, pretty severe inbreeding would ensue.
    Also, after you die, you do not wake up after three days and fly into the sky holding painted eggs.
    I really think they have another definition of "natural" than most of us.

    As far as being gay having an evolutionary purpose, I think it does. I think a stone age family would have a much easier time surviving and springing forth their DNA with a dude who will sit with the kids and cook amazing venison or a butch aunt who can fix roofs and talk to the straight guy about maybe not always using the big mammoth bone club to make the woman have sex with him.
    People as a group thrive on individual differences as well as on being different on an individual level. I'm not just saying that, nobody ever did well for themselves by being really unremarkable. Except maybe politicians.
    Different is good. Different is better.
    So to the hillbillies and -betties who think being "natural" means being a cliché, I say nay.

    I believe the gay gene is beneficial to human survival. It makes sense to me.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 12, 2015 7:36 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Orland23 said
    UndercoverMan said
    Radd saidIt doesn't matter if it's "natural" or not. If we claim to live in a free society, we should be free to live our lives as we please as long as we're not hurting others. Period.


    EXACTLY!

    I don't feel the need to justify my sexuality, orientation, or what I do with my genitals to anyone. I'm not harming anyone.


    True and even if someone believes in that homosexuality is wrong from any religious text, America is not governed by religion, we are not a theocracy. We have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
    The whole problem is that all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs think that the U.S. is a "Christian nation" and that God's so called laws supercede the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Try educating all these flaky fundamentalists on this one, it will be like talking to a thick, concrete wall.


    From the Treaty of Tripoli:

    "ARTICLE 11.

    "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

    Here is the link:
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

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    Jul 12, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    Interesting ... but in my self-appointed role as the nagging voice of logic I am forced to point out that "natural" doesn't necessarily mean adaptive or healthy. Just sayin' as the kids say today. icon_smile.gif
  • FRE0

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    Jul 13, 2015 5:10 AM GMT
    swimmer_sf saidInteresting ... but in my self-appointed role as the nagging voice of logic I am forced to point out that "natural" doesn't necessarily mean adaptive or healthy. Just sayin' as the kids say today. icon_smile.gif


    Doesn't natural always mean healthy? It's only natural to steal what you want, so it must be healthy. Poison ivy is natural, so it must be healthful. On the other hand, being vaccinated for polio is unnatural, so it must be unhealthful.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 13, 2015 2:22 PM GMT
    swimmer_sf saidInteresting ... but in my self-appointed role as the nagging voice of logic I am forced to point out that "natural" doesn't necessarily mean adaptive or healthy. Just sayin' as the kids say today. icon_smile.gif

    The homophobes have evolved from saying it's unnatural, to saying it's unhealthy.
  • davfit

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    Jul 13, 2015 2:46 PM GMT
    You can't change The stupid... who think an opinion ..is a Fact ...if you gave this information ,they would just say" I don't believe that"...therefore, in their mind, it isn't true..
  • FRE0

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    Jul 13, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    swimmer_sf saidInteresting ... but in my self-appointed role as the nagging voice of logic I am forced to point out that "natural" doesn't necessarily mean adaptive or healthy. Just sayin' as the kids say today. icon_smile.gif

    The homophobes have evolved from saying it's unnatural, to saying it's unhealthy.


    Many have also given up on using the story of the destruction of Sodom to support their viewpoint since a careful reading of the story shows quite clearly that it has nothing to do with voluntary sexual behavior. Also, all the OT references to Sodom condemn Sodom for reasons having nothing to do with sex. They are having more and more difficulty finding support for their viewpoint.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 13, 2015 5:45 PM GMT
    davfit saidYou can't change The stupid... who think an opinion ..is a Fact ...if you gave this information ,they would just say" I don't believe that"...therefore, in their mind, it isn't true..


    They think that truth is determined by, and can be changed by, endless repetition. If one stated with sufficient frequency that the moon is made of green cheese, some people would believe it. Others would think that they could change the composition of the moon by repeating over and over that it is made of green cheese.

    The only reason that the Citizens United decision is a problem is that how people vote is heavily influenced by endless repetition more than by careful consideration of the facts. Thus, if a candidate repeated his message often enough, people will believe it and having sufficient campaign funds enables candidates to do that.

    If people thought logically, then repetition would have no effect.
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    Jul 19, 2015 8:03 PM GMT
    humans will continue breeding till the population becomes unstable and destructively folds back on it self.

    Governments will pass laws to enable this.

    Religions will do a baptism on every new born to claim it as their own