Hillary goes after Uber

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    Jul 14, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    No more needs to be said. She probably would have criticized Henry Ford for coming up with an economic horseless carriage too. Amazing.

    It is a supreme irony of modern American life that the political movement that terms itself “progressive” is, in the economic realm at least, increasingly passionate about the status quo.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421116/hillary-clinton-uber-speech-statist-economics
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    Jul 14, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
    Uber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha
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    Jul 14, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.
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    Jul 15, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    What rules are you talking about?
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    Jul 16, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
    Erik101 said
    MrFuscle said
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    What rules are you talking about?


    Competition only works to drive innovation when everyone plays the same game. Uber has gotten around the rules by effectively disbanded cab service, turning it into a part-time (afterwork) job for the middle class, from what once was a low-skill full time job for the poor.

    They are making it such that to enter the taxi field, you need to have a college degree (or some other source of income) to be able to afford a car. That's not innovation. That's not job creation. That's the opposite. The same people who cheer Uber and Lyft, are the same ones that yell at the poor to stop being lazy, giving no consideration to where their jobs may have vanished.

    Uber is a serious problem, and until job competition is made ruly again (likely with reforms to BOTH the cab and the car sharing systems) we will continue to send income once going to poor communities who desperately need unskilled work, into the middle class, who don't need it.
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    Jul 16, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    DCEric said
    Erik101 said
    MrFuscle said
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    What rules are you talking about?


    Competition only works to drive innovation when everyone plays the same game. Uber has gotten around the rules by effectively disbanded cab service, turning it into a part-time (afterwork) job for the middle class, from what once was a low-skill full time job for the poor.

    They are making it such that to enter the taxi field, you need to have a college degree (or some other source of income) to be able to afford a car. That's not innovation. That's not job creation. That's the opposite. The same people who cheer Uber and Lyft, are the same ones that yell at the poor to stop being lazy, giving no consideration to where their jobs may have vanished.

    Uber is a serious problem, and until job competition is made ruly again (likely with reforms to BOTH the cab and the car sharing systems) we will continue to send income once going to poor communities who desperately need unskilled work, into the middle class, who don't need it.
    The middle class didn't become middle class by driving cabs. Many got there by being raised poor and finding a way out, usually through education (I'm one of those).

    Cab companies are notorious for being overpriced and having drivers with shitty attitudes. Uber is becoming recognized for being spontaneously priced - subject to certain variables - and having drivers with good attitudes.

    I personally have not used Uber, but I do know some guys who have; and I also know some guys who have successfully signed up as drivers for Uber. They all have one thing in common: A positive attitude toward life.

    But that's just my experience. Take or leave it as you wish. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 16, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
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    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    I agree with this, and happily there is litigation under way to put a stop to it. A commissioner of the California Labor Commission recently ruled that an Uber driver is an employee and not an independent contractor, which if eventually upheld in the courts would go a long way to making things more just.
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    Jul 16, 2015 2:08 AM GMT
    This just in: Uber fined $7.3 million:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33546353.
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    Jul 16, 2015 2:14 AM GMT
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    MrFuscle said
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    I agree with this, and happily there is litigation under way to put a stop to it. A commissioner of the California Labor Commission recently ruled that an Uber driver is an employee and not an independent contractor, which if eventually upheld in the courts would go a long way to making things more just.
    The latest person I know who's about to sign up his new limo-van on Uber has been an independent contractor all his life, and he's now 58 years old. I'd like to think he knows how to be an independent contractor by now.

    Of course Uber doesn't play by the rules, because the rules take money out of contractors' pockets...which they work really fucking hard to get (try doing the 1099 thing for a while and you'll see for yourself).

    All Billary is doing is fucking people out of money if she goes after Uber. Cab companies are cruel and unjust. Uber is moderately fair, but sometimes not. Billary is trying to close the gap by making everyone unfair, and I don't like that.
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    Jul 16, 2015 2:30 AM GMT
    Unless one does not have an innate ability to accept low and sporadic pay, be social and have a 13 foot personality (which I actually do, even if never apparent online...), be willing to compete with thousands of other drivers to what amounts to as a 2.40 dollar fare at times (or what come's down to less than a dollar if your state has refinery issues like ours), and deal with the kind of things bartenders don't even have to deal with, and about hundreds of our things, I do not recommend that anyone becomes an Uber or Lyft driver. If one wants to see how "fit" one is at surviving in a "survival of the fittest" kind of atmosphere, by all means become an Uber driver!

    An experienced Uber and Lyft driver with over 1600 rides in total.
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    Jul 16, 2015 3:58 AM GMT
    Unnamed6 saidUnless one does not have an innate ability to accept low and sporadic pay, be social and have a 13 foot personality (which I actually do, even if never apparent online...), be willing to compete with thousands of other drivers to what amounts to as a 2.40 dollar fare at times (or what come's down to less than a dollar if your state has refinery issues like ours), and deal with the kind of things bartenders don't even have to deal with, and about hundreds of our things, I do not recommend that anyone becomes an Uber or Lyft driver. If one wants to see how "fit" one is at surviving in a "survival of the fittest" kind of atmosphere, by all means become an Uber driver!

    An experienced Uber and Lyft driver with over 1600 rides in total.
    If you're an independent contractor and expecting to be self-sufficient with one contract, make sure it's a good one.

    Most IC's survive by taking several contracts, usually associated with one LLC or Sub (X) corporation (X being whichever type of corporation you wish to establish).

    I would say more, but as a self-sufficient IC, I'd rather keep my best knowledge to myself. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 16, 2015 4:56 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    DCEric said
    Erik101 said
    MrFuscle said
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    What rules are you talking about?


    Competition only works to drive innovation when everyone plays the same game. Uber has gotten around the rules by effectively disbanded cab service, turning it into a part-time (afterwork) job for the middle class, from what once was a low-skill full time job for the poor.

    They are making it such that to enter the taxi field, you need to have a college degree (or some other source of income) to be able to afford a car. That's not innovation. That's not job creation. That's the opposite. The same people who cheer Uber and Lyft, are the same ones that yell at the poor to stop being lazy, giving no consideration to where their jobs may have vanished.

    Uber is a serious problem, and until job competition is made ruly again (likely with reforms to BOTH the cab and the car sharing systems) we will continue to send income once going to poor communities who desperately need unskilled work, into the middle class, who don't need it.
    The middle class didn't become middle class by driving cabs. Many got there by being raised poor and finding a way out, usually through education (I'm one of those).

    Cab companies are notorious for being overpriced and having drivers with shitty attitudes. Uber is becoming recognized for being spontaneously priced - subject to certain variables - and having drivers with good attitudes.

    I personally have not used Uber, but I do know some guys who have; and I also know some guys who have successfully signed up as drivers for Uber. They all have one thing in common: A positive attitude toward life.

    But that's just my experience. Take or leave it as you wish. icon_wink.gif


    Dang Paul, you beat me to it!
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    Jul 16, 2015 1:39 PM GMT
    I don't disagree, but Uber and Lyft are not bringing about such reforms. Instead they are accelerating the processes already in motion.

    paulflexes said
    DCEric said
    Erik101 said
    MrFuscle said
    neffa saidUber has been critised all over Europe , and also in the U.S as well as in Australia ..
    Competition is always good for customers , but it have been proved many times that Uber isn't as good as it seems .
    As one of my mate in the U.S told me (after using them for a while ) , Uber only is a glorified Yellow cab ...icon_smile.gif

    Now when it comes to politicians , they only see what is good for them ...hahaha


    The problem with uber is that refuse to play by the rules of cab companies. I disagree with those rules and support disruption of the cab industry bu uber is not playing fair.


    What rules are you talking about?


    Competition only works to drive innovation when everyone plays the same game. Uber has gotten around the rules by effectively disbanded cab service, turning it into a part-time (afterwork) job for the middle class, from what once was a low-skill full time job for the poor.

    They are making it such that to enter the taxi field, you need to have a college degree (or some other source of income) to be able to afford a car. That's not innovation. That's not job creation. That's the opposite. The same people who cheer Uber and Lyft, are the same ones that yell at the poor to stop being lazy, giving no consideration to where their jobs may have vanished.

    Uber is a serious problem, and until job competition is made ruly again (likely with reforms to BOTH the cab and the car sharing systems) we will continue to send income once going to poor communities who desperately need unskilled work, into the middle class, who don't need it.
    The middle class didn't become middle class by driving cabs. Many got there by being raised poor and finding a way out, usually through education (I'm one of those).

    Cab companies are notorious for being overpriced and having drivers with shitty attitudes. Uber is becoming recognized for being spontaneously priced - subject to certain variables - and having drivers with good attitudes.

    I personally have not used Uber, but I do know some guys who have; and I also know some guys who have successfully signed up as drivers for Uber. They all have one thing in common: A positive attitude toward life.

    But that's just my experience. Take or leave it as you wish. icon_wink.gif