Let's Set the Record Straight About Democratic US Sen Nelson and the LGBT Vote

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    Jul 15, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
    Some of the lying Right Wing plants we have here are trying to make a big deal about Democratic US Senator Bill Nelson from Florida not voting for the LGBT bullying act that was defeated by Republicans in the Senate.

    Bill Nelson is home recuperating from cancer surgery. He couldn't make it to Washington and he cast no vote. Nor would his vote have made any difference. I trust we'll hear an apology regarding these false claims.
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    Jul 15, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
    Classic campaign of lies by conservatives.
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    Jul 16, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI trust we'll hear an apology regarding these false claims.


    They weren't false claims. They were "questions" as to why Bill Nelson couldn't vote. You know, how the chyrons on Fox News ask "questions" like, Is Jade Helm the Fed's Attempt to Take Our Guns? Is Hillary Brain-Damaged?
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    Jul 17, 2015 3:56 AM GMT
    Nelson opposed same-sex marriage until April 2013. He supports Syria and antigay Pakistan. He voted against a bill providing for criminal penalties for anyone harming an unborn child during the commission of a crime. He also supports Planned Parenthood which sells body parts from aborted babies.

    As a good Democrat who is nearly 73, he should consider the liberal architect of obamacare's advice:

    An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly by age 75.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/09/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/
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    Jul 17, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    As a good Democrat who is nearly 73, he should consider the liberal architect of obamacare's advice:

    An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly by age 75.

    Please tell us where Obama or Obamacare (ACA) advised that everyone should die "swiftly and promptly by age 75." I'd like to see the citation on that.

    As to what Senator Nelson actually said, in the very link you provided:

    "Seventy-five years is all I want to live. I want to celebrate my life while I am still in my prime. My daughters and dear friends will continue to try to convince me that I am wrong and can live a valuable life much longer. And I retain the right to change my mind and offer a vigorous and reasoned defense of living as long as possible. That, after all, would mean still being creative after 75."

    His own personal choice, that Nelson proposes to enforce on no one else. Which means you are just giving us anti-Democratic BS. Not the first time, is it?
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    Jul 17, 2015 4:38 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    mx5guynj said
    As a good Democrat who is nearly 73, he should consider the liberal architect of obamacare's advice:

    An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly by age 75.

    Please tell us where Obama or Obamacare (ACA) advised that everyone should die "swiftly and promptly by age 75." I'd like to see the citation on that.

    As to what Senator Nelson actually said, in the very link you provided:

    "Seventy-five years is all I want to live. I want to celebrate my life while I am still in my prime. My daughters and dear friends will continue to try to convince me that I am wrong and can live a valuable life much longer. And I retain the right to change my mind and offer a vigorous and reasoned defense of living as long as possible. That, after all, would mean still being creative after 75."

    His own personal choice, that Nelson proposes to enforce on no one else. Which means you are just giving us anti-Democratic BS. Not the first time, is it?


    That was a quote from Ezekiel J. Emanuel, not Sen Ben Nelson.
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    Jul 17, 2015 4:54 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    That was a quote from Ezekiel J. Emanuel, not Sen Ben Nelson.

    Well, then Nelson quoted him. Because I pasted it directly from the linked article that mx5guynj provided to us. And it gave no citation to Emanuel.

    I wonder if that means other parts of the link are bogus?

    BTW, nice research.
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    Jul 17, 2015 4:58 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    That was a quote from Ezekiel J. Emanuel, not Sen Ben Nelson.

    Well, then Nelson quoted him. Because I pasted it directly from the linked article that mx5guynj provided to us. And it gave no citation to Emanuel.

    I wonder if that means other parts of the link are bogus?

    BTW, nice research.


    Reread mx5guynj's post

    Front page of the article. It had nothing to do with Ben Nelson.

    It was written by Emanuel

    "Why I Hope to Die at 75

    An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly"

    Ezekiel J. Emanuel

    Photos by Jake Chessum
    OCTOBER 2014 ISSUE"
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    Jul 17, 2015 5:14 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    That was a quote from Ezekiel J. Emanuel, not Sen Ben Nelson.

    Well, then Nelson quoted him. Because I pasted it directly from the linked article that mx5guynj provided to us. And it gave no citation to Emanuel.

    I wonder if that means other parts of the link are bogus?

    BTW, nice research.


    Reread mx5guynj's post

    Front page of the article. It had nothing to do with Ben Nelson.

    It was written by Emanuel

    "Why I Hope to Die at 75

    An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly"

    Ezekiel J. Emanuel

    Photos by Jake Chessum
    OCTOBER 2014 ISSUE"

    Well, then I'm confused. I took mx5guynj at his word, when he implied this was related to Senator Nelson. But even then, the quote I posted above from Emanuel did not state people should die at 75. He said HE would die at 75, but might consider living longer.

    What does that have to do with Obamacare? I ask again, as I did above, is dying at 75 a required part of the ACA?
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    Jul 17, 2015 5:29 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    That was a quote from Ezekiel J. Emanuel, not Sen Ben Nelson.

    Well, then Nelson quoted him. Because I pasted it directly from the linked article that mx5guynj provided to us. And it gave no citation to Emanuel.

    I wonder if that means other parts of the link are bogus?

    BTW, nice research.


    Reread mx5guynj's post

    Front page of the article. It had nothing to do with Ben Nelson.

    It was written by Emanuel

    "Why I Hope to Die at 75

    An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly"

    Ezekiel J. Emanuel

    Photos by Jake Chessum
    OCTOBER 2014 ISSUE"

    Well, then I'm confused. I took mx5guynj at his word, when he implied this was related to Senator Nelson. But even then, the quote I posted above from Emanuel did not state people should die at 75. He said HE would die at 75, but might consider living longer.

    What does that have to do with Obamacare? I ask again, as I did above, is dying at 75 a required part of the ACA?


    It was an analogy Miata was making.

    The key was this line

    "As a good Democrat who is nearly 73, he should consider the liberal architect of obamacare's advice:"

    And that's Emanuel.
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    Jul 17, 2015 5:45 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    It was an analogy Miata was making.

    The key was this line

    "As a good Democrat who is nearly 73, he should consider the liberal architect of obamacare's advice:"

    And that's Emanuel.

    I'm still missing it. Where in Obamacare (ACA) is it required or implied, that people should die at 75? I don't care what this Senator's personal attitude it, where does this requirement or expectation exist in the ACA? That Obama should be blamed?
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    Jul 17, 2015 5:54 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    It was an analogy Miata was making.

    The key was this line

    "As a good Democrat who is nearly 73, he should consider the liberal architect of obamacare's advice:"

    And that's Emanuel.

    I'm still missing it. Where in Obamacare (ACA) is it required or implied, that people should die at 75? I don't care what this Senator's personal attitude it, where does this requirement or expectation exist in the ACA? That Obama should be blamed?


    I don't quite know how to explain it. It's quite clear to me.

    Miata is saying that since Bill Nelson is already 73, he should consider Emanuel's (major architect of ACA) thoughts on reaching age 75 and put himself out to pasture.