Hillary's amazing shrinking lead: Democrats/leaners evenly divided on whether Hillary should be the nominee.

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    Jul 16, 2015 7:19 PM GMT
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    The Democrats’ “inevitable” nominee, Hillary Clinton, is watching her polling lead evaporate at an alarming rate. Nick Gass of Politico writes:

    Hillary Clinton is still leading the Democratic field for 2016, but her lead has shrunk in recent months, according to a Monmouth University poll out Wednesday, as independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders continues to make steady gains, despite trailing by a wide margin.

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    Update from AP:

    Just 39 percent of all Americans have a favorable view of Clinton, compared to nearly half who say they have a negative opinion of her. That's an eight-point increase in her unfavorable rating from an AP-GfK poll conducted at the end of April.

    The drop in Clinton's numbers extends into the Democratic Party. Seven in 10 Democrats gave Clinton positive marks, an 11-point drop from the April survey. Nearly a quarter of Democrats now say they see Clinton in an unfavorable light.

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    To be sure, her support is far, far higher among Dems than support among Republicans for any member of that crowded field. [But she has been campaigning far longer; Republican support divided among many more candidates than Democratic support.] But she wears the mantle in inevitability, and yet it is clear that she does not wear it well with many members of her party. Even the MSNBC auxiliary can’t restrain themselves from laughing at her robotic answers yesterday to questions about Iran, as Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit noted.

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    Bernie Sanders actually had more donors (284,000)! The Democrats are now in very tricky territory, with a highly flawed leading candidate on their hands, one given to vengeance and able to raise large amounts of money, and seen as a champion of a vital constituency. So the stakes for Biden, seen as the leading establishment figure able to challenge her, are very high. The amount of pressure on him will reflect the degree of concern over Hillary’s startling incompetence as a candidate.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/hillarys_amazing_shrinking_lead.html
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 16, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
    Hillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.
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    Jul 16, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidHillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.

    Is that you or your weed speaking? Many of you said the same thing about control of the House, then the Senate. Most people know the worth of smug predictions.
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    Jul 16, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
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    To be sure, her support is far, far higher among Dems than support among Republicans for any member of that crowded field.


    And, unlike (the tied) Bush and Trump, Clinton and Sanders are still a long way from polling neck-and-neck.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 16, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HottJoe saidHillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.

    Is that you or your weed speaking? Many of you said the same thing about control of the House, then the Senate. Most people know the worth of smug predictions.

    It's the weed speaking, obviously. I dare not sober up, or I'll turn into Bobby Jindal and become a theocratic Christian homophobe.icon_cry.gif
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 16, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidHillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.


    On another thread I said you do nothing but spout the mantra of meaningless talking points approved by the Democratic People Central Planning Committee.... and here we have another great example of it.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 16, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    HottJoe saidHillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.


    On another thread I said you do nothing but spout the mantra of meaningless talking points approved by the Democratic People Central Planning Committee.... and here we have another great example of it.

    Why do you repeat yourself from thread to thread? Maybe you should get back to us when you come up with some new material?icon_confused.gif
  • tj85016

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    Jul 16, 2015 11:29 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    HottJoe saidHillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.


    On another thread I said you do nothing but spout the mantra of meaningless talking points approved by the Democratic People Central Planning Committee.... and here we have another great example of it.


    talking points? you mean like the mindless drivel Bush manages to spout out occasionally?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 16, 2015 11:34 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidHillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.
    She is being given a run for her money because she is the least qualified of the candidates and many people are waking up and seeing the "real Hillary" which is the lying, deceiving, self aggrandizement seeking whore who doesn't give a rats ass about the American people. The more Bernie Sanders campaigns and reaches out to the American people, the more Hillary's early lead steadily erodes. At this rate, Sanders is going to overtake the hapless Hillary ho and leave her in the dust.
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    Jul 17, 2015 1:30 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidMore:

    Even the number of voters saying Clinton is at least somewhat decisive, previously a strong point for the former New York senator, fell from 56 percent in April to 47 percent in the new poll.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150716/us-dem-2016-clinton-poll-bf705a485e.html


    Though I still believe it is Hillary's election to lose, given the current ignorant and morally corrupt state of a large chunk of the electorate.

    Really hard to say at this point. Depends a lot on the Republican candidate.

    Also, some analysts believe the shooting of the Marines ("workplace violence") will further emphasize national security and international relations, which can be a weakness for Hillary if the Republicans frame it correctly. If enough moderates avoid her, the blind loyalty from the extremists, such as those who populate this site, will be offset.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 17, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
    Why are conservatives even discussing this?
    Thanks to their dream candidate, Donald Trump, the election is in the bag for them!
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    Jul 17, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HottJoe said
    Hillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.

    Is that you or your weed speaking? Many of you said the same thing about control of the House, then the Senate. Most people know the worth of smug predictions.

    Like you Right Wingers were making about Romney's certain victory over Obama in 2012? And those pre-election poll numbers your buddy southbeach1500 was claiming, showing Romney with upwards of double-digit leads - OMG!

    It made one wonder why it was worth the time to even vote, since the election was effectively over. And that was the point, wasn't it? A psychological tactic to demoralize Obama supporters here from bothering to vote. And now you Righties are starting it again with Hillary. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 17, 2015 2:30 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    HottJoe said
    Hillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.

    Is that you or your weed speaking? Many of you said the same thing about control of the House, then the Senate. Most people know the worth of smug predictions.

    Like you Right Wingers were making about Romney's certain victory over Obama in 2012? And those pre-election poll numbers your buddy southbeach1500 was claiming, showing Romney with upwards of double-digit leads - OMG!

    It made one wonder why it was worth the time to even vote, since the election was effectively over. And that was the point, wasn't it? A psychological tactic to demoralize Obama supporters here from bothering to vote. And now you Righties are starting it again with Hillary. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I don't recall Southbeach1500 making those claims. I certainly did not. Just for the record, when Karl Rove predicted a Romney win, he said that assumed a voter turn-out similar to 2010. He said if the turn-out was similar to 2008, then Obama would win. He said voter turn-out is extremely difficult to predict.

    I don't know if you deliberately lie in the tradition of Obama and Clinton, or if your mental faculties have deteriorated leading to loss of memory.
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    Jul 17, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidWhy are conservatives even discussing this?
    Thanks to their dream candidate, Donald Trump, the election is in the bag for them!


    It's a bit too early for that call. It won't be Trump. Walker is more likely. Former governors seem to be the best fit- unlike community organizers.
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    Jul 17, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    I don't recall Southbeach1500 making those claims. I certainly did not. Just for the record, when Karl Rove predicted a Romney win, he said that assumed a voter turn-out similar to 2010. He said if the turn-out was similar to 2008, then Obama would win. He said voter turn-out is extremely difficult to predict.

    I don't know if you deliberately lie in the tradition of Obama and Clinton, or if your mental faculties have deteriorated leading to loss of memory.

    Of course you don't remember them - typical Right Wing revisionist memory. I suppose you also don't remember Karl Rove, whom you cite, becoming positively apoplectic and sputtering on the air as the 2012 election results were coming in, which were NOT what he predicted for Romney, as you claim. His response became a national joke the next day. He was as certain Romney would win big as were you Righties here on RJ.

    And other truthful guys here will remember that. Truthful, or I guess they're all as "deteriorated" as I am. LOL!
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    Jul 17, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    I don't recall Southbeach1500 making those claims. I certainly did not. Just for the record, when Karl Rove predicted a Romney win, he said that assumed a voter turn-out similar to 2010. He said if the turn-out was similar to 2008, then Obama would win. He said voter turn-out is extremely difficult to predict.

    I don't know if you deliberately lie in the tradition of Obama and Clinton, or if your mental faculties have deteriorated leading to loss of memory.

    Of course you don't remember them - typical Right Wing revisionist memory. I suppose you also don't remember Karl Rove, whom you cite, becoming positively apoplectic and sputtering on the air as the 2012 election results were coming in, which were NOT what he predicted for Romney, as you claim. His response became a national joke the next day. He was as certain Romney would win big as were you Righties here on RJ.

    And other truthful guys here will remember that. Truthful, or I guess they're all as "deteriorated" as I am. LOL!

    There's a subtlety here that may be a bit too abstract, but when Rove predicted Romney's win, he stated that prediction assumed a particular voter turn-out model, which ultimately did not happen. As I said, he stated before the election, voter turn-out was very difficult to predict because the likely voters, previously registered voters, could be less important than the ground-game of turning out voters.

    I do agree with your point about the general "deteriorated" state of many of RJ's extreme lefties. A few are intelligent and logical, but choose to cherry-pick facts to lead to erroneous conclusions. Most are "deteriorated", some on drugs including alcohol, others simply naive believing whatever they are told, and still others are delusional. To be fair, these same lack of qualities occur with the far right extremists, but they occupy other sites, not RJ.
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    Jul 17, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Art_Deco said
    socalfitness said
    HottJoe said
    Hillary is being given a run for her money, but whoever the democrats nominate will be the next POTUS. Republicans have no path to victory.

    Is that you or your weed speaking? Many of you said the same thing about control of the House, then the Senate. Most people know the worth of smug predictions.

    Like you Right Wingers were making about Romney's certain victory over Obama in 2012? And those pre-election poll numbers your buddy southbeach1500 was claiming, showing Romney with upwards of double-digit leads - OMG!

    It made one wonder why it was worth the time to even vote, since the election was effectively over. And that was the point, wasn't it? A psychological tactic to demoralize Obama supporters here from bothering to vote. And now you Righties are starting it again with Hillary. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I don't recall Southbeach1500 making those claims. I certainly did not. Just for the record, when Karl Rove predicted a Romney win, he said that assumed a voter turn-out similar to 2010. He said if the turn-out was similar to 2008, then Obama would win. He said voter turn-out is extremely difficult to predict.

    I don't know if you deliberately lie in the tradition of Obama and Clinton, or if your mental faculties have deteriorated leading to loss of memory.


    "I don't recall Southbeach1500 making those claims. I certainly did not"

    And except for one post just before the hurricane, I consistently predicted Romney would lose.

    Karla Rove isn't on RJ to the best of my knowledge, so who made the claims that Romney was going to blow Obama out?
  • mybud

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    Jul 17, 2015 5:28 PM GMT
    It's good for Clinton to have challenges early on to refine her message. I feel she'll be the democratic nominee when it all things shake out.
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    Jul 17, 2015 6:11 PM GMT
    According to a campaign adviser, Hillary's against Glass-Stegall.

    This could easily come back to haunt her and underlines her ties to Wall Street that she has been trying to hide.

    I think that more revelations about Hillary's positions, the debates, and any future interviews will lead to her poll numbers sinking even further.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 17, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidMore:

    Even the number of voters saying Clinton is at least somewhat decisive, previously a strong point for the former New York senator, fell from 56 percent in April to 47 percent in the new poll.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150716/us-dem-2016-clinton-poll-bf705a485e.html


    Though I still believe it is Hillary's election to lose, given the current ignorant and morally corrupt state of a large chunk of the electorate.
    No it is not her election to lose. Where are you getting all this horseshit about a morally corrupt electorate. That is a false generalization. Put a lid on it.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 18, 2015 1:10 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    roadbikeRob said
    southbeach1500 saidMore:

    Even the number of voters saying Clinton is at least somewhat decisive, previously a strong point for the former New York senator, fell from 56 percent in April to 47 percent in the new poll.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150716/us-dem-2016-clinton-poll-bf705a485e.html


    Though I still believe it is Hillary's election to lose, given the current ignorant and morally corrupt state of a large chunk of the electorate.
    No it is not her election to lose. Where are you getting all this horseshit about a morally corrupt electorate. That is a false generalization. Put a lid on it.


    You've got to look at the electoral college and which states have a huge amount of electoral votes. They're blue states, not red.
    Arizona, Texas, Georgia, and Florida are predominately red republican states. Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Colorado are purple swing states that are very hard to predict an outcome. So therefore the majority of the electorate is not confined to blue democratic states.